President Donald J. Trump

[VtaGeezer]

Illegal immigration is one of those dog whistle topics. Trump is giving a simple answer to a complicated  problem. Walls are usually signs of weakness rather than strength, like the French Maginot line, and are never as effective as you think they will be. Your biggest problem is your relative prosperity as a nation compared  to Mexico. People want to come there because they think they will have a better life. If they are sufficiently determined they will find a way. The wall is too long for practical use, and it's bound to be porous. It might reduce the rate of immigration, but does that justify the expense in an era of fiscal conservatism? The only long-term solution is to make Mexico more  prosperous, so that people don't want to leave in such numbers. People will find a way to get there, so you need to reduce the incentive. The trouble is, a solution like that won't be heard in this world of day-glo TV sets and news bimbos. It's a bit like the 'war on drugs', which doesn't work either, because it's a problem that can only be managed, not eliminated.

Mexicans have an incentive to get into the US because our political system has long barred any effective penalties for the employers of illegal workers.  The solution is to end the stranglehold of corporate money on the legislators. 

The problem for Mexico is much deeper than the attraction of US jobs.  Mexico (and most of  S. and Central America) exist in strongly held 19th Century attitudes of class and racial castes that block real economic growth.  Trade concessions like NAFTA have barely moved the economic needle for most Mexican workers and have devastated American manufacturing while grandly enriching the already wealthy on both sides of the border.

Bottom line is that corruption is rampant on both sides of the border.  They call it mordida, we call it the Congress.

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Mexicans have an incentive to get into the US because our political system has long barred any effective penalties for the employers of illegal workers.  The solution is to end the stranglehold of corporate money on the legislators. 

The problem for Mexico is much deeper than the attraction of US jobs.  Mexico (and most of  S. and Central America) exist in strongly held 19th Century attitudes of class and racial castes that block real economic growth.  Trade concessions like NAFTA have barely moved the economic needle for most Mexican workers and have devastated American manufacturing while grandly enriching the already wealthy on both sides of the border.

Bottom line is that corruption is rampant on both sides of the border.  They call it mordida, we call it the Congress.

In regards to Mexico, Mexico has very powerful, independent private sector unions. It's up to the Mexican workers to use those unions to get higher wages.  Chinese workers got large wage growth (which resulted in lower skilled mainly assembly jobs going to even cheaper places like Vietnam and, for a time, even North Korea) and they don't even have independent private sector unions. 

If the leaders of the Mexican unions are corrupt, then it's up to the Mexican workers to vote out their union leaders. Maybe the remaining American unions can provide some assistance.

In regards to the United States, judging by their media mouthpieces many Fortune 500 CEOs are scared witless of a Donald Trump Presidency.  This should give Hillary Clinton enormous leverage to demand concessions from them.  Even if not, it must be apparent to many CEOs that the American people will no longer accept, as Bernie Sanders correctly says " almost all the the gains from GDP growth going to the 1%" (actually more like the 1% of the 1%.) 

[Teh PeNgu1n oF dOOm]

I really like this campaign cycle because it has made me so much more aware of conservative media types.  My favorite so far has to be Steve Deace.  If you thought Ted Cruz had no competition in the creepy factor, well Steve Deace is almost like Superman compared to Ted Cruz.  I have enjoyed watching him have his melt down and flail about and cry over Trump winning and Ted Cruz losing.

[Teh PeNgu1n oF dOOm]

[Teh PeNgu1n oF dOOm]

Just listened to him on the radio.

His opening bumper music is from Rage Against the Machine, and he overlays the music with movie lines from the movie "V for Vendetta".

It's mind boggling he would use that music and quotes from that movie.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

The country's reaction to some guy eating a taco bowl is one of the funniest things I've witnessed in awhile. 

Trump must have an insane metabolism to eat that many calories and still maintain that alpha figure.

[Teh PeNgu1n oF dOOm]

The country's reaction to some guy eating a taco bowl is one of the funniest things I've witnessed awhile. 

Trump must have an insane metabolism to eat that many calories and still maintain that alpha figure.

Well raping Ted Cruz takes a lot of calories, holding him down and thrusting into Ted Cruz 24/7.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Well raping Ted Cruz takes a lot of calories, holding him down and thrusting into Ted Cruz 24/7.

