President Donald J. Trump

[PB the Deplorable]

Yes, and no.  I remain unconvinced that these "busloads" of people exist...

Well, we first learned of them from the folks who throw the riots themselves.  Of course these people always claim to be ''peaceful'', and Big Media backs them up.  So when people point to the looted stores, the burning tires in the road, the videos with people being beaten, police going to the hospital, etc, it was then - when it could no longer be denied - that ''busloads of outsiders'' was offered up as an excuse.

If I recall correctly, this started with the Black Bloc thugs back in the International Solidarity days.

The fact is, this is all a coordinated effort.  The ''official'' group's denial is a fig leaf in order to continue claiming it's all peaceful ''except for a small minority''.  A small minority who are very welcome to join in.  It doesn't really matter where they come from or how they get there - it probably depends on the riot.  Here in Oakland / Berkeley /San Francisco, they don't need to bus anyone in from elsewhere .   

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A83OtYlM10k

[norland2424]

[PB the Deplorable]

I usually I don't find much to criticize in your posts but you might want to look into this one a little deeper. The CIA has been dealing drugs to their own citizens since at least Vietnam, and maybe even before this, to fund their black ops. In the 80s the coke was being shipped into Mena, Arkansas (where Bill and Hill were). The pilot had a crash in Nicaragua (I think) and was found to have a business card of George "Poppy" Bush on him from Zapata Enterprises. The pilot was later murdered before he could testify, of course. It's probably still going on. I'm almost sure this is why Afghanistan was so important to us. Some of the biggest opium poppy fields are there and I remember the Army guarding them so that business as usual could continue. 

Well, maybe.  I simply quit taking anything the Left had to say seriously long ago - other than their threats.  Maybe this is a case of their crying wolf too often.

These people are constantly attacking our country, our police, our military, our Constitution, our Founding Fathers, our system of government, our system of free exchange, the various foundations of our society, anyone who disagrees with them, and trying to suppress certain of our rights while using those same rights against us.  They will tell any lie that weakens us, divides us, is disruptive, causes confusion, etc.

In this one they're attacking the military.  Maybe it's true, but as the military brass is probably as much against drugs as any segment in society, somehow a huge ongoing operation has been kept a secret for decades by all involved? 

[Dr. MD MD]

Well, maybe.  I simply quit taking anything the Left had to say seriously long ago - other than their threats.  Maybe this is a case of their crying wolf too often.

These people are constantly attacking our country, our police, our military, our Constitution, our Founding Fathers, our system of government, our system of free exchange, the various foundations of our society, anyone who disagrees with them, and trying to suppress certain of our rights while using those same rights against us.  They will tell any lie that weakens us, divides us, is disruptive, causes confusion, etc.

In this one they're attacking the military.  Maybe it's true, but as the military brass is probably as much against drugs as any segment in society, somehow a huge ongoing operation has been kept a secret for decades by all involved?

This was not a story spun from the left but pieced together by various journalist, most of whom wound up dead for their efforts. 

[ItsOver]

Indeed,all hail MV!
(below is a sample of what happens when I search "gay pride centurion" for a picture and come up empty...)

The pic looks like one of MV's avatars multiplied.

[Lt.Uhura]

Mysterious!  Terrifying!!  Barely coherent!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWBbR5umss8

[Jackstar]

somehow a huge ongoing operation has been kept a secret for decades by all involved?

... somehow.

[Lt.Uhura]

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[CornyCrow]

To be honest, this isn't something that interests me much.

I'd be shocked if there haven't been a few individuals in the military smuggling drugs into the country, or even a somewhat sizeable rogue operation having done so.

We have not had a single president that would risk so much for something like this though.  When Bush put the planes of returning coffins off limits to the media, it was because they were sleazily using photos of the caskets to undermine the war effort, and Bush put an end to it.

It's one thing to be against a war before it begins.  To me, once we have soldiers on the ground, we need to support them and their mission, and not try to undermine them.  Telling the enemy we are divided puts our kids more at risk, and provides incentive for the enemy to dig in.

Webb said that black ops were funded by those illegal drugs that the government was smuggling in.  I believe that.

I also think the 'caskets undermining the war effort' was a cover for the real story - the real story gels with those uninspected trucks that W wanted.   

I also find it strange that the Bush and Clinton families seemed  to have formed a real friendship - such odd bedfellows (I don't know how well it's faring under the Jeb/Hillary hiccup).  I would not be shocked if someday in the future we found out the warm feelings between them came out of some mutually beneficial not quite legal financial shenanigan.   

Before you think this is so extreme, appreciate that the higher up drug dealers make money too quickly to count.  They just weigh it.   

