Let's Dissect This Analysis Of The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[b_dubb]

Yes, General, it can be frustrating. I agree. Yet, I have woods surrounding my home that are full of squirrels.

Yet, explore those woods. You won't find any dead squirrels -- other than road kills. You won't find any bones or any evidence these animals exist. Nature tends to take care of its own.

this is a good point.  scavengers and decomposition would scatter any evidence pretty quickly.  a dear carcass will completely disappear in a few days

[onan]

this is a good point.  scavengers and decomposition would scatter any evidence pretty quickly.  a dear carcass will completely disappear in a few days

That's because Bigfoot in the native extraterrestrial language meens cleanup in aisle 5.

And yeah nature does have a way of "sweeping the floor" but I may walk into my woods and not see a squirrel but I will find evidence of their habitation. I will see buried nuts, shelter, and poop... if I know what I am lookig for.

Now a 6 foot critter is going to have some sort of nesting area that can be easily seen and the poop is gonna be big enough to step in.

Well that's how I see it.

[b_dubb]

true about the pooh

[Marc.Knight]

true about the pooh

[James G.]

the horse was spooked?  i'm not convinced.  the shot is very stable for a handheld camera.  i don't think you could get a decent shot like this if you were on a horse let alone a spooked horse.  that film was shot in the 60's.  focus by hand.  lot's of fine motor movements.  with a heavy piece of equipment (camera). 

Dear b_dubb:

From what I recall Roger Patterson saying, he was first thrown to the ground by the horse, and then got the camera to film the subject. So, as I recall his statement, he was dismounted at the time of the filming.

Although I learned to ride, such as Mr. Patterson are real cowboys. They know how to deal with rearing animals as horsemen, and I didn't doubt what he said happened could have happened.

But that's just me.

[James G.]

i thought one of the guys involved in this film came out and admitted the whole thing to be a hoax.  i saw an interview in which he said it.

Yes, that could be true. But such may be saying it was a hoax to try and cash in on it. I know the people who claimed to be behind a hoax, and they never convinced me.

And I saw the self-professed hoaxer's walk superimposed beside that of the subject of the film. But such can be called "reverse engineering." Once you have something, you can imitate or mimic what's there, and then your claims can have a measure of credibility.

Examine closely online, as I have, the most sophisticated costumes created for the "The Planet of The Apes" movie series. Now, examine the astro-photogragher  M.K. Davis' enhancement of the subject in that film, and its facial features:

http://sasquatch-pg.net/index_files/home_files/patti-photo-enhancement.jpg

And, for all fun, pull an Art Bell as I do. View that image -- and zoom in in it -- with the bumper song Waterloo by ABBA.

"Couldn't escape if I wanted to." Ha!

[Fly By Night]

When I watched the youtube video that b dubb posted, I thought that they were really hanging their hat on the perceived zipper on the Bigfoot and not much more. Then they played the interviews with Clyde Reinke and Jerry Romney. Reinke seemed truthful both with words and body language. Romney's body language at 06:38 makes me think he is lying. He also says That's not true when talking about Reinke's claims. People who use terms such as, "that's not true" rather than "I was not the guy in the suit" make me think that they are being deceptive.

Although there are exceptions such as Slick Willie's " I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

[James G.]

That's because Bigfoot in the native extraterrestrial language meens cleanup in aisle 5.

And yeah nature does have a way of "sweeping the floor" but I may walk into my woods and not see a squirrel but I will find evidence of their habitation. I will see buried nuts, shelter, and poop... if I know what I am lookig for.

Now a 6 foot critter is going to have some sort of nesting area that can be easily seen and the poop is gonna be big enough to step in.

Well that's how I see it.

Yes, that is a valid point. For sure.

I can offer this, for what it's worth. I've read the journals of Bigfoot researchers about finding some lean-to type, temporary shelters in the woods. I remember hearing a guest on Coast-To-Coast AM, I believe it was early last year or so, describe how he spent four weeks in the dense woods of the Pacific Northwest on a Bigfoot search. I forgot this name, but he was the one who told Mr. Noory about not telling any of the locals that you're searching for Bigfoot. He said he carried a sketch pad and claimed to be an artist. And that's why he was going into the woods.

He said he never saw a Bigfoot. But he was among those who described finding these lean-to temporary shelters made of branches and vegetation. I remember he stated that no person was up in those woods to make them, and couldn't explain who (or what) constructed them. And I feel I recall him stating that -- like other researchers -- finding small trees broken by force, which isn't associated with damage from wear or storm conditions. And the force required to do that was above that of humans.

