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John B. Wells

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Total Members Voted: 245

Lovely Bones

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 12, 2012, 11:43:12 PM


The real danger is folks taking the show too seriously.  To me, it was always about entertainment, and I think art got that. I seem to remember him saying (in a Wired interview?) that 99% of the stuff on the show was BS, but the fun was in finding the 1% that was real (rough quote, garbled by my age and lifestyle, no doubt).

You are a wise man, RCD. 

Quote from: Lovely Bones on July 13, 2012, 08:18:01 AM
You are a wise man, RCD.
Aw, thanks. Where's the emoticon foR blushing?

ItsOver

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 12, 2012, 11:43:12 PM

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The real danger is folks taking the show too seriously.  To me, it was always about entertainment, and I think art got that. I seem to remember him saying (in a Wired interview?) that 99% of the stuff on the show was BS, but the fun was in finding the 1% that was real (rough quote, garbled by my age and lifestyle, no doubt).  I think Morph, a coastgab member I am fond of, BTW, Does what a number of the members here do - lashes out at the current hosts out of anger because they miss Art.  Well, I do too, but I am ok with notion that others will pick up the franchise, and do their best to keep the format alive. I would like the show to still be around when Noory finally retires.

Absolutely.  The cool thing with Art was it was like setting around the bonfire, late at night, getting creeped out by some good story telling, when C2C was at it's best.  It all goes downhill fast when it turns into some whacked-out infomercial.

WOTR

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 11, 2012, 10:17:11 PM
Me too.  It seems that with the passing of time, a lot of the folks here have developed a selective memory about the kind of guests Art had on, and are engaging in revisionist history about his political stripes.  So Malachi Martin wasn't a Christian fundamentalist? And somehow Noory is to blame for Hoagland?  And the show is nothing but fear mongering now?  Pull the other one...
I do not know about that.  I would probably be one of those who you may think falls into that category based on my posts (pro-Art.)  The fact is that I turned off Art very often.  Too much politics when I was not in the mood, guests who really did suck or when he covered little green men too often (UFOs are not really my thing) and I would reach for the power button. 

The thing is that I was not turning him off because I could no longer bear to torture myself listening to him sound like an idiot (the main reason that I turn off coast these days.)  He also managed to work his politics in with some panache and skill and even then I would sometimes turn him off.  JB seems to use politics like a club and is anything but subtle.  Art would walk beside me and occasionally reach out and hit me with a truncheon.  When I allow Wells to walk beside me he administers sever nightly beatings often requiring hospitalization.  Art gave me enough in return that I tolerated the occasional lump.  Wells not only give me nothing but actually robs me of what little I have while I struggle to get to my feet.

No, Art was not perfect; his views did, like any host, get tossed into the mix.  This is just as it should be considering that it is not a news show.  He would have on guests whose views I disagreed with (many of those I would still listen to because he managed to make the interview interesting.)  I recall Dr. Dino- the young earth theorist.  I am not a young earth believer (nor a flat earth hold-out).  Still, the interview was interesting.  I can picture George or Wells agreeing with the Dr. and uttering words such as absolutely or, more likely, understood.

WOTR

John Zerzan was last on 10 years ago with Bell (according to him.)  I would dearly love to dig out that interview to compare it to Wells.  My money is on Art blowing JB out of the water in terms of style, curiosity and questions using the exact same guest as a control.  This is the perfect guest and the perfect subject as the goal would remain exactly the same.  If anything, Wells has the advantage considering the advances in technology over the last decade and having a guest still acting as a spokesman for Luddites everywhere. 

If anybody is interested, the AB interview was April 18 2002.  I will actually make an effort to get through Wells tonight and then look up the Bell interview.  Yes, you can read that and assume that I am not completely unbiased nor going into this experiment with a completely open mind... but I will make an effort.

rangers1919

Quote from: WOTR on July 15, 2012, 02:19:21 AM
John Zerzan was last on 10 years ago with Bell (according to him.)  I would dearly love to dig out that interview to compare it to Wells.  My money is on Art blowing JB out of the water in terms of style, curiosity and questions using the exact same guest as a control.  This is the perfect guest and the perfect subject as the goal would remain exactly the same.  If anything, Wells has the advantage considering the advances in technology over the last decade and having a guest still acting as a spokesman for Luddites everywhere. 

