President Donald J. Trump

[Dr. MD MD]

You lot should start your own podcast and call it Plane Talk. 

[Taaroa]

didnt some brit, find a shit load of new spitfires buried in Burma a few years ago?

They found some, but not all of them.

Biden says he's going to run for Pres in 2020 when he'll be 79. Yeah, that's all we need in the white house: a creepy, senile old pedophile.   :

He probably should've just run this year, but I guess he was still having issues after his son died

[Taaroa]

You lot should start your own podcast and call it Plane Talk. 

The Cock Pit

[Dr. MD MD]

They found some, but not all of them.
He probably should've just run this year, but I guess he was still having issues after his son died?

Also, he seemed obsessed with taking Trump out back. That might be something he needs to do some soul searching about. 

[Yorkshire pud]

didnt some brit, find a shit load of new spitfires buried in Burma a few years ago?

No. A shed load of money poured into the research and dig, but they came up with zilch I understand.

[albrecht]

I don't blame her because she has been fed this stuff by the media for many years.  She strikes me as a bit gullible but that is ok.  I want to clarify my stance on this whole business.  I'm for examining the causes of any warming that may be going on but my skepticism goes through the roof when politicians try to make it a political issue so they can raise taxes and go overboard on regulations.  Clearly in the case of the whole 97% business, they have been disingenuous. I don't like fearmongering which is something Gore has been engaged in for far too long.  I do worry about ecological issues.  For example, I worry about the mass deforestation of the Amazon river basin.   I worry about the leakage from Fukushima into the Pacific.  These are things to worry about.

My concern also (besides the new taxes/regulations and opportunities for speculators to create another finanicial bubble in carbon credit schemes) is that the "warming" takes attention away from real or specific problems that could be actually "fixable" and that humans directly cause without much debate by scientists or public (over-fishing, disposal of nuclear waste, bad forestry, poaching, badly designed garbage dumps, heavy metal pollution, etc.) Even if humans are a cause of the "warming" and we ignore the sun or natural events such a huge, global problem on a planet, that contrary to Al Gore Jr, is constantly changing and has changed a lot even BEFORE there were humans is crazy. Instead we should focus on things we can directly fix AND use technology to "beat," or even take advantage, of the "warming" or whatever earth changes is coming down the pike.

[norland2424]

No. A shed load of money poured into the research and dig, but they came up with zilch I understand.

now thats a real shame

[CornyCrow]

The bleaching of the coral reef is caused by warmer waters caused by warming.  The jury is still out as to whether the planet has been warming due to natural climate change or has been influenced by man and CO2.  To correct the record,only 97% of the actively published climate scientists agree not 97% of the world's scientists.

I refer you to the below article which is responsible for clarifying this error.  They rate it as mostly true but another site could say with the same facts that it is mostly false.

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/apr/04/don-beyer/don-beyer-says-97-percent-scientists-believe-human/

I further invite you to peruse this Forbes article where I've taken a section from that clarifies things even further.


How do we know the 97% agree?

To elaborate, how was that proven?

Almost no one who refers to the 97% has any idea, but the basic way it works is that a researcher reviews a lot of scholarly papers and classifies them by how many agree with a certain position.

Unfortunately, in the case of 97% of climate scientists agreeing that human beings are the main cause of warming, the researchers have engaged in egregious misconduct.

One of the main papers behind the 97 percent claim is authored by John Cook, who runs the popular website SkepticalScience.com, a virtual encyclopedia of arguments trying to defend predictions of catastrophic climate change from all challenges.

Here is Cook’s summary of his paper: “Cook et al. (2013) found that over 97 percent [of papers he surveyed] endorsed the view that the Earth is warming up and human emissions of greenhouse gases are the main cause.”

This is a fairly clear statementâ€"97 percent of the papers surveyed endorsed the view that man-made greenhouse gases were the main causeâ€"main in common usage meaning more than 50 percent.

But even a quick scan of the paper reveals that this is not the case. Cook is able to demonstrate only that a relative handful endorse “the view that the Earth is warming up and human emissions of greenhouse gases are the main cause.” Cook calls this “explicit endorsement with quantification” (quantification meaning 50 percent or more). The problem is, only a small percentage of the papers fall into this category; Cook does not say what percentage, but when the study was publicly challenged by economist David Friedman, one observer calculated that only 1.6 percent explicitly stated that man-made greenhouse gases caused at least 50 percent of global warming.

Where did most of the 97 percent come from, then? Cook had created a category called “explicit endorsement without quantification”â€"that is, papers in which the author, by Cook’s admission, did not say whether 1 percent or 50 percent or 100 percent of the warming was caused by man. He had also created a category called “implicit endorsement,” for papers that imply (but don’t say) that there is some man-made global warming and don’t quantify it. In other words, he created two categories that he labeled as endorsing a view that they most certainly didn’t.

