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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

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Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 13, 2016, 08:42:40 PM
Trump trump trump.

You're really going to like this, Forever 21:

Every.  Single.  Poll.

By huge, fat margins.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: Designx on February 13, 2016, 08:46:20 PM
You don't blame GW Bush for 9/11 and win the Republican nomination. I think he just killed his chances.
I wish a good investigative reporter would find out what caused the deeply bad blood between Trump and Jeb Bush.  Trump's rabid hatred for Jeb is palpable and his most outrageous stuff is directed at him.  Last night he was completely off the rails over Bush. Babbling. Incoherent.  I think it was his worst debate yet by far. The honey badger stumbled.

But he makes a strong point that 9/11 was absolutely Bush's failure.  He was warned repeatedly and did fuck all. He was fixated on revenge against Saddam Hussein for his plot to get Poppy.  If it had happened under a Dem, the SOB would be in a dungeon being waterboarded three times a day.

Jackstar

Quote from: VtaGeezer on February 14, 2016, 10:39:42 AM
But he makes a strong point that 9/11 was absolutely Bush's failure.



"divested Oct 26 2001"

Zoo

Trump squashes all comers. The fact that they are so scared of him shows how strong he is. Love it when he told mommys boy Jeb his Mom should of been the one running because she was stronger than he was. That made my fucking weekend!!1

136 or 142

Quote from: VtaGeezer on February 14, 2016, 10:39:42 AM
I wish a good investigative reporter would find out what caused the deeply bad blood between Trump and Jeb Bush.  Trump's rabid hatred for Jeb is palpable and his most outrageous stuff is directed at him.  Last night he was completely off the rails over Bush. Babbling. Incoherent.  I think it was his worst debate yet by far. The honey badger stumbled.

But he makes a strong point that 9/11 was absolutely Bush's failure.  He was warned repeatedly and did fuck all. He was fixated on revenge against Saddam Hussein for his plot to get Poppy.  If it had happened under a Dem, the SOB would be in a dungeon being waterboarded three times a day.

I don't think Trump lies about everything.  For instance, when he said "I never attack, I'm just a counter puncher" the evidence suggested he was telling the truth.  So, when Donald Trump was asked about this he said something like "Jeb Bush alone of all the candidates (and the PACs supporting Bush) is running $40 million in ads against me, I'm going to hit back hard.  There is no way that I would leave an attack unchallenged and I'm going to hit the hardest against the person who is attacking me the most."

I don't see any reason why we shouldn't mostly shouldn't believe Trump on this.  I think part of it likely is also that Trump's supporters almost certainly dislike Jeb Bush the most of all the remaining candidates and the one thing we've seen the most is that Trump really wants to express the feelings of his supporters.

Quote from: Zoo on February 14, 2016, 08:54:52 PM
Trump squashes all comers. The fact that they are so scared of him shows how strong he is. Love it when he told mommys boy Jeb his Mom should of been the one running because she was stronger than he was. That made my fucking weekend!!1

I adore Barbara! She's a handsome woman as well. Jeb? No...

Trump! Trump! Trump!

Zoo

Quote from: 136 or 142 on February 15, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
I don't think Trump lies about everything.  For instance, when he said "I never attack, I'm just a counter puncher" the evidence suggested he was telling the truth.  So, when Donald Trump was asked about this he said something like "Jeb Bush alone of all the candidates (and the PACs supporting Bush) is running $40 million in ads against me, I'm going to hit back hard.  There is no way that I would leave an attack unchallenged and I'm going to hit the hardest against the person who is attacking me the most."

I don't see any reason why we shouldn't mostly shouldn't believe Trump on this.  I think part of it likely is also that Trump's supporters almost certainly dislike Jeb Bush the most of all the remaining candidates and the one thing we've seen the most is that Trump really wants to express the feelings of his supporters.

Nobody cares what he says or does. Why? Because he is not a politician and for Trumps supporters that is all that matters. Shit, I like Bernie Sanders but if he does not win my vote goes to Trump!!1

Quote from: rekcuf on February 15, 2016, 01:57:09 PM
I adore Barbara! She's a handsome woman as well. Jeb? No...

Trump! Trump! Trump!

If the Bern does not happen then I will Trump the hell out of this election!!1

Lt.Uhura


From fb~

As the campaign season continues I am starting to think
Trump is looking better and better to me. Nothing on the left is close to interesting to me, on the right Trump from my point of view is the guy.

Art


Ok Art.  Whatever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NMK88czOug

I'd really like to know Trumps position on a lot of things. In particular Syria besides making a safe zone in Syria. Does that mean it's a no fly zone for the Russians? I want to support Trump but the details of his positions are a bit dodgy.

