Started by anagrammy, January 29, 2011, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: anagrammy on January 29, 2011, 12:56:45 PMNotice his rally had the flavor of a religious meeting "Bring America Back to God."
Quote from: b_dubb on January 29, 2011, 11:11:15 PM@ Ana ... i like to think of Mormonism as the Ol' Timey Scientology. they're just as crazy except they got a much earlier start at being crazy
Quote from: slipstream on January 29, 2011, 11:47:40 PMWhat makes Mormons any more or less crazy than any other set of religionists?
Quote from: b_dubb on January 30, 2011, 12:10:34 AMby degrees. the mormons require people of color to get blood transfusions from white mormons in order to become mormon church members. they also use electro shock torture type treatments to try to train the 'gay' out of people. the creepiest thing is that they keep birth records on EVERYONE in a vault tucked into the side of a moment. why? mormons believe they can 'save' people even after they are dead. so the mormons took it upon themselves to 'save' all/most of the Jews who were killed in the death camps during WWII by baptizing them as mormons or converting them - posthumously - to mormonism. you can see how this really pissed off a lot of people. i could go on. but it just makes me sad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism
Quote from: onan on January 30, 2011, 02:52:17 AMTo me, no matter what the religion, its delusional. Take your pick they all spell crazy. To point to one and select its crazy points it kind of futile. Then again many believe that not subscribing to the common belief is some form of neurotic thought... so what to make of it... screw em all.Adding to the point, I don't fear the mormon movement to maneuver politics anymoreso than the religious fundies still in the pocket of the extreme right.
Quote from: analog kid on January 30, 2011, 06:12:07 AMThat's an impressive list anagrammy. Hadn't heard of a lot of those things.
Quote from: anagrammy on January 30, 2011, 01:39:47 PMGeneral, did you miss ........(edited for brevity)Do you not know of the bloody history of the Mormon Church? .....
Quote from: anagrammy on January 29, 2011, 02:52:36 PMThis of course is to move the cult out of the nutbag category, which they earned in their shameful shouldering themselves into the Prop 8 question swinging their bags of gold, so to speak.
Quote from: anagrammy on January 30, 2011, 02:12:29 PMFor example, church members in California report being assigned to a donation amount to help finance the fight against Prop8. The church calculated their income based on their 10% tithing and told them to pay up. This is wrong on so many levels:1) Not voluntary, therefore not a donation2) Violation of church and state to collect money for political purposes3) Complete violation of personal choice- maybe some of their members have some empathy for gay people, didn't matter.
Quote from: Michael V. on January 30, 2011, 03:37:38 PMi think the mormon cult was perceived to be an exercise in "nutbaggery" LONG before they offended any gay marriage activists.
Quote from: anagrammy on January 30, 2011, 05:51:15 PMThis is also interesting to me since the Oakland Temple president was once my bishop and I reported child molestation to him. As in the Catholic church, the perp just moved away and was protected by the priesthood leadership.
Quote from: anagrammy on January 30, 2011, 02:12:29 PMGeneral, you responded way too fast to have even looked up anything regarding the pressures put on youth and the fact that Mormonism is a culture in addition to a religion. I'm not defaming the religion, I am pointing to the truth. It was easy for you to leave, so you think it's easy for anyone.
QuoteNo one was allowed to leave the Mormon Church voluntarily when I left in the 80's. They excommunicated you and that information was available to anyone in Utah by phoning the church headquarters and asking "is so and so a member in good standing." That meant I could not get a job as an apostate. That is an example of how a religion being a subculture hurts people. Now this situation has eased up some, whereas other abuses of power have sprung up.
QuoteFor example, church members in California report being assigned to a donation amount to help finance the fight against Prop8. The church calculated their income based on their 10% tithing and told them to pay up. This is wrong on so many levels:1) Not voluntary, therefore not a donation2) Violation of church and state to collect money for political purposes3) Complete violation of personal choice- maybe some of their members have some empathy for gay people, didn't matter.
QuoteBefore you snap back a reply, General,--check what I'm telling you out on the internet. It has become much easier to resign your membership now--you can do it by email. Economy of scale in operating costs, I guess.
Quote from: The General on January 30, 2011, 10:18:48 PMDon't know how this got turned into a thread about Mormons, but that's cool.@ Anagrammy: Yeah the polygamy thing is messed up. This was one of the three things that for me proved that the religion was false. The three fatal flaws in mormon doctrinal logic are as follows...1. It is explicitly stated in the Doctrine and Covenants that a man MUST have multiple wives to get into the kingdom of heaven. Then, when it was politically expedient to do so, they renounced the polygamy thing in order to gain statehood for Utah. The federal government wouldn't allow them to have both. So I guess polygamy wasn't that important to getting into heaven after all.2. Black people were not allowed to hold the preisthood until it was politcally expedient to do so after the civil rights movement. The original stance was that blacks were somehow unclean. And, wouldn't ya know it, just in time, God cleansed all their blood good enough to allow them to hold the preisthood about 1978. Elder Bruce R. McConkie, a powerful elder of the church at the time said â€œwe should forget everything that has been said in the past on this topic.â€œ Amazing coincidence. I call BS. 3. Official mormon doctrine holds the following two contradictory statements to be true."As man is, God once was. And as God is, man can become.""God is eternal, has always been God and always will be God. No Gods have come before him and no Gods will come after him." - BOTH CANNOT BE TRUE! I realized this in my teens and declared mormonism a fake religion.