If anybody is interested, the AB interview was April 18 2002.  I will actually make an effort to get through Wells tonight and then look up the Bell interview.  Yes, you can read that and assume that I am not completely unbiased nor going into this experiment with a completely open mind... but I will make an effort.

I would probably listen to it a bit. These two are all over the place tonight. They aren't even following a coherent line of thought anymore as the end of the interview nears. They are just throwing out line after line and sound like they are having 2 different conversations--it still isn't as bad as Noory though.

Also, near the end the guest reveals that he is not in favor of democracy, and is in favor of violence against the system. I would like it if somebody would have called in and asked him how he would feel about people destroying his home, office, property, etc. because they disagreed with his philosophy.

WOTR

I made it!  10 minutes to go and although I reached for the power button when Wells once again broke into a crappy attempted Australian (or British?) accent when he was imitating a primitive caveman, I avoided the temptation.  What the hell is a caveman doing with a British accent... what was the point?  I suppose after one too many pulls on the crack pipe it seems like a good idea.
Quote from: rangers1919 on July 15, 2012, 02:36:35 AM
Also, near the end the guest reveals that he is not in favor of democracy, and is in favor of violence against the system. I would like it if somebody would have called in and asked him how he would feel about people destroying his home, office, property, etc. because they disagreed with his philosophy.
I caught that as well.  I love your question.  It is one of the most fair questions I can imagine.  If somebody believes that violence and vandalism is acceptable if perpetrated by them- what is their view when somebody puts them on the receiving end of property destruction?

I realized while listening to Wells that while George kills individual English words that Wells kills sentence structure.  I cannot count the number of false starts and redos that Wells needed to spit out his thoughts.  I was wondering... I thought that...  When I was a young man... let me put it this way; how does one go about completing a thought first try?

Now to find the Bell interview.

Sleepwalker

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 11, 2012, 10:17:11 PM
And somehow Noory is to blame for Hoagland?

Yes, he most definitely is.  Art gave Hoagie his start but George has been host since, what, 2003? Nine years? George could have and should have shown him the exit long ago. 

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 11, 2012, 10:17:11 PM
And the show is nothing but fear mongering now?

Most of the time, yes.  Fear mongering and asinine, mindless conspiracy theories.  Bill Clinton blew up the Federal Building in Oklahoma.  The Bush Administration was behind 9-11. The night President Obama announced Bin Laden was dead George threw a hissy fit when he heard Bin Laden's body had been ditched in the ocean and immediately went into conspiracy mode. "I have to see what Alex Jones thinks." 

Wells specializes in conspiracy crackpots and end of the world scenarios. He sells radiation detectors and water filtration systems on his personal website.  George pitches dried food during the week because, as everyone but "the haters" know, the total collapse of civilization is coming and you're going to need this stuff.

Discussing the possibility of a shooter on the grassy knoll is one thing, repeatedly telling the audience their government is out to kill them is irresponsible and contemptible. It's a safe bet an audience of five million may includes more than a few who are paranoid or delusional.  A potential Timothy McVeigh could be inspired by some of the crap he's  hearing night after night on this carnival sideshow.

As for entertainment value . . .

Art was on five hours a night and didn't use call screeners.  Listening to Art deal with the crackpot callers was part of the fun.  Sure, Art had his share of loony toon guests but Art made no secret of the fact many of his guests were crackpots and that it was up to the listeners to decide for themselves.  He was inviting us to suspend disbelief and "take a ride."  He was a master showman and, while the ride frequently passed through the Twilight Zone before landing just prior to sunrise in the desert, it was a good time.

Wells and Noory were handed a great show, kept the worst parts of it (Hoagie, Ed Dames) and are completely, utterly lacking the talent to continue the elements that made it entertaining.