Was Ted Cruz really competition for the God Emperor though? A creepy ugly bible beater who talks about God while fucking trannies? Aside from keks, I doubt Trump wasted much energy.

Just like Hillary is a pro-Rape, pro-Victim status, literally the worst politician the Democrats could trot out who everyone hates and who's only qualification is the best Prez of the 20th century cheated on her really going to be competition?

I hope Trump is already making plans to put the bowling alley back in the White House.

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The U.S is keeping Germany secure?

This is one of a handful of things that I agree with Donald Trump on.  South Korea should pay the full cost of the U.S troops. 

It's even a little hard to imagine China invading Japan, so, it's debatable that the U.S troops are needed there.

It's possible that U.S troops are stationed in Japan as a means to defending Taiwan from Chinese invasion.  Even if that is the case though, Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, South Korea and the Philippines all have reasons to put their historical differences aside and ally together to stop China.  So, again, Chinese aggression should not necessitate the United States being the defenders of its allies.

[Teh PeNgu1n oF dOOm]

Listening to the Steve Deace show.

And I quote:  night's I woke up in the middle of the night sobbing, literally.  Sobbing into my wife's shoulder.  I couldn't process it........there is literally a war going on in this country for the heart and soul of this country.

I feel for Steve Deace's wife.  I mean, sure you drew the short stick married to Steve Deace, but damn, now you are up in the middle of the night with this guy bawling his eyes out, cause his political candidate isn't winning.  How can a woman have any respect for a man so prone to crying in fits of emotional outbursts?

I really think Steve Deace pretty much sums up the average Ted Cruz supporter.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Bernie supporters letting their tolerance and hunger for equality rain down.



Watching progressives come apart at the seams revealing themselves to be the hypocritical closeted racists we knew they were all along.

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Was Ted Cruz really competition for the God Emperor though? A creepy ugly bible beater who talks about God while fucking trannies? Aside from keks, I doubt Trump wasted much energy.

Just like Hillary is a pro-Rape, pro-Victim status, literally the worst politician the Democrats could trot out who everyone hates and who's only qualification is the best Prez of the 20th century cheating on her really going to be competition?

I hope Trump is already making plans to put the bowling alley back in the White House.

I saw some of the Donald Trump interview with Wolf Blitzer.  I really don't get his appeal at all.  He either makes fact free claims about things like "we're going to become the dominant manufacturing nation in the world again" or generally fact free claims against his opponents or he's all mindless boasts "Putin is going to love me." 

I realize that some of Trump's supporters just want to poke a finger at 'the system' but, honestly, beyond his base who exactly is going to fall for this nonsense?  Of course, Trump will get the votes of those who vote for the Republican ticket and not any specific candidate, but calling Donald Trump a clown is unfair to clowns.

I can't see anybody who respects their intelligence voting for Trump.

[Teh PeNgu1n oF dOOm]

Was Ted Cruz really competition for the God Emperor though? A creepy ugly bible beater who talks about God while fucking trannies? Aside from keks, I doubt Trump wasted much energy.

Just like Hillary is a pro-Rape, pro-Victim status, literally the worst politician the Democrats could trot out who everyone hates and who's only qualification is the best Prez of the 20th century cheated on her really going to be competition?

I hope Trump is already making plans to put the bowling alley back in the White House.

Ted Cruz was Trump's sparring partner while Trump warms up for the General Election.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I saw some of the Donald Trump interview with Wolf Blitzer.  I really don't get his appeal at all.  He either makes fact free claims about things like "we're going to become the dominant manufacturing nation in the world again" or generally fact free claims against his opponents or he's all mindless boasts "Putin is going to love me." 

I realize that some of Trump's supporters just want to poke a finger at 'the system' but, honestly, beyond his base who exactly is going to fall for this nonsense?  Of course, Trump will get the votes of those who vote for the Republican ticket and not any specific candidate, but calling Donald Trump a clown is unfair to clowns.

I can't see anybody who respects their intelligence voting for Trump.

Insulting the intelligence of Trump voters and then saying a bunch of baseless generic bullshit. Edgy.

I saw a few minutes of a video piece on CNN and now I think millions of people are stupid.