The 97 percent claim is a deliberate misrepresentation designed to intimidate the publicâ€"and numerous scientists whose papers were classified by Cook protested:

“Cook survey included 10 of my 122 eligible papers. 5/10 were rated incorrectly. 4/5 were rated as endorse rather than neutral.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/2/#6777263526d6

There are studies upon studies making such a claim.  There is also agreement among the majority of WORLD scientists about our influencing the weather adversely.  Studies to the contrary are often found to be funded from suspicious sources, often by the Koch bros.  This is a world-wide agreement of countries and scientists.  You are claiming that they are all wrong.  I say the studies to the contrary are misdirected - wishful thinking. 

Climate change is not the only thing we are screwing up, though.  We cause undrinkable water, sink holes, earthquakes - we are responsible for much of the water problems in Brasil.  There are just too many of us, and all aspire to a Western middle class lifestyle. 

China is investing in clean energy technology research.  India, I'm afraid, seems lost. 

[21st Century Man]

My concern also (besides the new taxes/regulations and opportunities for speculators to create another finanicial bubble in carbon credit schemes) is that the "warming" takes attention away from real or specific problems that could be actually "fixable" and that humans directly cause without much debate by scientists or public (over-fishing, disposal of nuclear waste, bad forestry, poaching, badly designed garbage dumps, heavy metal pollution, etc.) Even if humans are a cause of the "warming" and we ignore the sun or natural events such a huge, global problem on a planet, that contrary to Al Gore Jr, is constantly changing and has changed a lot even BEFORE there were humans is crazy. Instead we should focus on things we can directly fix AND use technology to "beat," or even take advantage, of the "warming" or whatever earth changes is coming down the pike.

Exactly. The problem with that when it comes to the politicians is they don't want to focus on problems that can be addressed and corrected.  They want to focus their attention on some pie-in-the-sky theory that they can milk for decades maybe even centuries.  That way they can keep the money coming into the government from carbon taxes and the like for ages to come.

[21st Century Man]

There are studies upon studies making such a claim.  There is also agreement among the majority of WORLD scientists about our influencing the weather adversely.  Studies to the contrary are often found to be funded from suspicious sources, often by the Koch bros.  This is a world-wide agreement of countries and scientists.  You are claiming that they are all wrong.  I say the studies to the contrary are misdirected - wishful thinking. 

Climate change is not the only thing we are screwing up, though.  We cause undrinkable water, sink holes, earthquakes - we are responsible for much of the water problems in Brasil.  There are just too many of us, and all aspire to a Western middle class lifestyle. 

China is investing in clean energy technology research.  India, I'm afraid, seems lost.

Did you even bother to read the links I posted?  It is not the consensus of the world's scientists but published climate scientists and if you read the second link even that is dubious.  If you have any links, please provide them. 

You and I probably agree about the problems facing the Amazon river basin and many other ecological issues.  Those can be addressed and should be but I fear they won't.

[CornyCrow]

My concern also (besides the new taxes/regulations and opportunities for speculators to create another finanicial bubble in carbon credit schemes) is that the "warming" takes attention away from real or specific problems that could be actually "fixable" and that humans directly cause without much debate by scientists or public (over-fishing, disposal of nuclear waste, bad forestry, poaching, badly designed garbage dumps, heavy metal pollution, etc.) Even if humans are a cause of the "warming" and we ignore the sun or natural events such a huge, global problem on a planet, that contrary to Al Gore Jr, is constantly changing and has changed a lot even BEFORE there were humans is crazy. Instead we should focus on things we can directly fix AND use technology to "beat," or even take advantage, of the "warming" or whatever earth changes is coming down the pike.

UNLESS people like Stephen Hawking are correct, and our screwing with the carbon in the atmosphere has already reached the tipping point and at this point there is no reversal possible.  Oh, is Hawking on the take from some Koch brothers endeavor?

[CornyCrow]

Exactly. The problem with that when it comes to the politicians is they don't want to focus on problems that can be addressed and corrected.  They want to focus their attention on some pie-in-the-sky theory that they can milk for decades maybe even centuries.  That way they can keep the money coming into the government from carbon taxes and the like for ages to come.

Yep, it's a vast conspiracy by scientists and politicians all around the globe.  THAT really seems to make sense.  NOT!

[albrecht]

UNLESS people like Stephen Hawking are correct, and our screwing with the carbon in the atmosphere has already reached the tipping point and at this point there is no reversal possible.  Oh, is Hawking on the take from some Koch brothers endeavor?

If true that makes my point. Let's focus on the possible benefits of the "warming" and on technology so that we, and other species, survive it. And focus on the things that humans demonstrable effect that we can change instead of thinking we can change the entire earth's system or the sun (which existed, and believe-it-or-not, even had changes in climate BEFORE humans existed!)