[CornyCrow]

I usually I don't find much to criticize in your posts but you might want to look into this one a little deeper. The CIA has been dealing drugs to their own citizens since at least Vietnam, and maybe even before this, to fund their black ops. In the 80s the coke was being shipped into Mena, Arkansas (where Bill and Hill were). The pilot had a crash in Nicaragua (I think) and was found to have a business card of George "Poppy" Bush on him from Zapata Enterprises. The pilot was later murdered before he could testify, of course. It's probably still going on. I'm almost sure this is why Afghanistan was so important to us. Some of the biggest opium poppy fields are there and I remember the Army guarding them so that business as usual could continue. 

Yup.  That's why the Viet Nam war lasted so long.  That's why we were in Afghanistan.  There are governments in S.America that are owned by drug operators - why do we think it cannot happen here?  God's protection, maybe?  How foolish.

[CornyCrow]

Yes, and no.  I remain unconvinced that these "busloads" of people exist (and if they do that they are not there for a convention.)  I have a tough time believing that out of 300 bus drivers (mostly a blue collar, conservative occupation) that not a single one has come out and told the news that he picked up 40 protesters in Oregon and drove them to Pittsburgh while they plotted the overthrow of the president elect.  I know, I should listen to Infowars for the truth on this topic. 


***That said, I should probably add that I have an open mind.  It is entirely possible- but I would expect there to be more proof and first hand accounts by now.

I understand.  It IS strange.  It's just in my reading and watching the media, sporadically over the past decades, I hear/read that just people in the crowds are observing this.   

[CornyCrow]

Interesting that turncoat, John McCain is now calling for an investigation into the election results because of "Russian hacking." I think some plans of his fell through when Hill didn't get selected. 

Yeah.  McCain often speaks from two sides of his face.  He may say one thing that you really are enthusiastic about, and maybe a week or two later he'll say the exact opposite.  I don't know if his brain malfunctions or he does not realize that the media catches him at this or that we're all stupid.  I don't know how the media lets him get away with this. 

[CornyCrow]

Well, we first learned of them from the folks who throw the riots themselves.  Of course these people always claim to be ''peaceful'', and Big Media backs them up.  So when people point to the looted stores, the burning tires in the road, the videos with people being beaten, police going to the hospital, etc, it was then - when it could no longer be denied - that ''busloads of outsiders'' was offered up as an excuse.

If I recall correctly, this started with the Black Bloc thugs back in the International Solidarity days.

The fact is, this is all a coordinated effort.  The ''official'' group's denial is a fig leaf in order to continue claiming it's all peaceful ''except for a small minority''.  A small minority who are very welcome to join in.  It doesn't really matter where they come from or how they get there - it probably depends on the riot.  Here in Oakland / Berkeley /San Francisco, they don't need to bus anyone in from elsewhere .   

Those busloads of outsiders have been observed, though.  People in peaceful protests will go home when they see these creeps arrive.  I don't believe these observers are lying or part of a conspiracy.  The media should give this aspect more attention. 

I know people who are/were in sympathy with BLM - after all, initially all they were asking for is honest police who were accountable under the law, and conducted themselves with honor.  They say the worst thing that can happen to a 'cause' is these violent clowns.  Why would people want to turn the public away from their cause by entertaining thugs? 

Not everyone loots during those episodes.  They don't all want tv's.   

[CornyCrow]

This was not a story spun from the left but pieced together by various journalist, most of whom wound up dead for their efforts. 

Thank you.  Not everything is part of a left/right conspiracy.  Money also makes strange bedfellows.

[Jackstar]

When Bush put the planes of returning coffins off limits to the media, it was because they were sleazily using photos of the caskets to undermine the war effort, and Bush put an end to it.

How much more than just your opinion is that?


I have a follow-up question

Thank you.  Not everything is part of a left/right conspiracy.

Sometimes, it's the menses.

[pyewacket]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but why the outrage of possible Russian interference in the 2016 election? When Ted Kennedy actually attempted it - it was OK?

Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In The 1984 Elections

If these progressives want to know what actual treason looks like, they should consult liberal lion Ted Kennedy, who not only allegedly sent secret messages to the Soviets in the midst of the cold war, he also begged them to intervene in a U.S. presidential election in order to unseat President Ronald Reagan. That’s no exaggeration.

According to Soviet documents unearthed in the early 1990’s, Kennedy literally asked the Soviets, avowed enemies of the U.S., to intervene on behalf of the Democratic party in the 1984 elections. Kennedy’s communist communique was so secret that it was not discovered until 1991, eight years after Kennedy had initiated his Soviet gambit:

    Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

    “On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

    Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

    Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

    First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

    Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

    Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air timeâ€"and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

You can read the full KGB memo detailing Kennedy’s secret letter and request for electoral intervention here.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/07/remember_when_ted_kennedy_asked_the_soviets_for_help_defeating_reagan.html

[ItsOver]

The Rooskies helped elect Trump?  Thanks, now I know where to send my thank you note.