Quote from: Sleepwalker on July 15, 2012, 05:58:58 AM
Yes, he most definitely is.  Art gave Hoagie his start but George has been host since, what, 2003? Nine years? George could have and should have shown him the exit long ago. 

Most of the time, yes.  Fear mongering and asinine, mindless conspiracy theories.  Bill Clinton blew up the Federal Building in Oklahoma.  The Bush Administration was behind 9-11. The night President Obama announced Bin Laden was dead George threw a hissy fit when he heard Bin Laden's body had been ditched in the ocean and immediately went into conspiracy mode. "I have to see what Alex Jones thinks." 

Wells specializes in conspiracy crackpots and end of the world scenarios. He sells radiation detectors and water filtration systems on his personal website.  George pitches dried food during the week because, as everyone but "the haters" know, the total collapse of civilization is coming and you're going to need this stuff.

Discussing the possibility of a shooter on the grassy knoll is one thing, repeatedly telling the audience their government is out to kill them is irresponsible and contemptible. It's a safe bet an audience of five million may includes more than a few who are paranoid or delusional.  A potential Timothy McVeigh could be inspired by some of the crap he's  hearing night after night on this carnival sideshow.

As for entertainment value . . .

Art was on five hours a night and didn't use call screeners.  Listening to Art deal with the crackpot callers was part of the fun.  Sure, Art had his share of loony toon guests but Art made no secret of the fact many of his guests were crackpots and that it was up to the listeners to decide for themselves.  He was inviting us to suspend disbelief and "take a ride."  He was a master showman and, while the ride frequently passed through the Twilight Zone before landing just prior to sunrise in the desert, it was a good time.

Wells and Noory were handed a great show, kept the worst parts of it (Hoagie, Ed Dames) and are completely, utterly lacking the talent to continue the elements that made it entertaining.


I see.  So effectively, you are advocating for some change in the show, but only change that you personally endorse.  Guests that sucked always are out, guests that were good under Art, but are demonstrably crazier now (with you as arbiter, I presume) are out. But after ditching Dick and Ed, who were probably Art's number 2 and 3 guests in terms of appearances and on air mentions, they better not replace them with conspiracy theorist types, unless they are of the sort Art would have approved of - but only based on your personal recollection of what Art's likes and dislikes were.  End of the world via super storm would presumably be fair game, end of the world by super storm caused by the government (HAARP, Chemtrails) is also,apparently OK, cause Art thought so, but the particular doomsday stuff that other hosts go in for, that ain't cool.  Only Art, and you Sleepwalker, should be able to determine which lunatic is good old fashioned entertainment, and which lunatic is dangerous.


Great, looking forward to the new Art Bell show with you producing...

Sleepwalker

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 15, 2012, 10:11:02 AM
Only Art, and you Sleepwalker, should be able to determine which lunatic is good old fashioned entertainment, and which lunatic is dangerous.

Your post contained considerable sarcasm but, unlike some of your previous rants, you refrained from using the words f--k and f---tard so I guess we'll consider that a sign of intellectual growth on your part.

Let me share the following from the personal website of John B. Wells and follow it up with another observation:

Incoming waves of Nuclear Radiation pose a very
clear and present danger.


On Saturday night, 09 June 2012, I conducted
The Fukushima Forum on Coast To Coast AM.
Each hour a specialist from the fields of nuclear
engineering, alternative energy, naturopathic
detoxification and decontamination of, and
radiological effects on the human body and the
world, offered their opinions and advice on how to
best deal with the current tragedy's effects on our
own country, and to prepare for the eventuality of
the next incident.

The consensus among all present at the Fukushima
Forum is to help and rely on yourself.

Good air, good food and good water are essential for
human life, let alone health.

The products on this site offer a measure of real
security to you and those you care about.

I use these products myself.
I would not offer them to you if I did not.

You don't have to rely on the authorities to tell you.
You can know.

Be well.
John B.

