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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

Designx

Think about this: if the Republicans can't win in November against the worst possible choice the Democrats could put up, the party is done for - it should disband and soul search into what can make them electable again.
Republicans do well in certain specific regions of the country but as an overall representative of the nation, they continually fail. This is due to the continual and in recent years accelerated move to the left the country has been making on social issues. If Obama and the Fed can maintain a steady yet somewhat crappy economy into November, I really don't know what the Republicans will do. I see them getting on their knees praying for a terrorist attack.

Quote from: Designx on February 27, 2016, 02:42:51 PM
Think about this: if the Republicans can't win in November against the worst possible choice the Democrats could put up, the party is done for - it should disband and soul search into what can make them electable again.
Republicans do well in certain specific regions of the country but as an overall representative of the nation, they continually fail. This is due to the continual and in recent years accelerated move to the left the country has been making on social issues. If Obama and the Fed can maintain a steady yet somewhat crappy economy into November, I really don't know what the Republicans will do. I see them getting on their knees praying for a terrorist attack.

Yeah exactly, I agree with this. We wouldn't be having this socialism bullshit and such far pull to the left if the Republicans weren't a completely dysfunctional meaningless organization. Their inability to adapt to the times has made them completely irrelevant and now they're like the Washington Generals to the Harlem Globetrotters.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: VoteQuimby on February 27, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Out of all the Republicans, Trump's opinions on foreign policy are the only ones that sound reasonable and don't scare the bejeezus out of me. Cruz and Rubio come across like blithering morons in these matters to me. What would committing tens of thousand American "boots on the ground" possibly accomplish in that shithole?

That's what amazes me. Their foreign policy in regards to Syria is identical to that of Hillary Clinton and nobody seems to notice this little problem. It is INSANE to suggest that we set up a potential confrontation point with Russia just so we can hopefully get some kind of rebel group to take over Syria. The only two sane people on the political stage right now as far as foreign policy are Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

GravitySucks

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
Because it`s their job to know it. Think about it. These guys are career  politicians. It`s all they do 24 hours/day. They know foreign policy, they know how the government works, and they know what it takes to get things done. Some are better than others, obviously. Ted Cruz has the brain power to handle the rigors of running this massive bureaucracy and still be able to right the course. And we know he will not circumvent the Constitution in order to pursue some kooky ideological agenda.

Cruz was Solicitor General until 2013 when he took office in his first term as Senator. Rubio was a state representative (Florida does not have an army) until he took office in his first term as Senator in 2011.  Neither of these men have any executive experience. Senators do not have the experience to be a President, especially first term senators.

Like SciFi said, I am not sure anyone does have the right experience. If you are going to go by who knows the job best, then, hey, let's recruit Biden.

Trump knows how to hire key executives. He will do just like Reagan did. Surround himself with the brightest people and manage the executive office. No one else has the executive experience that Trump has.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 27, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
That's what amazes me. Their foreign policy in regards to Syria is identical to that of Hillary Clinton and nobody seems to notice this little problem. It is INSANE to suggest that we set up a potential confrontation point with Russia just so we can hopefully get some kind of rebel group to take over Syria. The only two sane people on the political stage right now as far as foreign policy are Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

As much as I hate to admit it, I'm warming towards Sanders a little bit. A TrumpNasty/Carson ticket is still my biggest hope. But I think Sanders would make the federal government so dysfunctional that it'd create such a bonanza with all the corruption. I think the money making opportunities would be amazing. Also I'm intrigued by the Burn This Motherfucker Down aspect a Sanders Administration would bring.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 27, 2016, 02:45:27 PM
That's what amazes me. Their foreign policy in regards to Syria is identical to that of Hillary Clinton and nobody seems to notice this little problem. It is INSANE to suggest that we set up a potential confrontation point with Russia just so we can hopefully get some kind of rebel group to take over Syria. The only two sane people on the political stage right now as far as foreign policy are Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

Why are you so terrified of the Russians? Trust me, their military sucks. They have nothing but a two-bit former KGB puke that plays Obama like a fiddle.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Designx on February 27, 2016, 02:42:51 PM
Think about this: if the Republicans can't win in November against the worst possible choice the Democrats could put up, the party is done for - it should disband and soul search into what can make them electable again.
Republicans do well in certain specific regions of the country but as an overall representative of the nation, they continually fail. This is due to the continual and in recent years accelerated move to the left the country has been making on social issues. If Obama and the Fed can maintain a steady yet somewhat crappy economy into November, I really don't know what the Republicans will do. I see them getting on their knees praying for a terrorist attack.