I do remember the guest stating that, considering the landscape, he won't rule out the possibility that even a larger biped creature -- one familiar with the environment -- could exist there elusively, and in relative seclusion.

[aldousburbank]

I know this sounds nutty, but I am a collector of nutty stuff.  I have a friend whose boyfriend claims to have had a sasquatch become attached to him while living with a Pacific northwest tribe.  The tribe claims to have had prior association with these cryptoids, but at the arrival of Eurpeans, these contacts were severed and now only a rirualized annual offering to their hairy neighbors remains in tribal custom.  Well this particular she-bigfoot became enamored with this guy, a long-haired dreadlocked type, and would hang around his camp, making noises, apparently leaving offerings for him of quartered deer carcasses and such.  He actually claims that this particular sasqauatch once kidnapped him for a few hours, taking him to their lair to show him off, before he escaped back to his human tribe.

My friend, this guy's girlfriend, told me that when she would visit, the she-sasquatch would go apeshit with jealousy, throwing rocks, making lots of noise, and generally being a pain in the ass whenever she was around.  She never saw the bitch but was more than convinced of her corporeal nature by all the commotion, and the aroma- she tells me.  Go figure...

[anagrammy]

With time, the Patterson-Gimlin film is gaining credibility.  Did you hear the mismatch info on the height of the supposed guy wearing the suit?

I'm encouraged-- nobody has posted anything to explain the supposed Bigfoot costume having breasts that move naturally.

Anagrammy

[aage500]

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/biology/nasi.htm

Is the link to an abridged document from the 3 year investigation by NASI (NORTH AMERICAN SCIENCE INSTITUTE). The North American Science Institute (NASI), now defunct, was an Oregon-based organization dedicated to aggressively addressing the question of the existence of the Sasquatch. Jeff Glickman served as the executive director. Glickman was a certified forensic examiner who specialized in image enhancement and reconstruction. NASI functioned during the 1990s. The Patterson film analysis was released by the NASI prior to 1998 (at a cost of approx. $75,000.00) and specifically investigated the validity of the Bigfoot (Patterson) film. It is a rigorous scientific document and can only be fully understood by educated minds: However, the discussion remarks at the end are easily understood, and state: The Patterson film cannot be proven to be a hoax at this time.

This image titled, "Figure 6: Height Analysis." is a quite compelling photo.

[aage500]

http://www.henryfranzoni.com/nasirpt.pdf

Here is the full NASI report on the Patterson film analysis: It answers all the questions posted on this forum, enjoy the read.

[Mulvaney]

this is a good point.  scavengers and decomposition would scatter any evidence pretty quickly.  a dear carcass will completely disappear in a few days

I have lost count of the number of animal bones and skulls I have come across off trail - of course the odds of running into deer remains are much greater than coming across Bigfoot.   

I recently saw a film - "Letters from the Big Man" - that was a fictionalized story about encounters with Bigfoot.   It was a nice story and worth seeing just for the photography.   At one point the film showed an analysis of hair that is said to come from Bigfoot.  The director stated the photo he used was from a scientist who has not been able to identify the source.   It would be interesting to get more information about that.

[Juan]

A couple of points - man is not the only primate to bury the dead.  Orangutans do, and I believe another large ape does.  So, it's possible Bigfoot could bury its dead, too.

Second, most everyone agrees that if the film shows a man in a suit, the suit is rather sophisticated.  Patterson was undergoing cancer treatment - could he have afforded an expensive suit?  A few investors, including Gimlin, claimed Patterson cheated them, but I've never seen any amounts claimed that would cover the cost of a sophisticated suit.

[fysisist]

Jeff Meldrum, the Idaho State University professor of anthropology and bigfoot researcher, wrote a book a few years ago in which he summarizes all the facts and theories regarding the PG film, and other Bigfoot evidence.  After reading Meldrum's analysis of the film, I think they really did get footage of a real creature.  It's very hard to dismiss Bigfoot after reading the book. 

[ziznak]

My apologies for bumping such an old thread but in the spirit of not making a new one I did a site search for "Jeff Meldrum" and dug this thread up. 