Mr. Wells assembled his own panel of "specialists" and, based upon the "consensus among all present," offers his audience some products "to best deal with the current tragedy's effects on our own country, and to prepare for the eventuality of the next incident." 

Personally, I consider this to be a conflict of interest and outright hucksterism.

So, at the risk of offending your considerable sensibilities, no, I do not like nor do I approve of the current incarnation of Coast to Coast AM.  And, since the ratings have taken a precipitous drop in recent years, it would appear others share my opinion.  Have a good day. 

expat

"...naturopathic detoxification..."

Would that have been Dr Robin Falkov, perchance? Supposedly she was going round the Gulf States peddling BP oil diluted 2,000 times, as the perfect way back to health.

Her web site claims that "Measles doesn't kill." She's a liar, in other words.

According to her fancy-man, one Richard C. Hoagland, she inhales ozone on aircraft flights. She's an inconsiderate swine, in other words.

coaster

People dont hate Noory because they miss Art Bell, they hate him because he doesnt try, isnt professional, and doesnt care. I dont care who hosts the show as long as they take it seriously.

Quote from: Sleepwalker on July 15, 2012, 02:02:17 PM
Your post contained considerable sarcasm but, unlike some of your previous rants, you refrained from using the words f--k and f---tard so I guess we'll consider that a sign of intellectual growth on your part.

Let me share the following from the personal website of John B. Wells and follow it up with another observation:

Incoming waves of Nuclear Radiation pose a very
clear and present danger.


On Saturday night, 09 June 2012, I conducted
The Fukushima Forum on Coast To Coast AM.
Each hour a specialist from the fields of nuclear
engineering, alternative energy, naturopathic
detoxification and decontamination of, and
radiological effects on the human body and the
world, offered their opinions and advice on how to
best deal with the current tragedy's effects on our
own country, and to prepare for the eventuality of
the next incident.

The consensus among all present at the Fukushima
Forum is to help and rely on yourself.

Good air, good food and good water are essential for
human life, let alone health.

The products on this site offer a measure of real
security to you and those you care about.

I use these products myself.
I would not offer them to you if I did not.

You don't have to rely on the authorities to tell you.
You can know.

Be well.
John B.

Mr. Wells assembled his own panel of "specialists" and, based upon the "consensus among all present," offers his audience some products "to best deal with the current tragedy's effects on our own country, and to prepare for the eventuality of the next incident." 

Personally, I consider this to be a conflict of interest and outright hucksterism.

So, at the risk of offending your considerable sensibilities, no, I do not like nor do I approve of the current incarnation of Coast to Coast AM.  And, since the ratings have taken a precipitous drop in recent years, it would appear others share my opinion.  Have a good day.
You're right, Art would never use the show or it's topics to flog survivalist gear.  Unless it's Y2K and the product is a C. Crane crank radio.  But that's entirely different, isn't it?

WOTR

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 15, 2012, 07:15:42 PM
You're right, Art would never use the show or it's topics to flog survivalist gear.  Unless it's Y2K and the product is a C. Crane crank radio.  But that's entirely different, isn't it?
In one way it is... Everyone from the red cross to government agencies recommend that you have a radio, some food and some water as a minimum for ANY emergency.  I never really get upset with those spots (then or now.)  I bought one (granted it was a different brand) and I live in an area not prone to disaster.  We have no floods, hurricanes, mudslides, earthquakes or other problems to worry about... but a radio is a great idea (though I would add that the radio in your truck is likely to work just as well as the small one beside your bed in an emergency.)

Things such as a personal radiation detector are really only useful when you have been scared into no longer believing your own government and believe that they will falsify data and fail to report threats to the population.  You have to believe that Alex Jones is the only "reporter" who would refuse to go along with the government (otherwise they would report the findings of independent scientists.)  You have to believe that those scientists are part of the conspiracy (otherwise they would use the internet to sound the warning.)

When you buy a radio you are making a statement that you want to be somewhat prepared.  When you buy a radiation detector you are making a statement that you believe that society and government has already suffered an irreversible breakdown and trust nobody.