[Yorkshire pud]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but why the outrage of possible Russian interference in the 2016 election? When Ted Kennedy actually attempted it - it was OK?

Isn't it only reasonable that such things shouldn't happen again? Was the source for Kennedy the CIA? Trump has said the CIA are making it up.

The crap too about him saying the CIA said there were wmd in Iraq. They didn't say that. In fact they told the Bush administration the source of the speculation was very suspect (see French, German and UK INTEL) and therefore could not be relied upon to be accurate. Bush's circle ignored it and we all know what happened next.

Trump is an idiot. A dangerous idiot, who is way over his head. Any adult(!) who owned a company and twittered they would disregard the opinions and advice of the managers running it, would see stock value haemoraging. This loon is basically telllng the world he knows best about everything and if anyone disagrees, he'll attempt to fire them!

He's less like Hitler and more like Saladin, who cut down the messenger who told him the Christians were coming. The Christians came after all.

[Yorkshire pud]

The Rooskies helped elect Trump?  Thanks, now I know where to send my thank you note.

And if they hacked the election, what else do you imagine they may have hacked? Power generating computers? Your bank details? You think hackers stop at one thing?

[pyewacket]

FBI Disputes CIA's "Fuzzy And Ambiguous" Claims That Russia Sought To Influence Presidential Election

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-12/fbi-disputes-cias-fuzzy-and-ambiguous-claims-russia-sought-influence-presidential-el

The FBI did not corroborate the CIA’s claim that Russia had a hand in the election of President-elect Donald Trump in a meeting with lawmakers last week.

A senior FBI counterintelligence official met with Republican and Democrat members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in order to give the bureau’s view of a recent CIA report. The official did not concur with the CIA, frustrating Democrats.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/12/12/fbi-disagrees-cia-russian-influence-presidential-election-422763

[Yorkshire pud]

FBI Disputes CIA's "Fuzzy And Ambiguous" Claims That Russia Sought To Influence Presidential Election

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-12/fbi-disputes-cias-fuzzy-and-ambiguous-claims-russia-sought-influence-presidential-el

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/12/12/fbi-disagrees-cia-russian-influence-presidential-election-422763

Ahhh, so the FBI are accurate, but the CIA aren't?

[Dr. MD MD]

And if they hacked the election, what else do you imagine they may have hacked? Power generating computers? Your bank details? You think hackers stop at one thing?

Yeah, yeah...we're smart enough to realize that a lot of this bullshit being spun is coming from GB because it's you guys you are itching to go to war with Russia. You just can't do it yourself because they outnumber you 10 to 1 so, once again, you're trying to drag us into another one of your world wars. We're not falling for it this time so you'll just have to fight them yourself, pud. You're a tough guy. I'm sure it won't be too much of a problem for you. 

[Yorkshire pud]

Yeah, yeah...we're smart enough to realize that a lot of this bullshit being spun is coming from GB because it's you guys you are itching to go to war with Russia. You just can't do it yourself because they outnumber you 10 to 1 so, once again, you're trying to drag us into another one of your world wars. We're not falling for it this time so you'll just have to fight them yourself, pud. You're a tough guy. I'm sure it won't be too much of a problem for you. 

Do you get let out without supervision?  And this 'we'? You're the spokessockpuppet for 320 million Americans?

[Dr. MD MD]

Do you get let out without supervision?  And this 'we'? You're the spokessockpuppet for 320 million Americans?

Yeah, WE tend to think bigger over here, you sycophantic queen whore. 

[Yorkshire pud]

Yeah, WE tend to think bigger over here, you sycophantic queen whore. 

Bigger as in waist measurements, that's a given.

[Dr. MD MD]

Bigger as in waist measurements, that's a given.

No, bigger as in more teeth. 

[Yorkshire pud]

No, bigger as in more teeth. 

I'll leave it for others to point out your crap grammar.

[Dr. MD MD]

I'll leave it for others to point out your crap grammar.

Well, at least you're consistent in your disingenuousness.

[Yorkshire pud]

Well, at least you're consistent in your disingenuousness.

You circumvent comment about Trump ignoring and berating the CIA by going into your default 'queen' comments; and post a meme to try and score something?  All the more ironic when the meme mentions reality.  . The reality is, Trump is fucking with you, and you can't even see it.

Seriously, are you mentally ill?