[Yorkshire pud]

Re: Trump and AF1. He tweeted (like he does all his policies), and the share price at Boeing fell. I wonder what trading was done in Boeing in the few minutes before the tweet? And by whom.  :

[21st Century Man]

Yep, it's a vast conspiracy by scientists and politicians all around the globe.  THAT really seems to make sense.  NOT!

Yeah, let's believe politicians. :  As to the scientists, see the previous post.  Also adding to that is the fact that they really love government grant money.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yeah, let's believe politicians. :  As to the scientists, see the previous post.  Also add to that is they really love government grant money.

Put your trust in conspiracy theory websites: you know it maks sense.

[albrecht]

Re: Trump and AF1. He tweeted (like he does all his policies), and the share price at Boeing fell. I wonder what trading was done in Boeing in the few minutes before the tweet? And by whom.  :

Claimed he sold off all his shares in various companies in June. Though apparently there is no law that says a President must do so, just publicly state what shares (over $1000) he owns (STOCK Act.) Also only applies once he is President. He can do whatever he wishes now, apparently.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-sold-all-shares-in-companies-in-june-spokesman-says/2016/12/06/55419d44-bbcf-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.c35c01a17747

[21st Century Man]

Put your trust in conspiracy theory websites: you know it maks sense.

Nah, I'm not into that stuff.  You don't see me commenting much in the Pizzagate thread, do you?  There's a reason for that.

[albrecht]

Yeah, let's believe politicians. :  As to the scientists, see the previous post.  Also adding to that is the fact that they really love government grant money.

Personally I trust politicians and Hollywood barons who have multiple grand estates and claim to care about the "warming" and then fly their personal jets halfway across the world to booze it up and have lavish meals of food caught, grown, or raised in some other part of the world and flown in for their banquet and their banker buddies who want yet another commodity with which to speculate and create financial bubbles.

[Yorkshire pud]

Claimed he sold off all his shares in various companies in June. Though apparently there is no law that says a President must do so, just publicly state what shares (over $1000) he owns (STOCK Act.) Also only applies once he is President. He can do whatever he wishes now, apparently.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-sold-all-shares-in-companies-in-june-spokesman-says/2016/12/06/55419d44-bbcf-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.c35c01a17747

Insider trading is illegal. He may have sold his shares, but his team? Family? Tweeting policy before any official statement and procedure is ridiculous. I can imagine the fuckwit tweeting that he wants to bomb China.

[21st Century Man]

Personally I trust politicians and Hollywood barons who have multiple grand estates and claim to care about the "warming" and then fly their personal jets halfway across the world to booze it up and have lavish meals of food caught, grown, or raised in some other part of the world and flown in for their banquet and their banker buddies who want yet another commodity with which to speculate and create financial bubbles.

LOL.  You and I are definitely on the same wavelength.

[ItsOver]

Personally I trust politicians and Hollywood barons who have multiple grand estates and claim to care about the "warming" and then fly their personal jets halfway across the world to booze it up and have lavish meals of food caught, grown, or raised in some other part of the world and flown in for their banquet and their banker buddies who want yet another commodity with which to speculate and create financial bubbles.

Hahaha, makes sense to me.  If you can't trust Dicrapio, who can you trust.

[ItsOver]

... I can imagine the fuckwit tweeting that he wants to bomb China.

[ItsOver]

Wounding..very wounding . ... Okay, I'm over it now.

21st and Chefist will be upset you called them out on their cock talk though. I know I was, for a short while anyway.

Not to worry, YP, you'll always have the sweet love of BellGab.  Praise MV and pass the Bobo.

[Yorkshire pud]

Not to worry, YP, you'll always have the sweet love of BellGab.  Praise MV and pass the Bobo.

It means everything.. 

[ItsOver]

It means everything.. 

http://youtu.be/scSZ7EGUcrU

[GuerrillaUnReal]

http://youtu.be/scSZ7EGUcrU

   

My man. That would be an amazing dude to drink with. I hope I'm that cool at that age.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

You have to give YP credit. I don't think there's a more polar opposite to this this board but YP has a valid opinion, a sense of humor and doesn't make things personal despite all the abuse he takes. There's some days I want to reach through the screen and slap him upside the head but he's a pretty solid person.

[ItsOver]

   

My man. That would be an amazing dude to drink with. I hope I'm that cool at that age.

No shit.  Get down!

[ItsOver]

You have to give YP credit. I don't think there's a more polar opposite to this this board but YP has a valid opinion, a sense of humor and doesn't make things personal despite all the abuse he takes. There's some days I want to reach through the screen and slap him upside the head but he's a pretty solid person.

Nailed it, VQ.  All hail The Pud.