[Teh PeNgu1n oF dOOm]

I saw some of the Donald Trump interview with Wolf Blitzer.  I really don't get his appeal at all.  He either makes fact free claims about things like "we're going to become the dominant manufacturing nation in the world again" or generally fact free claims against his opponents or he's all mindless boasts "Putin is going to love me." 

I realize that some of Trump's supporters just want to poke a finger at 'the system' but, honestly, beyond his base who exactly is going to fall for this nonsense?  Of course, Trump will get the votes of those who vote for the Republican ticket and not any specific candidate, but calling Donald Trump a clown is unfair to clowns.

I can't see anybody who respects their intelligence voting for Trump.

Could you explain which candidates are worthy enough to vote for so the voter can respect their intelligence?

Please give a complete breakdown, I am honestly curious.

[Lt.Uhura]

It already has fallen in.  A financial "wall" would work even better, such as levying a 75% federal tax on every Western Union transaction destined to go to high illegal emigre nations such as Mexico.  This would reduce some of the economic motivation to move here.

Transferring money via Western Union is so last century.  Slipping money in and out of the country undetected has never been easier.  Would your "financial wall" be directed at everyone, or just the working class?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/massive-trove-of-panama-papers-just-a-small-slice-of-offshore-banking-world/

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Insulting the intelligence of Trump voters and then saying a bunch of baseless generic bullshit. Edgy.

What baseless generic bulllshit?  I was quoting Trump.

You mean as compared to your post calling progressives closeted racists on the basis of one tweet that had 33 likes?

Anybody who votes for Trump is stupid.
For instance, you're a total moron.

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Could you explain which candidates are worthy enough to vote for so the voter can respect their intelligence?

Please give a complete breakdown, I am honestly curious.

There are two major candidates. Neither is perfect, but to say they are as bad as each other is simple minded false equivalency bull-shit.

Hillary Clinton had detailed well thought out policy on many issues and panders to the voters far less than Donald Trump panders to his base.  Of course, Clinton does make a few specific silly promises like offering to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour while Trump seems to have made virtually no specific commitments to his base.  So, not only are Trump's supporters stupid, they're bought off with vague promises that are  mostly ridiculous and often contradictory.  Proving even more how stupid they are.

On balance, I think Hillary Clinton is the vastly superior choice.

[Teh PeNgu1n oF dOOm]

Hillary Clinton is the vastly superior choice.

That's all I needed to see.

Thank you.

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That's all I needed to see.

Thank you.

Judging by your simplistic thinking, maybe Trump does have a shot.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

What baseless generic bulllshit?  I was quoting Trump.

You mean as compared to your post calling progressives closeted racists on the basis of one tweet that had 33 likes?

Sanders supporters blame the Black community for being too stupid (or intelligent) for voting their scam artist commie. I will bomb this thread with proof if you doubt me. The retard tweet I posted was from the guy who rushed Trump during one of his rallies and is now begging for money online for his legal defense fund. Apparently being a professional protester doesn't pay dick.

You said

I saw some of the Donald Trump interview with Wolf Blitzer.  I really don't get his appeal at all.  He either makes fact free claims about things like "we're going to become the dominant manufacturing nation in the world again"

You use one line which I'm not sure he said or not in which Trump backs up by not wanting to get raped by China in trade deals anymore and rebuilding our infrastructure.

or generally fact free claims against his opponents

Baseless

or he's all mindless boasts "Putin is going to love me."

You mean how Putin, Cameron, Fox and now today Germany's conservative leader are practically blowing Trump in the media lately?

I realize that some of Trump's supporters just want to poke a finger at 'the system'

Or they don't want a pro-Rape, pro-Victim status career failure to run the country.

but, honestly, beyond his base who exactly is going to fall for this nonsense?  Of course, Trump will get the votes of those who vote for the Republican ticket and not any specific candidate, but calling Donald Trump a clown is unfair to clowns.

I can't see anybody who respects their intelligence voting for Trump.

Baseless hate because your fee fees are twisted up.

Anything else you need me to address for you? You had no real content aside from one sentence supposedly from Trump and then a bunch of your perception.

Anybody who votes for Trump is stupid.
For instance, you're a total moron.