That worries me too. Obama received less votes in 2012 than he did in 2008 and he still won. The GOP could not defeat the community organizer, even when he failed to get the vote out in the way he did in 2008. He got 4 million less votes in 2012 and still beat Romney.

GravitySucks

I am sure that Trump is already trying to figure out who is VP candidate will be.

Last night I gave it some thought about who he might select.  The following list is in no particular order of preference, just the names I came up with. Each of them makes sense to me, but all for different reasons.

J. C. Watts
Allen West
Christine Todd Whitman
John Kasich
Jan Brewer
Chris Christie


I was going to add Rick Perry, but I am still pissed at him.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 27, 2016, 02:52:35 PM
That worries me too. Obama received less votes in 2012 than he did in 2008 and he still won. The GOP could not defeat the community organizer, even when he failed to get the vote out in the way he did in 2008. He got 4 million less votes in 2012 and still beat Romney.


You think a lot of voters stayed home when Romney ran? Just wait until Trump is nominated. He`ll have the lowest turn out in 20 years and Hillary will be President.

GravitySucks

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 02:58:21 PM

You think a lot of voters stayed home when Romney ran? Just wait until Trump is nominated. He`ll have the lowest turn out in 20 years and Hillary will be President.

Then they get what they deserve, just like they got what they deserved with Obama's second term.


starrmtn001

I tend to lean toward Trump, especially when I consider the field in both parties.  But there is one thing that troubles me.  His stand on eminent domain.  No, I don't own property, but that doesn't matter. 

I, also believe Trump is sincere about putting America back on Her feet, and I'm with him 100% on that.  But there are a couple subtle things that bother me and I'm going to need to do some research before I decide where I want to stand.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 02:51:15 PM
Why are you so terrified of the Russians? Trust me, their military sucks. They have nothing but a two-bit former KGB puke that plays Obama like a fiddle.

I'm not concerned with Russia's military, I'm concerned with their nuclear weapons and ramping down tensions with Putin and get back to negotiating with him instead of screwing around with a mini-cold war. If we were talking about, say, Finland or Poland getting occupied by Russia I would say, yes, confront. But Syria is not worth that. It's a desert shithole full of people that hate us.

starrmtn001

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 27, 2016, 01:45:02 PM
John McCain sucks worse than Noory. As does his boyfriend, Lindsey Graham.
+1 to infinity.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 27, 2016, 03:00:23 PM
I'm not concerned with Russia's military, I'm concerned with their nuclear weapons and ramping down tensions with Putin and get back to negotiating with him instead of screwing around with a mini-cold war. If we were talking about, say, Finland or Poland getting occupied by Russia I would say, yes, confront. But Syria is not worth that. It's a desert shithole full of people that hate us.

Yeah exactly, there's literally nothing to gain from fucking around over there with conventional military. Let Russian Afghanistan themselves there. What difference does it make?

Quote from: starrmtn001 on February 27, 2016, 02:59:46 PM
I tend to lean toward Trump, especially when I consider the field in both parties.  But there is one thing that troubles me.  His stand on eminent domain.  No, I don't own property, but that doesn't matter. 

I, also believe Trump is sincere about putting America back on Her feet, and I'm with him 100% on that.  But there are a couple subtle things that bother me and I'm going to need to do some research before I decide where I want to stand.


Dana Loesch is a person for whom I have a great deal of respect. Some of us on twitter asked her why she is so adamantly against Trump. This was her reply.  You might find it interesting:

http://danaloeschradio.com/how-i-came-to-my-opinion-on-donald-trump

I think we should enter into an alliance with Putin regarding ISIS. Forget Assad.  He's not our problem. I know Cruz doesn't feel that way about Assad but he's not as gung-ho as McCain and Graham.  I think Cruz can be convinced that going against Assad is a stupid move. I also think Cruz is far more reluctant than Rubio to actually put ground troops into the Middle East.  Cruz would rather carpet-bomb ISIS, arm the Kurds and only if the Kurds needed assistance would we then put some ground troops into the situation.

Those beasts in ISIS need to be stopped from raping and killing not to mention the destruction they bring to historical places and artifacts.  World history is being destroyed.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
Ted Cruz has the brain power



Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
And we know he will not circumvent the Constitution in order to pursue some kooky ideological agenda.