Quote from: nooryisawesome on February 17, 2016, 06:30:59 AM
I'd really like to know Trumps position on a lot of things. In particular Syria besides making a safe zone in Syria. Does that mean it's a no fly zone for the Russians? I want to support Trump but the details of his positions are a bit dodgy.
Well, he thinks W. is responsible for 9/11. Thinks he should have been able to stop it. Trump even says that if he were President at the time, it would never have happened because his immigration policies would have prevented it.

Lena

Quote from: nooryisawesome on February 17, 2016, 06:30:59 AM
I'd really like to know Trumps position on a lot of things. In particular Syria besides making a safe zone in Syria. Does that mean it's a no fly zone for the Russians? I want to support Trump but the details of his positions are a bit dodgy.
The Terrorists loosing. Turkey wants "Safe Zone" to protect Terrorist fighters.
Turkey, Saudi-Arabia, and Israel want a piece of Syria, like Germany and Rossiya took Poland.

albrecht

Quote from: nooryisawesome on February 17, 2016, 06:30:59 AM
I want to support Trump but the details of his positions are a bit dodgy.
That his brilliant strategy. He has taken the usual "no answer answer, no specifics jingoism" and lots of sounds, graphics, and bells and whistles used by politicians, "news" channels, and Hollywood and taken it to the next level and using it against them. And the media and Parties can't stand it. It is hilarious.

Trump is now a lock. Thank-you, Obama.

onan

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 17, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
Trump is now a lock. Thank-you, Obama.

I get that you don't like Obama, you certainly aren't alone with that dislike. However, the Republicans didn't have a very deep bench or they were oblivious to the majority of the constituency. Look, I'm a liberal, Bernie is too conservative for me. I am not a fan of Hillary, but she will most likely be the next president. And she is not well liked, but for whatever you think of the reasons why she will most likely be the next president, your side did a poor job at reaching those voters.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: onan on February 17, 2016, 11:40:33 AM
I get that you don't like Obama, you certainly aren't alone with that dislike. However, the Republicans didn't have a very deep bench or they were oblivious to the majority of the constituency. Look, I'm a liberal, Bernie is too conservative for me. I am not a fan of Hillary, but she will most likely be the next president. And she is not well liked, but for whatever you think of the reasons why she will most likely be the next president, your side did a poor job at reaching those voters.

I'll respectfully take the opposite view. I think Donald Trump is the next president. Why? Because he seems to have invented a way to win. Given that he's not staying within the lines as far as political tactics, it seems that neither Sanders nor Clinton are prepared to meet him on his level in front of the public. Trump will hang those candidates with their own decorum rules and paint himself as the "relevant" candidate. I can already see it coming with Trump openly cussing during rallies now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8

That's a problem. Hillary and Bernie can't credibly do that, which means they don't speak like most Americans do. They aren't you and I, it would look ridiculous and stiff if either dropped the F bomb, not so with Trump, he broke down that wall long ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furGXfTJf4o

You can tell that the liberal pundits are worried about this as they've been attacking him for cussing even though they should, in principle, have no problem with such a thing. Trump knows how to manipulate the pop culture and they know it and it would be a mistake to underestimate the power the pop culture has. Look at what it did for Ronald Reagan. His ability to speak and act made him into a Teflon president and damned nearly a god after his death among conservatives even though he wasn't really all that conservative ideologically and was a former Democrat. Donald Trump has so far proven to also be made out of Teflon.

Worse, he'll do what all other Republicans have woefully failed to do: actually attack Hillary Clinton and her past. I have no idea why, but for the last two decades the Republicans have treated her with kid gloves. Trump will not. Incidences like Benghazi and the deleted files will be the bulk of what he talks about and puts out in the media. Hillary has SOOOOO much negativity in her past that he's simply never going to run out of ammo. Since the media can't afford to ignore him due to his ratings potential, it will be months upon months of attacks on her. Imagine the public reaction when he asks her how she expects to be given a security clearance with her history of unreliability when dealing with classified information right on the debate stage?

