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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

VtaGeezer

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on February 12, 2016, 02:57:58 AM
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Damn right you're right! Right as rain, man. The ordinary Americans who mindlessly idolize the Founding Fathers and their infallible wisdom based on a vague understanding of a few prominent examples, might be surprised if they knew what those esteemed sages really thought about the average fledgling citizen's ability to make informed decisions on Election Day. Thank you for opening that can of uncomfortable truth!

Stupid electorate.
We don't need no history lessons. We got all we need from Rush and Glenn, bro. 

The biggest thing I like about Trump is he's socially pragmatic which is the biggest thing holding the Republicans back in this country.

I read an interview from him where he was pro-Gay marriage and talked about going to a friend's gay marriage. I was like "Fuck Yeah, finally a Republican someone who gets it." Any politician who comes out against gay marriage everyone under 30 will immediately tune them out and hate them. We're at a point in society now where we all have gay friends or gay family members. Listening to people like Rubio and Cruz is insulting and offensive.

Also his pro-choice thoughts are very refreshing. Again everyone under 30 has interacted with Planned Parenthood or known someone who has. Planned Parenthood is one of the best organizations in our society. Of course there's going to be corruption, there's corruption in everything.

The fact that he has a brain on these issues and  he's against the extremist leftist bullshit while wanting to flex nuts again in the world instead of being a bitch makes me think I'm going to do something I once thought impossible. Vote Republican.

onan

Quote from: VoteQuimby on February 12, 2016, 02:18:53 PM
The biggest thing I like about Trump is he's socially pragmatic which is the biggest thing holding the Republicans back in this country.

I read an interview from him where he was pro-Gay marriage and talked about going to a friend's gay marriage. I was like "Fuck Yeah, finally a Republican someone who gets it." Any politician who comes out against gay marriage everyone under 30 will immediately tune them out and hate them. We're at a point in society now where we all have gay friends or gay family members. Listening to people like Rubio and Cruz is insulting and offensive.

Also his pro-choice thoughts are very refreshing. Again everyone under 30 has interacted with Planned Parenthood or known someone who has. Planned Parenthood is one of the best organizations in our society. Of course there's going to be corruption, there's corruption in everything.

The fact that he has a brain on these issues and  he's against the extremist leftist bullshit while wanting to flex nuts again in the world instead of being a bitch makes me think I'm going to do something I once thought impossible. Vote Republican.

On with Stephanopoulos, he said he would appoint supreme court justices that oppose gay marriage.

albrecht

Quote from: VoteQuimby on February 12, 2016, 02:18:53 PM
The biggest thing I like about Trump is he's socially pragmatic which is the biggest thing holding the Republicans back in this country.

I read an interview from him where he was pro-Gay marriage and talked about going to a friend's gay marriage. I was like "Fuck Yeah, finally a Republican someone who gets it." Any politician who comes out against gay marriage everyone under 30 will immediately tune them out and hate them. We're at a point in society now where we all have gay friends or gay family members. Listening to people like Rubio and Cruz is insulting and offensive.

Also his pro-choice thoughts are very refreshing. Again everyone under 30 has interacted with Planned Parenthood or known someone who has. Planned Parenthood is one of the best organizations in our society. Of course there's going to be corruption, there's corruption in everything.

The fact that he has a brain on these issues and  he's against the extremist leftist bullshit while wanting to flex nuts again in the world instead of being a bitch makes me think I'm going to do something I once thought impossible. Vote Republican.
Ignoring the issue of homosexual 'marriage' this logic could apply everywhere, and often does (as with politicians being for the standard definition of marrige- I doubt many politicians could care one was or the other but some constituencies do. But
-the under 30's don't usually vote en masse
-pandering to anyone is a common practice by politicians
-the ones that do vote in the under 30's seem to support Bernie
-the under 30's, usually unless bright and motivated or trust-fund types, haven't worked for very long, don't own property, might not have a family yet, don't own a business, have never been a net-loser when it comes tax-time, and often in debt (school and CCs) etc. In other words, the promises of Bernie (free schools, free stuff, tax the businesses, rich are the baddies, etc) will likely spur them better than things like tax-cuts or fiscal responsibility etc.

Quote from: onan on February 12, 2016, 02:54:58 PM
On with Stephanopoulos, he said he would appoint supreme court justices that oppose gay marriage.

... :o

That's a deal breaker for me then.

Quote from: VoteQuimby on February 12, 2016, 04:32:49 PM
... :o

That's a deal breaker for me then.

Nahh, wait 15 minutes; Trump will change his mind and blame it on....someone.





AND then threaten to sue them



















After he calls them some vulgar names....



































right after he promises not to.