Edgy.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

There are two major candidates. Neither is perfect, but to say they are as bad as each other is simple minded false equivalency bull-shit.

Hillary Clinton had detailed well thought out policy on many issues and panders to the voters far less than Donald Trump panders to his base.  Of course, Clinton does make a few specific silly promises like offering to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour while Trump seems to have made virtually no specific commitments to his base.  So, not only are Trump's supporters stupid, they're bought off with vague promises that are  mostly ridiculous and often contradictory.  Proving even more how stupid they are.

On balance, I think Hillary Clinton is the vastly superior choice.

Oh, you're just insane.



This is like seeing an albino for the first time in public. BellGab's first Shillary supporter.

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"I saw a few minutes of a video piece on CNN and now I think millions of people are stupid."

Nice. I didn't say that.  I saw about half an hour of his interview and Trump repeated the same points I quoted over and over again, especially about how 'great' he is and 'what a brilliant negotiator' he is. 

As all Trump supporters are self selecting, and therefore, not a random sample, that so many of them don't seem to recognize the guy is a carnival huckster phony, of course, they can all be stupid.  I left out the ones who were supporting Trump realizing that he's a phony but believing that a vote for Trump would 'shake up the system.'

Of course, it's one think to vote a phony, and one who either pretends to be or genuinely is an erratic phony to the U.S House or the U.S Senate, it's quite another to vote for one to be President of the United States.  That's a level of stupid that probably goes beyond even those who genuinely believe Trump's nonsense.

[GravitySucks]

Mexicans have an incentive to get into the US because our political system has long barred any effective penalties for the employers of illegal workers.  The solution is to end the stranglehold of corporate money on the legislators. 

The problem for Mexico is much deeper than the attraction of US jobs.  Mexico (and most of  S. and Central America) exist in strongly held 19th Century attitudes of class and racial castes that block real economic growth.  Trade concessions like NAFTA have barely moved the economic needle for most Mexican workers and have devastated American manufacturing while grandly enriching the already wealthy on both sides of the border.

Bottom line is that corruption is rampant on both sides of the border.  They call it mordida, we call it the Congress.

Geezer, I'm not picking on you, just using your post. I noticed that virtually every post today concentrates on Mexico and Mexicans as being the problem and/or solution. That shows a lack of understanding of the issues at hand.

Yes, Mexicans comprise a portion of the illegal immigrants, but since they do nothing to control their southern border, they are just a thoroughfare for illegals from virtually any central and South American country, and allows anyone from anywhere in the world to reach the US once they reach the Americas.

This is not just a problem with Mexican illegal immigrants.   

I see posters from Britain (an island nation) and Canada (a country the hopes we help them enforce their southern border) telling us how we should or shouldn't protect our border.

It boils down to whether we are a sovereign nation with borders and laws or we are not. I believe we are, and I believe we should be protecting and policing our borders and enforcing ALL of of our current immigration laws.

I don't care if it is a wall, a virtual fence, or Albrecht's land mine solution, but we need to stem the tide. Will it be 100% effective?  No. Could it be 90-95% effective?  Probably.

I believe all federal aid should be cut off to any city or state that allows itself to become a sanctuary. I believe that any company that willingly employs an illegal immigrant should face civil and criminal penalties. I believe we should be immediately deporting everyone here illegally. Logistical problems? Sure. We could get UPS to help us. They are great with logistics.

I don't think we should take a single refugee in from the Middle East until prosperous countries in the Middle East start becoming part of the solution. How many refugees are Iran and Saudi Arabia welcoming into their countries?  Zero.

We are either a country with a border and laws or we are not. Our Constitution says that we are. Canada's well-being relies on us being one.

This issue has been an issue for quite some time. It is being discussed and debated today as loudly and with as much emotion today because one person decided to make it a central issue in his campaign. Donald Trump. You know, the clown that would be out of the race before the first primary. That Donald Trump.

Personally, I look forward to the groundbreaking ceremony for the wall. The strip of land has already been surveyed and procured for the half-assed attempt at building the border fence that Congress decided must be built, but then refused to fully fund.

[Teh PeNgu1n oF dOOm]

Judging by your simplistic thinking, maybe Trump does have a shot.

