Started by anagrammy, January 29, 2011, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: anagrammy on February 02, 2011, 07:10:22 AM1. The group is focused on a leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment. Typically, the leader is alive, but in some cases may be deceased, but his or her â€œmessageâ€ (belief system, ideology, touted practices) is still upheld as the Truth, as law......15. The most loyal members (the â€œtrue believersâ€) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group, believing there is no other way to be, and often fearing reprisals to self or others if they leave or even consider leaving the group.Anagrammy
Quote from: onan on February 02, 2011, 09:35:01 AMMy intentions are not meant to be argumentative, but I do not see any of the 15 points that do not pertain to other religions as well. Heck I am not a big fan of religion of any flavor. I almost feel like this has become a campaign and in my eyes that starts to erode credibility. Even the term cult itself raises the hair on my neck. I cannot count the number of protestants that over the years have not specified some other group as a cult and therefore needed some sort of fix or avoidance. Not everyone that gets into a mess is mentally ill and not everyone that lives a life different than ours is in trouble. The abuse of anyone should never be tolerated. But keep it about the abuse not the whacknut religion. Punish the criminal not the clothes.
Quote from: Marc Knight on February 02, 2011, 09:58:41 AM Existence is partly defined by relationships. Therefore, a potential cause of an effect cannot be ignored. I believe that our thoughts could intersect if you said that not all people are affected (behaviour) in the same way by the same cause (religion). Therefore, some practitioners of Mormanism exhibit empirically different behaviour than others, based on a common belief system. Hence, it can be posited that some people can be abusive because of their religious beliefs.
Quote from: anagrammy on February 14, 2011, 02:07:46 AMTo think that cults are about thought is like thinking recreational drugs are about nutrition, or that pot smokers are the same as heroin addicts. It is a gross oversimplification and, therefore, a distortion. There is far more than thought going on in religion; there is exploitation and certainly abuse of power.I just came back from a conference in St. George, Utah, where scholarly Mormons and exMormons were meeting to discuss DNA findings regarding the claims of the Book of Mormon and the geography of the Book of Mormon. Kinda like talking about the location of specific hills in Narnia, but whatever. It's a narrow interest and my friend and I had a great time in Dixie. I hope all of you heard the recent show about Scientology. The guest mentioned that he learned about the cosmology of Scientology from South Park. He hadn't paid enough to earn Theta levels high enough to be told about Xenos and the exploding spirits. Similarly, Mormons do not find out about their cosmology until the have been members a year and go through the temple. Family is barred from witnessing a Mormon wedding unless they are paid up for the full 10% of what they owe in tithing. So if you lost your job and your daughter is getting married, tough shit--pay up or wait outside. Nice. All religions are not the same. Period. They may share some characteristics, but they are quite different in their approach to channeling the power of god for money. That's what makes them interesting and also dangerous. People's vulnerability in this area calls for more transparency. Exploitation in any form is abuse and our government should be requiring anyone who collects your money for the power of god to flow into your life should at least have some accountability for how that tax-free money is spent. You and I are subsidizing all these churches and it pisses me off that the Mormons are using 4 Billion of it to build a Neiman-Marcus type elite shopping mall. That's what the world needs religion for, right. That's how we know they are really the Christians they claim to be. Strange, I thought Jesus wasn't so much into materialism. England requires transparency and I suspect that the only reason we don't is because our government is afraid we might expect some of that from them.Anagrammy
Quote from: Marc Knight on February 02, 2011, 09:58:41 AMHence, it can be posited that some people can be abusive because of their religious beliefs.
Quote from: b_dubb on February 16, 2011, 01:41:03 PMhttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/theater/20mormon.html?_r=1&hphere ya go Anagrammy. you're welcome
Quote from: anagrammy on February 16, 2011, 02:47:16 PMYeah, thanks a heap b_dubb, I am planning to go depending on how big or if I get an income tax refund. Some people here get upset with me for dissing the Mormon secrecy, lies and abuses, but I see myself as an equal opportunity religion comic. To me there is great entertainment in the weird beliefs people don't consider weird because we grew up with them. Like speaking in tongues, transubstantiation, ritual clothing and step-on-a-crack-you-break-your-mother's-back superstitious nonsense that people experience on Sunday and then show up on Monday as a software developer, or an engineer, or a politician with a very rational comefrom.The compartmentalization is just fascinating. I respect people that believe and ask them to respect my right to not believe and to (gasp) mock, rant or whatever, as my God-given right (teehee).Anagrammy
Quote from: anagrammy on February 16, 2011, 05:11:21 PMAn example I am still cycling through my head is the case of the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart. The case took like eight years to get to court and the real reason is that the setting was Utah culture. The attorney for Brian David Mitchell, the kidnapper, was ready to defend him with the expected defense of insanity HOWEVER ......how can you say a man who hears commands from god is crazy when you are living in a subculture where worthy priesthood holders are told from pulpits every Sunday that they, too, can hear the voice of god just like Joseph Smith? AND where the leaders claim to have a "Special Witness and Annointing" to their positions which includes a ritual in which they confirm they have had their "calling and election (as apostles) made sure (cinched the deal for heaven) or god will kill them first? Oh the cog dis circling the drain on that one!!!
Quote from: Do you think it was angels? on February 17, 2011, 12:02:19 AMEckhart Tolle! This week I spent hours on the Rick Ross web site reading about how he is a dangerous LGAT mind manipulator.
Quote from: Do you think it was angels? on February 17, 2011, 04:41:31 AMI'd never read Tolle and didn't have much opinion before reading Rick Ross. I do not like attacks against the ego, however. This is universally preached by ego-freak narcissists who run cults. Just as they preach celibacy (for peons like us) as they carry on with a harem of teens. No. I'm keeping my ego.
Quote from: onan on February 17, 2011, 06:29:31 AMNo one has a truck big enough to carry it away my friend
Quote from: anagrammy on February 19, 2011, 04:35:09 AMDarryl Vickers being interviewed by GNoory on Feb 15, Hour 3,VICKERS: Islaamic extremism is kind of...evil.GNOORY: Any religious extremism is evil.VIDKERS: Yes, but... Islaam claims the right to convert by force and to kill people who convert away. That's just wrong. And what about that poor girl who had a fatwa put on her and they were all set to kill her when they found out she was a virgin. Their solution was to rape her before they killed her, so they would not be shedding "innocent" blood.The idea that all religions are equally corrupt or equally good is ridiculous and is the very political correct blindness that keeps us from having intelligent conversations about what it means to be free to practice your religion vs. the right of people not to be murdered for violating the beliefs of the religion of others.Anagrammy