What about his vote on the amendment S. 954 (Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2013) to permit states to require that any food, beverage, or other edible product offered for sale have a label on indicating that the food, beverage, or other edible product contains a genetically engineered ingredient?  The federal government does not have the constitutional authority to prevent states from enacting their own product-labeling requirements.  You overlooked that one, didn't you?

Or how about his vote on H.R. 1314 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide for a right to an administrative appeal relating to adverse determinations of tax-exempt status of certain organizations?  That facilitates the subordination of the national independence of the United States to regional trading blocs, a power that is not granted to any branch of government in the Constitution.  Where's your Constitutional god now?

I could go on and on.  The man wipes his ass with the Constitution.  Trump can afford his own toilet paper.

Value Of Pi

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 27, 2016, 02:31:46 PM
I think it makes him more pragmatic. In regards to Ukraine, the fact is Putin won. Anything else in foreign policy, short of a war, will just be lip service because he's not going to give it up. In regards to Syria, it was already under Russian influence long before this all began. The objective should be to create stability, not chaos, and our policy with Syria so far has been to create chaos and hope that in the process the Assad regime gets ousted by the right group of rebels. That is not sound policy. We should let Putin defeat ISIS and the other groups in Syria and stabilize that country while we focus on defeating ISIS in Iraq and restoring stability there. 

The responsible policy would have been to never allow it to reach the brink of nuclear war to begin with, but instead a series of irresponsible events took place on both sides that set us up for confrontation. The only reason we are here now is not because of Kennedy, but because of a submarine officer named Vasili Arkipov who refused to fire a nuclear tipped torpedo at a US ship. Kennedy would not be so highly looked upon today if we were wandering around in a nuclear wasteland which damned nearly happened. Ensuring that the bay of pigs worked would have been Kennedy's best policy decision.

We are at the stage with Russia in Syria where we can avert any sort of potential nuclear conflict by not imposing a no-fly zone. We do not need to be ratcheting up tension just to support John McCain's rebel groups. The only candidates that seem cognizant of this are Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

Honestly, I don't think anyone is qualified to be POTUS. It's a job where anyone is going have to wing it because of the extraordinary nature of it.

Putin hasn't won in Ukraine. He's occupying Crimea and his thugs are occupying the East. You could much more easily state that the USSR won when they established the Iron Curtain and ruled Eastern Europe. That phase in history turned out to be fairly short, thanks mainly to the U.S. continually pushing back against and pressuring the Soviets.

As for Cuba, that was just one instance when the Russians were ready to let their nukes fly but didn't. Somebody always had an attack of sanity, in the knowledge that they and theirs would die in the retaliatory strike. Not heroism but self-preservation. As always, they did their thing, we did ours, and we won -- sometimes on the spot, other times in the long run.

Syria is too complicated to sum up in a paragraph, but some people are better equipped than others to navigate through this mess and maintain U.S. interests in the region.


SciFiAuthor

Quote from: VoteQuimby on February 27, 2016, 02:51:15 PM
As much as I hate to admit it, I'm warming towards Sanders a little bit. A TrumpNasty/Carson ticket is still my biggest hope. But I think Sanders would make the federal government so dysfunctional that it'd create such a bonanza with all the corruption. I think the money making opportunities would be amazing. Also I'm intrigued by the Burn This Motherfucker Down aspect a Sanders Administration would bring.

I'm thinking it's probably going to be Trump/Christie vs. Hillary/?. I wouldn't vote for Bernie, I'm too far to the right of him for that, but at least he's shaking things up on that side. It's actually a very healthy thing to see, both parties getting shook up by outside elements.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 02:51:15 PM
Why are you so terrified of the Russians? Trust me, their military sucks. They have nothing but a two-bit former KGB puke that plays Obama like a fiddle.


SciFiAuthor

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 03:04:56 PM

Dana Loesch is a person for whom I have a great deal of respect. Some of us on twitter asked her why she is so adamantly against Trump. This was her reply.  You might find it interesting:

http://danaloeschradio.com/how-i-came-to-my-opinion-on-donald-trump

Dana Loesch is St. Louis' way of apologizing for producing George Noory. I've always liked her. Plus she's hot. I disagree with her on Trump however.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 27, 2016, 03:00:23 PM
I'm not concerned with Russia's military, I'm concerned with their nuclear weapons and ramping down tensions with Putin and get back to negotiating with him instead of screwing around with a mini-cold war. If we were talking about, say, Finland or Poland getting occupied by Russia I would say, yes, confront. But Syria is not worth that. It's a desert shithole full of people that hate us.