No, just not wanting to waste my time with someone who thinks Hillary is a far superior choice.

At least if you said Bernie Sanders, then I could have some respect, but Hillary supporters are just not even worth it.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

"I saw a few minutes of a video piece on CNN and now I think millions of people are stupid."

Nice. I didn't say that.

I saw some of the Donald Trump interview with Wolf Blitzer.

I can't see anybody who respects their intelligence voting for Trump.

Do you have anything to say that demonstrates critical thinking or are you just going to keep repeating mass media memes?

[whoozit]

Hillary Clinton had detailed well thought out policy on many issues and panders to the voters far less than Donald Trump panders to his base.

How did Hillary's well thought out Middle East policy as Secretary of State work out?   That region is always a mess but she brought several supertankers of gasoline and dumped them on the dumpster fire. 

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Sanders supporters blame the Black community for being too stupid (or intelligent) for voting their scam artist commie. I will bomb this thread with proof if you doubt me. The retard tweet I posted was from the guy who rushed Trump during one of his rallies and is now begging for money online for his legal defense fund. Apparently being a professional protester doesn't pay dick.

You said


You use one line which I'm not sure he said or not in which Trump backs up by not wanting to get raped by China in trade deals anymore and rebuilding our infrastructure.


Baseless

You mean how Putin, Cameron, Fox and now today Germany's conservative leader are practically blowing Trump in the media lately?

Or they don't want a pro-Rape, pro-Victim status career failure to run the country.

Baseless hate because your fee fees are twisted up.

Anything else you need me to address for you? You had no real content aside from one sentence supposedly from Trump and then a bunch of your perception.

Edgy.

1.Approximately 8 million people thus far have voted for Bernie Sanders, what percentage of them blame black people?

2.China is part of the WTO and has MFN trade status with the U.S. The U.S has no free trade agreement with China.

3."Hillary Clinton brought up the birther think first."  False, this has been completely debunked.  While some of her supporters in 2008 raised the issue, neither Clinton nor her campaign team brought it up and there is no indication they worked behind the scenes to encourage those supporters.

"Ted Cruz's father had something to do with the murder of JFK."

Baseless? There only baseless to a moron like you.


The only thing edgy about you is your pointy head.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

1.Approximately 8 million people thus far have voted for Bernie Sanders, what percentage of them blame black people?

I wouldn't know since I haven't talked to all eight million of them but if their online traffic is any indication a significant amount of them. As that tweet demonstrated.

2.China is part of the WTO and has MFN trade status with the U.S. The U.S has no free trade agreement with China.

Yup, one of the main things the God Emperor wants to address. Why do you hate America and want us to lose to China?

3."Hillary Clinton brought up the birther think first."  False, this has been completely debunked.  While some of her supporters in 2008 raised the issue, neither Clinton nor her campaign team brought it up and there is no indication they worked behind the scenes to encourage those supporters.

You're off in woo land yelling at clouds now. No idea what you're even talking about.

"Ted Cruz's father had something to do with the murder of JFK."

Baseless? There only baseless to a moron like you.

All he said was that his daddy and LHO were buddies which is an established fact, you're the one who created that. 

The only thing edgy about you is your pointy head.

I think you're a little turned on.

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No, just not wanting to waste my time with someone who thinks Hillary is a far superior choice.

At least if you said Bernie Sanders, then I could have some respect, but Hillary supporters are just not even worth it.

Bernie Sanders is like a lot on the further left.  I'm not sure if there is a political term for Bernie Sanders and his supporters, he's not a socialist, I know some liberals call him a progressive, but like a lot of them, he points out a lot of genuine economic problems, but he has few if any practical solutions.

I'm actually not a big Hillary Clinton supporter due to her penchant for secrecy and her willingness to engage in deals that though none have ever be found to be illegal (and that seems likely what will happen with the latest FBI investigations as well) that clearly go stretch the legal point as far as it will go.  Some of her behavior has clearly been of dubious ethics.

The old line in politics is that you can succeed as a 3/10 if your opponent is a 2/10.  There are probably a half dozen Democrats I would have preferred to Hillary Clinton, including Elizabeth Warren.  Amy Klobuchar or Tim Kaine/Mark Warner probably would have been better choices as well.