I'll go ahead and say it. Hillary Clinton (and Bernie Sanders) are unelectable against Donald Trump. They would win against any of the other Republican candidates, all of them are unelectable from the get go, but Trump is so much of a wildcard that he'll take the election easily so long as he doesn't have a major scandal of some sort ... which is certainly possible.

onan

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 17, 2016, 12:08:57 PM
I'll take the opposite view, I think Donald Trump is the next president. Why? Because he seems to have invented a way to win. Given that he's not staying within the lines as far as political tactics, it seems that neither Sanders nor Clinton are prepared to meet him on his level in front of the public. Trump will hang those candidates with their own decorum rules and paint himself as the "relevant" candidate. I can already see it coming with Trump openly cussing during rallies now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8

That's a problem. Hillary and Bernie can't credibly do that, which means they don't speak like most Americans do. They aren't you and I, it would look ridiculous and stiff if either dropped the F bomb, not so with Trump, he broke down that wall long ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furGXfTJf4o

You can tell that the liberal pundits are worried about this as they've been attacking him for cussing even though they should, in principle, have no problem with such a thing. Trump knows how to manipulate the pop culture and they know it and it would be a mistake to underestimate the power the pop culture has. Look at what it did for Ronald Reagan. His ability to speak and act made him into a Teflon president and damned nearly a god after his death among conservatives even though he wasn't really all that conservative ideologically and was a former Democrat. Donald Trump has so far proven to also be made out of Teflon.

Worse, he'll do what all other Republicans have woefully failed to do: actually attack Hillary Clinton and her past. I have no idea why, but for the last two decades the Republicans have treated her with kid gloves. Trump will not. Incidences like Benghazi and the deleted files will be the bulk of what he talks about and puts out in the media. Hillary has SOOOOO much negativity in her past that he's simply never going to run out of ammo. Since the media can't afford to ignore him due to his ratings potential, it will be months upon months of attacks on her. Imagine the public reaction when he asks her how she expects to be given a security clearance with her history of unreliability when dealing with classified information right on the debate stage?

I'll go ahead and say it. Hillary Clinton (and Bernie Sanders) are unelectable against Donald Trump. They would win against any of the other Republican candidates, all of them are unelectable from the get go, but Trump is so much of a wildcard that he'll take the election easily so long as he doesn't have a major scandal of some sort ... which is certainly possible.

There are people here, that I respect. Some of them like Trump. That is the only reason I continue to listen to him. I am a long way from trusting someone because they can talk like me. Look where the "I could have a beer with him" got us". Get ready for "wow, I thought our debt was bad before."

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 17, 2016, 12:08:57 PM
Ihe'll take the election easily so long as he doesn't have a major scandal of some sort ... which is certainly possible.

It's a sad state of affairs if only a scandal (affair with the housekeeper?) can draw a negative on the suitability of someone being POTUS. Trump is only interested in Trump. He's a megolamaniac. He isn't a career politition thus far, not because he's had an epiphany and thinks the US needs rescuing. No. He knows he can make being POTUS work for him. He doesn't give a shit about the people. He probably doesn't give a shit about Congress or the Senate.
He is however very very good at talking the language the lowest common denominator and/or paranoid understand and relate to.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: onan on February 17, 2016, 12:15:17 PM
There are people here, that I respect. Some of them like Trump. That is the only reason I continue to listen to him. I am a long way from trusting someone because they can talk like me. Look where the "I could have a beer with him" got us". Get ready for "wow, I thought our debt was bad before."

I wouldn't say that I like Trump, only that I like Ted Cruz less lol. Talk about a fake untrustworthy man, he's out trying to win a primary hoping to attract evangelicals by acting like a preacher. That's just playing on people's stupidity right out in the open. Politics gets no sleazier than Ted Cruz. That said, I think this election is going to be all about the pop culture, which puts major voting blocs that would not normally be in play into play. There is a reason presidential candidates in the past did things like host Saturday Night Live, they knew that if you can tap into pop culture, you tap into votes you might not normally get. Sanders and Clinton are not on Trump's level as far as possessing a command of the pop culture.

Plus, the Clinton supporters seem lukewarm at best. The Dems are all caveating with "Well, I don't like her ... but". They do that because they know she's got problems but that does not bode well for organizing and ground work. It's really hard to get people out volunteering and canvassing if they don't really believe in their candidate.

There are just too many problems for Hillary. She's been lucky enough (or crooked enough) to dodge many scandalous bullets over the years, but against Trump her luck will run out. Against Cruz, she'll win easily.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on February 17, 2016, 12:25:35 PM
It's a sad state of affairs if only a scandal (affair with the housekeeper?) can draw a negative on the suitability of someone being POTUS. Trump is only interested in Trump. He's a megolamaniac. He isn't a career politition thus far, not because he's had an epiphany and thinks the US needs rescuing. No. He knows he can make being POTUS work for him. He doesn't give a shit about the people. He probably doesn't give a shit about Congress or the Senate.

Yes. Which is why I think he'll get along great with Putin and we won't end up in a nuclear war by setting up no-fly zones in Syria. That policy is insane. People seem to miss the gravity of what that policy, advanced by several candidates now, really means.