Designx

I just don't get why Trump is doing so well - people need to realize he is a casino mogul. It's a business designed to screw people out of their money. He's also screwed a lot of investors out of their money as well. I wouldn't put it past Donald if he chose Steve Wynn as his running mate.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: Designx on February 13, 2016, 11:11:36 AM
I just don't get why Trump is doing so well - people need to realize he is a casino mogul. It's a business designed to screw people out of their money. He's also screwed a lot of investors out of their money as well. I wouldn't put it past Donald if he chose Steve Wynn as his running mate.
He's much more a commercial real estate developer than casino owner. His commercial real estate holdings far exceed his casino holdings.   IIRC, all his bankruptcies have been associated with casinos; he doesn't seem to have the knack of fleecing folks while they're smiling.

onan

Quote from: VtaGeezer on February 13, 2016, 11:33:40 AM
He's much more a commercial real estate developer than casino owner. His commercial real estate holdings far exceed his casino holdings.   IIRC, all his bankruptcies have been associated with casinos; he doesn't seem to have the knack of fleecing folks while they're smiling.

The way I hear it is, if he had invested his money (in 1982) in the S&P 500 he would be worth more than 20 Billion. Which is twice what he claims he is worth and more than 12 times what he is probably really worth.

The thing is, making money, lots of money, isn't what a president does. Nor should it be. Many of the president's responsibilities would be contradictory to the single motive of profit.

I get that Trump is verbalizing what many US citizens feel. I just don't think he really believes the rhetoric he spouts. He said the other day, that the unemployment rate is at 42 percent. He's nuts. But lots of people seem to relish in that kind of thinking.

Designx

Quote from: VtaGeezer on February 13, 2016, 11:33:40 AM
He's much more a commercial real estate developer than casino owner. His commercial real estate holdings far exceed his casino holdings.   IIRC, all his bankruptcies have been associated with casinos; he doesn't seem to have the knack of fleecing folks while they're smiling.

After reading this, l really question Trump's ability to make "really good deals."

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/10/trumps_controversial_time_in_ac_under_new_scrutiny_with_presidential_run.html

Quote from: Designx on February 13, 2016, 11:56:37 AM
After reading this, l really question Trump's ability to make "really good deals."

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/10/trumps_controversial_time_in_ac_under_new_scrutiny_with_presidential_run.html

Trump has gambled his fortune by putting all his personal assets up as collateral. Not something a savvy businessperson does. I`m not sure what people see in this guy. He talks a good game put gives absolutely no details. Does ANYBODY really believe he can build a huge wall along the entire southern border and make Mexico pay for it? No one can be that naive.

albrecht

Quote from: onan on February 13, 2016, 11:45:47 AM
The way I hear it is, if he had invested his money (in 1982) in the S&P 500 he would be worth more than 20 Billion. Which is twice what he claims he is worth and more than 12 times what he is probably really worth.

The thing is, making money, lots of money, isn't what a president does. Nor should it be. Many of the president's responsibilities would be contradictory to the single motive of profit.

I get that Trump is verbalizing what many US citizens feel. I just don't think he really believes the rhetoric he spouts. He said the other day, that the unemployment rate is at 42 percent. He's nuts. But lots of people seem to relish in that kind of thinking.
I agree with you that government shouldn't be run as a business, actually. Certain things aren't meant to be profitable and need to also be thought-of in longer term and for societal reasons. On the other hand though it shouldn't be run as spend like hell, sweet-heart contracts, and give-aways for all and no sense for thrift or economy. The only reason I like Trump at all, and still suspicious that he isn't some kind of stalking horse for Billary or really in it, is that he is upsetting the system and calling them out on financing/lobbyists. And he thoughts on the border (though a wall is stupid and old-thinking, better fines and criminal penalties for those that hire, harbor, or support, cutting off foreign aide (and seizing assets) of countries that send them, and even 'smart' landmining is a cheaper, easier solution.)

VtaGeezer

Quote from: onan on February 13, 2016, 11:45:47 AM
The way I hear it is, if he had invested his money (in 1982) in the S&P 500 he would be worth more than 20 Billion. Which is twice what he claims he is worth and more than 12 times what he is probably really worth.

The thing is, making money, lots of money, isn't what a president does. Nor should it be. Many of the president's responsibilities would be contradictory to the single motive of profit.

I get that Trump is verbalizing what many US citizens feel. I just don't think he really believes the rhetoric he spouts. He said the other day, that the unemployment rate is at 42 percent. He's nuts. But lots of people seem to relish in that kind of thinking.
The S&P story can be applied to everyone, but no one, including the financial gurus, actually does it.  I take little of Trump's claims at face value, and I see little difference between his invented self-serving figures and the govts invented self-serving figures.  He's playing the pol game as it must be played in America.  What Trump can make from being Pres is chump change in his league. Besides, no one's batted an eye at the Clintons' mining the Presidency for $160 Million since  Bill left office or the Bush Family's immense wealth though Poppy spend most of his life collecting measly govt paychecks. 

