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Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 06, 2016, 01:11:45 PM
So far they've all been verified and no one has come forward to deny any of them.

Verified by whom? So far I've seen woo woo agree with Wikileaks.  As for coming forward to deny stuff; no-one has come forward to deny that whales can climb mountains; its just a given they can't.

Jackstar

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 06, 2016, 01:22:08 PM
Verified by whom?

I'm honestly puzzled--why would anyone bother to tell you?


Jackstar

Quote from: https://italkyoubored.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/what-really-really-happened-between-j-edgar-hoover-and-mlk-jr/A third line of attack deployed by Service A against Hoover was to accuse him of being a homosexual. The truth about Hoover’s probably severely repressed sexuality is unlikely ever to be known. Later, much-publicized claims that he was a gay cross-dresser whose wardrobe included a red dress and boa, which made him look like “an old flapper,” and a black dress, “very fluffy, with flounces, and lace stockings,” which he wore with a black curly wig, rest on little more than the discredited testimony of a convicted perjurer, Susan Rosenstiel, who claimed to have seen Hoover so attired.

massive rolleyes


Jackstar




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albrecht

Maybe Obama misunderstood her question somehow but it seems clear from his answer is that he is giving the go ahead for illegals and non-citizens to vote and not to worry the government won't come after you or prosecute you if you vote illegally. (Also note the heavy breathing presumably by the person who recorded this. It it hilarious.)

http://youtu.be/nfgEvgVC6Qs

Value Of Pi

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 06, 2016, 10:57:26 AM
They'll be circumspect with a Trump admin; no animosity to the US personnel in the agencies, as I'm sure there have been close relationships built up over the years; but the elephant is Trump. He can't be seen as understanding what he's told. Or how to act appropriately. I'm sure there are quite a few in the CIA etc who also feel the same way. Clinton, they know. They've dealt with her in the past. Better the devil you know.
You know fuck all.

As far as intelligence agencies are concerned, a national security risk is a national security risk even if it's sitting in the Oval Office. I would hope that these agencies handle things as they need to.

In the end, these Americans officials will have sworn allegiance to the nation and the Constitution, not to the Executive Branch. Foreign governments would follow their national interests strictly with very little trust in any promises coming out of the White House. People and institutions generally would do what they need to do in order to protect against what would be, in effect, a rogue president.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 06, 2016, 01:55:45 PM
As far as intelligence agencies are concerned, a national security risk is a national security risk even if it's sitting in the Oval Office. I would hope that these agencies handle things as they need to.

In the end, these Americans officials will have sworn allegiance to the nation and the Constitution, not to the Executive Branch. Foreign governments would follow their national interests strictly with very little trust in any promises coming out of the White House. People and institutions generally would do what they need to do in order to protect against what would be, in effect, a rogue president.

I think we've got a fledgling militia member here, folks! Sounds like sedition to me.  ;D

Jackstar

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 06, 2016, 01:55:45 PM
In the end, these Americans officials will have sworn allegiance to the nation and the Constitution, not to the Executive Branch.


QuoteTrilateral Commission. George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton. ...
Bohemian Club and The Family. George H.W. Bush, Herbert Hoover, Ronald Reagan. ...
Bilderberg Group. Bill Clinton, Gerald Ford. ...
Skull and Bones. George H.W. Bush, George W. ...
Flat Hat Club. Thomas Jefferson. ...
Freemasonry.

https://www.thrillist.com/culture/6-secret-societies-american-presidents-have-belonged-to



It's frankly embarrassing how little knowledge of the real world you represent.


albrecht

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 06, 2016, 01:55:45 PM
As far as intelligence agencies are concerned, a national security risk is a national security risk even if it's sitting in the Oval Office. I would hope that these agencies handle things as they need to.

In the end, these Americans officials will have sworn allegiance to the nation and the Constitution, not to the Executive Branch. Foreign governments would follow their national interests strictly with very little trust in any promises coming out of the White House. People and institutions generally would do what they need to do in order to protect against what would be, in effect, a rogue president.
How about making your maid, with no security clearances and a foreign national at that, print out classified emails and receive classified faxes, even from INSIDE the SCIF that was set-up in her estate. This included the Presidential Daily Brief, stuff about foreign policy, schedules herself and staff, schedules about foreign leader visits, her speeches, etc?
http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/clinton-directed-her-maid-to-print-out-classified-materials/

NowhereInTime

Quote from: albrecht on November 06, 2016, 02:05:49 PM
How about making your maid, with no security clearances and a foreign national at that, print out classified emails and receive classified faxes, even from INSIDE the SCIF that was set-up in her estate. This included the Presidential Daily Brief, stuff about foreign policy, schedules herself and staff, schedules about foreign leader visits, her speeches, etc?
http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/clinton-directed-her-maid-to-print-out-classified-materials/

Hey, Mr Build A Wall, where's your Sturm Und Drang handwringing about Melania working here illegally?

Where's all your garment rending about "border integrity"?


Quote from: NowhereInTime on November 06, 2016, 02:08:36 PM
Hey, Mr Build A Wall, where's your Sturm Und Drang handwringing about Melania working here illegally?

Where's all your garment rending about "border integrity"?