As far as making the position work for him, I doubt it. I think he's so drenched in money at this point that there's nothing there that would benefit him. If he wasn't 69 years old, I might wonder, but I just don't see the benefit at his age. He'll lose money spending his time as president as opposed to being a businessman. The presidency will cost him.

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He is however very very good at talking the language the lowest common denominator and/or paranoid understand and relate to.

It works and he was smart enough to use it as a tactic. I prefer that over political fake speech. Fake speech is designed to hide something, to elevate a discussion into unnatural unrealistic modes, to control what is in the public arena. That is deception from the outset and should have been questioned long ago.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 17, 2016, 12:36:59 PM
Yes. Which is why I think he'll get along great with Putin and we won't end up in a nuclear war by setting up no-fly zones in Syria. That policy is insane. People seem to miss the gravity of what that policy, advanced by several candidates now, really means.

That's among my biggest concerns with the other candidates, particularly Cruz. He is apparently being advised by a hive of neoconservative scum. In my mind, Cruz represents "more of the same," and would lose a general election handily, I believe.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: MV on February 17, 2016, 12:56:12 PM
That's among my biggest concerns with the other candidates, particularly Cruz. He is apparently being advised by a hive of neoconservative scum. In my mind, Cruz represents "more of the same," and would lose a general election handily, I believe.

I think you're right. He'd lose anyway due to the "Reverend Cruz" persona not resonating outside evangelical circles. It might have worked back in the days of Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority, but today that stuff just makes normal people want to vomit.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 17, 2016, 01:29:49 PM
It might have worked back in the days of Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority, but today that stuff just makes normal people want to vomit.

I think it's because people aren't as naive as they once were. Where people at one time would see a Cruz as a man of morality and virtue, today's electorate is more likely to view a guy like him as a phony who uses religion to conceal something.

They think, "Surely, awaiting release,  there must be pictures of Cruz 'butt fucking Captain Kangaroo.'"



Quote from: MV on February 17, 2016, 03:22:58 PM
I think it's because people aren't as naive as they once were. Where people at one time would see a Cruz as a man of morality and virtue, today's electorate is more likely to view a guy like him as a phony who uses religion to conceal something.

They think, "Surely, awaiting release,  there must be pictures of Cruz 'butt fucking Captain Kangaroo.'"




O Captain! My Captain! 

Trump! Trump! Trump!

GravitySucks

Quote from: MV on February 17, 2016, 12:56:12 PM
That's among my biggest concerns with the other candidates, particularly Cruz. He is apparently being advised by a hive of neoconservative scum. In my mind, Cruz represents "more of the same," and would lose a general election handily, I believe.

Cruz is a sleeper plant for a radical arm of the Canadian underground that is financing his campaign for the sole purpose of repatriating the Stanley Cup.

Film at 11.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 17, 2016, 03:46:37 PM
Cruz is a sleeper plant for a radical arm of the Canadian underground that is financing his campaign for the sole purpose of repatriating the Stanley Cup.

Film at 11.

Sounds plausible.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: MV on February 17, 2016, 03:22:58 PM
I think it's because people aren't as naive as they once were. Where people at one time would see a Cruz as a man of morality and virtue, today's electorate is more likely to view a guy like him as a phony who uses religion to conceal something.

They think, "Surely, awaiting release,  there must be pictures of Cruz 'butt fucking Captain Kangaroo.'"




Right, I think it was a combination of the advent of the information age and the endless shenanigans from people like Bill Clinton and Weiner that have made people more street smart about politics. Politics attracts questionable people by its very nature and most people realize that now.

That's why I'm comfortable with supporting Trump. He's been under the tabloid journalist's magnifying glass for decades. We all know he has a history. That makes him a known quantity oddly enough. And for all his bluster, he's not advancing crazy policies like Cruz is that could lead us into a needless confrontation with Russia. Let Putin bomb away in Syria and prop up the Assad regime, at least that will stabilize things.


Beware of people who scream liar, liar.  Usually they are the ones that are being highly disingenuous.

Zoo

Long live Trump and all the Trumpy things he does ;D!!1


onan



The biggest overall ad spenders

    Team Bush: $80.9 million
    Team Rubio: $50.4 million
    Team Sanders: $25 million
    Team Clinton: $20 million
    Team Cruz: $16.8 million
    Team Trump: $8.5 million

The biggest South Carolina ad spenders

    Team Bush: $12.8 million
    Team Rubio: $11.1 million
    Team Cruz: $8.1 million
    Team Trump: $1.3 million
    Team Sanders: $878,000
    Team Clinton: $712,000
    Team Carson: $696,000

The biggest Nevada ad spenders

    Team Clinton: $3.3 million
    Team Sanders: $3.2 million
    Team Rubio: $560,000

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