I never dreamt I could consider voting for Trump until I saw Hillary v4.0 in full throat; she stinks of 50 years of everything that was wrong with liberalism.  She and Cruz are two sides of the same pandering, self-aggrandizing coin.



onan

Quote from: VtaGeezer on February 13, 2016, 12:48:33 PM
The S&P story can be applied to everyone, but no one, including the financial gurus, actually does it.  I take little of Trump's claims at face value, and I see little difference between his invented self-serving figures and the govts invented self-serving figures.  He's playing the pol game as it must be played in America.  What Trump can make from being Pres is chump change in his league. Besides, no one's batted an eye at the Clintons' mining the Presidency for $160 Million since  Bill left office or the Bush Family's immense wealth though Poppy spend most of his life collecting measly govt paychecks. 

I never dreamt I could consider voting for Trump until I saw Hillary v4.0 in full throat; she stinks of 50 years of everything that was wrong with liberalism.  She and Cruz are two sides of the same pandering, self-aggrandizing coin.

Not everyone is claiming their financial prowess. Trump regales in bloviation. If you think Trump stinks less than other options, that is your prerogative.

Your claim of self serving figures is a choice to believe fantasy as opposed to measured data. Data manipulation is different than pulling numbers out of one's ass.

Trump has pulled this running for president before, when it didn't go his way he walked. I don't believe he has the resilience to deal with matters he can't buy. Unfortunately, he won't be able to claim bankruptcy if his send all the Muslims back doesn't work.

whoozit

If Trump does get elected I think he might choose not to run for a second term.  It is a bit of a silver lining.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: onan on February 13, 2016, 02:25:16 PM
Your claim of self serving figures is a choice to believe fantasy as opposed to measured data. Data manipulation is different than pulling numbers out of one's ass.
Indeed.  Trump pulling an exaggerated number out of his ass is casual and typical political hyperbole.  Data manipulation by the govt. of the USA to make the economic situation look healthy is conspiracy of official lies. 

I don't think the US has ever faced two worse candidates at the same time.  Maybe Nixon v McGovern, but McG was at least honest. Trump's non-PC attitudes and success in managing major decisions and negotiations trumps the Grifteress' 50 year old bullshit of promising everyone a milkshake while selling the family cow to the butcher.

onan

Quote from: VtaGeezer on February 13, 2016, 02:39:55 PM
Indeed.  Trump pulling an exaggerated number out of his ass is casual and typical political hyperbole.  Data manipulation by the govt. of the USA to make the economic situation look healthy is conspiracy of official lies. 

I don't think the US has ever faced two worse candidates at the same time.  Maybe Nixon v McGovern, but McG was at least honest. Trump's non-PC attitudes and success in managing major decisions and negotiations trumps the Grifteress' 50 year old bullshit of promising everyone a milkshake while selling the family cow to the butcher.

I don't think the data is false or inadequate. How it is presented certainly can be. I know this because I have a great deal of knowledge from many studies that attempt to understand and explain complex medical studies. I am often frustrated because the data is then presented by people that do not understand to those that understand even less.

I get that people are concerned, afraid, and struggling with our economic situation. Trump isn't a friend to the working class. I may be wrong on that opinion, if he does win, I certainly hope so.


littlechris

Ok my Bellgab babies. Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!!!!

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Designx

The fall of Trump begins tonight.

popple

How much do these people get paid to boo Trump?

popple

How much do these people get paid to please clap for Jeb! ?

Trump is really having a lot of Trumper tantrums tonight.   He's a whiner and speaks when not addressed. He better get his meds straightened out.

I just love seeing Jeb squirm.

Designx

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 13, 2016, 08:42:40 PM
Trump is really having a lot of Trumper tantrums tonight.   He's a whiner and speaks when not addressed. He better get his meds straightened out.

You don't blame GW Bush for 9/11 and win the Republican nomination. I think he just killed his chances.

albrecht

Quote from: Designx on February 13, 2016, 08:46:20 PM
You don't blame GW Bush for 9/11 and win the Republican nomination. I think he just killed his chances.
Didn't he say that months ago also (9/11 and Bush- not the CT stuff but on his watch?) It didn't hurt then? Who knows? I still have odd feeling that he is a stalking horse for Billary, Dems etc or not really in it for long-term but could totally be wrong.

Designx

Quote from: albrecht on February 13, 2016, 08:49:31 PM
Didn't he say that months ago also (9/11 and Bush- not the CT stuff but on his watch?) It didn't hurt then? Who knows? I still have odd feeling that he is a stalking horse for Billary, Dems etc or not really in it for long-term but could totally be wrong.

I think the difference here is the national stage. He can get away with cussing and saying crazy things in town halls but he isn't toning it down for the televised debates.

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