Oh come on. Really? You think Russia is going to nuke us if we stand up to Putin?? Paaaalllleeeeeeeaaaasssssee. Putin is a little chump dictator who has nothing but a crumbling economy and a broken-down, rusted military with a bunch of vodka swilling conscripts to run it. But if you roll over and show him your soft underbelly, like Obama is fond of doing, he`ll just keep that paper tiger roaring.

We MUST be the leader on the world stage. If we aren`t, then we acquiesce to Russian and Chinese influence and, I assure you, that is a VERY VERY bad thing for us and our allies.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 03:12:21 PM
Oh come on. Really? You think Russia is going to nuke us if we stand up to Putin?? Paaaalllleeeeeeeaaaasssssee. Putin is a little chump dictator who has nothing but a crumbling economy and a broken-down, rusted military with a bunch of vodka swilling conscripts to run it. But if you roll over and show him your soft underbelly, like Obama is fond of doing, he`ll just keep that paper tiger roaring.

We MUST be the leader on the world stage. If we aren`t, then we acquiesce to Russian and Chinese influence and, I assure you, that is a VERY VERY bad thing for us and our allies.


Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 27, 2016, 03:06:42 PM
I'm thinking it's probably going to be Trump/Christie vs. Hillary/?. I wouldn't vote for Bernie, I'm too far to the right of him for that, but at least he's shaking things up on that side. It's actually a very healthy thing to see, both parties getting shook up by outside elements.

I find myself agreeing with Bernie on several issues especially the corrupting influence big business has had on our political system.  I also think Bernie is sincere in his beliefs which is a nice change from the usual political hack.  He would be a lousy President but I sort of like the guy.


starrmtn001

I've got the solution!  I'll write in one of youz guyz!  ;D

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: Value Of Pi on February 27, 2016, 03:06:03 PM
Putin hasn't won in Ukraine. He's occupying Crimea and his thugs are occupying the East. You could much more easily state that the USSR won when they established the Iron Curtain and ruled Eastern Europe. That phase in history turned out to be fairly short, thanks mainly to the U.S. continually pushing back against and pressuring the Soviets.

He's occupying it and no one is willing to head in there and kick him out. He won.

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As for Cuba, that was just one instance when the Russians were ready to let their nukes fly but didn't. Somebody always had an attack of sanity, in the knowledge that they and theirs would die in the retaliatory strike. Not heroism but self-preservation. As always, they did their thing, we did ours, and we won -- sometimes on the spot, other times in the long run.

It's actually pretty amazing that we survived the cold war.

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Syria is too complicated to sum up in a paragraph, but some people are better equipped than others to navigate through this mess and maintain U.S. interests in the region.

I'm not sure what interests we have in Syria. We don't need more oil on the market and they have nothing else of interest. Assad is bad for Israel, but Israel is more than capable of dealing with Syria. What's in our interest is stability, yet we continue to hold a policy of destabilization.

WOTR

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 02:58:21 PM

You think a lot of voters stayed home when Romney ran? Just wait until Trump is nominated. He`ll have the lowest turn out in 20 years and Hillary will be President.
I really hate to disagree.  As distasteful as I find Trump- if it comes down to him or Hillary it would be the ONLY thing that would get me out voting this time. There is some kind of a sliding hatred scale where voting for Trump appears to be plausible when the alternative is Hillary walking away with it...

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2016, 03:12:21 PM
Oh come on. Really? You think Russia is going to nuke us if we stand up to Putin?? Paaaalllleeeeeeeaaaasssssee. Putin is a little chump dictator who has nothing but a crumbling economy and a broken-down, rusted military with a bunch of vodka swilling conscripts to run it. But if you roll over and show him your soft underbelly, like Obama is fond of doing, he`ll just keep that paper tiger roaring.

We MUST be the leader on the world stage. If we aren`t, then we acquiesce to Russian and Chinese influence and, I assure you, that is a VERY VERY bad thing for us and our allies.

Shouldn't you be asking god to help on this matter?  To give Putin ass cancer or something? 

And if god refuses to do anything about it, why should you defy his will?

Why do you hate god so much?

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 27, 2016, 03:09:17 PM
Dana Loesch is St. Louis' way of apologizing for producing George Noory. I've always liked her. Plus she's hot. I disagree with her on Trump however.

I'd hit it.

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