Has Jeff ever done C2C? with Art the Noron or anybody? I've listened to a bunch of podcast interviews he's done and see him all over the place so I'm sure he wouldn't say no if asked to do C2C... but... I don't recall him ever being a guest... maybe he was part of a panel roundtable type of thing?

[Morgus]

Has Jeff ever done C2C? with Art the Noron or anybody?

If you check the alphabetical order past guest list at the c2c website,  Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum is listed:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/meldrum-dr-jeffrey/6792

Several c2c shows are listed with him as guest over the years both with Noory and Punnett as hosts.

[ziznak]

  I figured he HAD to be on at some point I just can't personally recall ever hearing him on C2C myself.  Thanks for the info Morgus!   

[ziznak]

My own image enhancement of the PG film frame # somethin somethin somethin....

[jeffy]

From the first time I viewed Patterson and Gimlin's video I believed it to be the real deal.   I've read all the pro and con post through the years on various sites,   watched the television shows and listened to the radio interviews but still my gut says ''real deal''.   Every single effort at simulating the video has been poor in my opinion... they look fake from the get go.    There's no doubt the bigfoot world is chocked full of liars and hoaxers especially since Al Gore (ha!)invented the internet giving the hoaxers a vehicle for their invented stories. 

[ziznak]

My favorite proof in the PG footage are the "pendulous breasts."   

[Sardondi]

[Pragmier]

Every single effort at simulating the video has been poor in my opinion... they look fake from the get go. 

I don't know enough about the topic but this is often repeated. Is it true no good recreation of the video has been made?

[LAM4:2]

Referring to the picture of the Lochness monster, doesn't it look like its a person's forearm coming out of the water?

[ziznak]

THe famouse nessie pic is a proven hoax.  it was a childs boat with a head and neck built over it.  The PG suit argument goes right out the window IMO when I look at the musculature thats clearly seen.  No suit back then would have been so detailed to include the TNA that Patty has going on there...

if there was a black guy standing there when she walked by I know he'd be lookin like....
"Daaaaaaam gurl!!!!"

[b_dubb]

the bloke that took the classic Nessie pic (see my avatar?) confessed on his death bed it was all faked.  as for the bigfoot flick ... i am still skeptical.  there's country road not far from here.  a deer got nailed by a car there.  it's carcass has been by the side of a road for weeks.  the coyotes haven't scavenged it.  it is just slowly decomposing. 

why haven't we found any bigfoot remains?  or recovered any other really solid evidence?  its all very suspect

[ChewMouse]

What gets me is how insistent Bigfoot fans are that Bigfoot exists. People have disappeared and no bear did that! No wildcat did that! The clothes were neatly folded so of course it was a Bigfoot (known for their obsessive clothes-folding).

Why people deny the presence and activity of real wild animals in favor of a magic ape is just beyond me.

By the way, b_dubb, what's up with coyotes in your area? They're the ultimate scavangers but they turned away a fresh deer? Must've been something wrong with the deer. We are surrounded by coyotes this year and guess what? On a full-moon night, they sound quite a lot like Art Bell's famous "Bigfoot Scream" tape. Not completely, just a lot.

[ziznak]

I have a bit of a problem with the remains.  I can see how in a lot of the coniferous areas there's very acidic soil, and porcupines supposedly eat bones, oh and if these things exist they're probly few and far between, at the time of death like many mammals they're holing up somewhere.  Still though, you would think something would have turned up.  My biggest gripe is that I think some sort of hunter would have nailed one by now.

[Juan]

Orangutans bury their dead.  Maybe bigfoot does, too.
I agree about the hunter, though there are some very large areas where hunting is not allowed - or allowed infrequently.

[ufogadfly]

the bloke that took the classic Nessie pic (see my avatar?) confessed on his death bed it was all faked.  as for the bigfoot flick ... i am still skeptical.  there's country road not far from here.  a deer got nailed by a car there.  it's carcass has been by the side of a road for weeks.  the coyotes haven't scavenged it.  it is just slowly decomposing. 

why haven't we found any bigfoot remains?  or recovered any other really solid evidence?  its all very suspect

Don't know about the carcass at the roadside, but one seldom finds a dead animal in the deep woods unless its fresh. Nature can reduce even bones to nothing.
The bottom line for me is that I don't think anyone circa 1967 could have made a bigfoot "suit" look that good. That, and my belief that not all of the reports, sometimes in daylight, by everyday, sane, sober folks, including families, can simply be explained as hoaxes, misindentifications, etc.,