Bruh, if hot girls want to come to America and pose nude and/or seductively, that is the exception to the rule.

michio

Quote from: albrecht on November 06, 2016, 01:52:49 PM
Maybe Obama misunderstood her question somehow but it seems clear from his answer is that he is giving the go ahead for illegals and non-citizens to vote and not to worry the government won't come after you or prosecute you if you vote illegally. (Also note the heavy breathing presumably by the person who recorded this. It it hilarious.)

Pres. Obama did not say what Yodauto said he said in your video (COPD is a bitch). Yodauto was putting words into his mouth. In certain places non-citizens are allowed to vote in local elections, but non-citizens can't vote in federal elections. Look at the banner towards bottom of screen; "Pres. on non-citizen voting..."

http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

If you're found to have obtained your U.S. citizenship illegally and fraudulently, do you still have the right to vote in a federal election? Yodauto, answer you will.



albrecht

Quote from: michio on November 06, 2016, 02:36:27 PM
Pres. Obama did not say what Yodauto said he said in your video (COPD is a bitch). Yodauto was putting words into his mouth. In certain places non-citizens are allowed to vote in local elections, but non-citizens can't vote in federal elections. Look at the banner towards bottom of screen; "Pres. on non-citizen voting..."

http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

If you're found to have obtained your U.S. citizenship illegally and fraudulently, do you still have the right to vote in a federal election? Yodauto, answer you will.
The whole video makes it clearer though it was odd that Obama accepted her definition of a "citizen" (which included "DREAMERS" and illegals) and then said, correctly, that only citizens can vote in Federal elections. I've lived in some places where a non-citizen, but legal resident, could vote but only on local city elections and nothing national or legal referendums etc. It makes sense for things that effect them: local bond issues, local issues, etc since they own property and pay taxes and live in the neighborhood like everyone else.

Jackstar

Quote from: albrecht on November 06, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
they own property and pay taxes and live in the neighborhood like everyone else.

... everyone else is doing that illegally, as well? What a strange township.

Yorkshire pud

Hey, we know where Trump gets the stuff to tell his bretheren.

The rise and rise of fake news -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-37846860


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The deliberate making up of news stories to fool or entertain is nothing new. But the arrival of social media has meant real and fictional stories are now presented in such similar way that it can sometimes be difficult to tell the two apart.



Value Of Pi

Quote from: albrecht on November 06, 2016, 02:05:49 PM
How about making your maid, with no security clearances and a foreign national at that, print out classified emails and receive classified faxes, even from INSIDE the SCIF that was set-up in her estate. This included the Presidential Daily Brief, stuff about foreign policy, schedules herself and staff, schedules about foreign leader visits, her speeches, etc?
http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/clinton-directed-her-maid-to-print-out-classified-materials/

The security risks in a Trump administration would involve the decisions made and actions/statements made or taken -- and those omitted. Risks far more serious than the security lapses seen with Clinton.

albrecht

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 06, 2016, 03:07:24 PM
The security risks in a Trump administration would involve the decisions made and actions/statements made or taken -- and those omitted. Risks far more serious than the security lapses seen with Clinton.
You have nothing to base this on except speculation whereas under Clinton's watch we've had terrorist attacks on our soil (even though they 'were on the radar,' terrorism and crime all across Europe, an open-border so that anyone can waltz over for whatever purpose, and an invasion of Europe and humanitarian crisis in many areas due to a rampaging ISIS, Al Queda, "rebels," government forces and associated organizations to due Clinton's destabilization and war strategy. And her "reset button," which wasn't even translated correctly, failed and she has ramped up tensions with Russia higher than seen for many decades.

Jackstar

Quote from: Value Of Pi on November 06, 2016, 03:07:24 PM
Risks far more serious than the security lapses seen with Clinton.

That's really just your opinion.

Brody

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/they-finally-took-away-donald-trumps-twitter-account-1788636451?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Don’t worry, though. Trump’s still finding plenty of ways to screw himself over. Apparently, since Trump has never used a computer in his life, he’s been lashing out about “the campaign’s expenditure of tens of millions on digital ads, skeptical that spots he never sees could have any effect.”

In The New York Times today, a campaign report revealed that Trump’s Twitter account has officially been handed over to less volatile fingers in these crucial final days:

The contrasts pervade his campaign. Aides to Mr. Trump have finally wrested away the Twitter account that he used to colorfully â€" and often counterproductively â€" savage his rivals. But offline, Mr. Trump still privately muses about all of the ways he will punish his enemies after Election Day, including a threat to fund a “super PAC” with vengeance as its core mission.

Value Of Pi

Quote from: albrecht on November 06, 2016, 03:13:17 PM
You have nothing to base this on except speculation whereas under Clinton's watch we've had terrorist attacks on our soil (even though they 'were on the radar,' terrorism and crime all across Europe, an open-border so that anyone can waltz over for whatever purpose, and an invasion of Europe and humanitarian crisis in many areas due to a rampaging ISIS, Al Queda, "rebels," government forces and associated organizations to due Clinton's destabilization and war strategy. And her "reset button," which wasn't even translated correctly, failed and she has ramped up tensions with Russia higher than seen for many decades.

I base my statement on everything I've heard Trump say and everything I've read about him and his past behavior, plus the kinds of people he has surrounded himself with. That's all very damning.

With Clinton, you are blaming her for everything under the sun, most of which was not her fault. Just as one example, the reset with Russia was Obama's idea and Hillary never agreed with it. She tried to follow that policy until it inevitably fell apart.

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