They are products aimed at a very different portion of the population.  And a part of it comes in the delivery.  If you are selling the radio by fear it is every bit as bad as attempting to get the population worked up over a Japanese meltdown.  I really do not recall if Art was selling them as simply "a good idea to be prepared" or as a "help us all- the world is about to end and the only way for your family to survive is with a Ccrane radio hunkered down in a shelter with your gold and silver from Lear capital eating efoodsdirect meals while keeping a nervous eye on the radiation detector and popping turmeric and seaweed to protect yourself from the effects of the meltdown caused by a conspiracy  hatched by the CIA to cover up the trade center bombing..."

Quote from: From Somewhere Out There on July 12, 2012, 11:43:40 PM
Are you the Gene Shalit of radio broadcasting? It's a long way down from that perch you are roosting on. :P

Now there's a name I haven't heard in quite some time. Wonder what rock he's crawled under.

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 15, 2012, 07:15:42 PM
You're right, Art would never use the show or it's topics to flog survivalist gear.  Unless it's Y2K and the product is a C. Crane crank radio.  But that's entirely different, isn't it?

CCrane was an integral part of Coast in the days of Art Bell. I don't know that I've ever heard an advertisement for radiation detectors during the broadcast. I must admit, I listen as little as possible these days. 

Quote from: WOTR on July 15, 2012, 11:29:52 PM
In one way it is... Everyone from the red cross to government agencies recommend that you have a radio, some food and some water as a minimum for ANY emergency.

During the 1989 Bay Area earthquake I was at work.  It was the biggest earthquake I had been in.  It was amazing to watch a seemingly solid building have waves in it, just like waves in the ocean.  A huge pill counting machine which was about the size of 4 refrigerators next to each other fell down and missed me by about 6 inches (it was not anchored down at all), but no one in the store was hurt.  Even a small earthquake can cause a lot of damage if there are things on shelves because they bounce and vibrate off.  Now there was nothing on the shelves, glass everywhere, and some structural damage.

After earthquakes, the policy was to wait for the store manager to say if people stayed or went home.  Usually, the problem was just a few things on the floor and no electricity.  It was up to the manager to guess if the electricity would be on soon enough for the employees to wait around.  This time it was pretty clear that everyone should just go home.

So it was clear it was a big earthquake, but without knowing where the epicenter was it was impossible to say how big.  If it was nearby it might not have been that big, but if it was far away it would have been massive.  So I turned on the car radio.  The station I listened to was not there.  I tried all the presets and there were no stations at all.  I decided to just drive home and check out the damage there.  There was no damage there at all except for a little glass vase that fell down and broke, but I could tell there had been some shaking as the 5 gallon vats I had filled with water and chlorine to sterilize bottles for beer making only had about an inch of water in them and the rest was on the kitchen floor.

I tried to find a station on my home battery operated radio, but there was nothing local on at all and the farther away stations were barely coming in and didn't seem to have any special news programing on them.  There was no TV either and all the phone lines were busy.  All my neighbors had the same problem, no one had any idea how big the quake was.

So my radio was useless.  After that I got a shortwave radio from C Crane and another one that could pick up ham broadcasters.  It was werid and annoying to be in a major event and to have no info.

Sorry for the long, mostly OT post!

WOTR

Quote from: DangerousBlossom on July 16, 2012, 01:03:19 AM
So my radio was useless.  After that I got a shortwave radio from C Crane and another one that could pick up ham broadcasters.  It was werid and annoying to be in a major event and to have no info.
That was quite a story- I am happy to live in an area that is not prone to disasters (though I do have to suffer some pretty sever cold in the winter... everything has a trade-off.)  I am lucky where I live... I can pull in a station from Red Deer, Calgary and one from Drumheller- about 220 KM apart.  If the truck cannot pull it in, the home radio from 1934 with a long copper antenna can pull in anything from AM to shortwave.  If the power is out I have a solar power / hand crank / battery power radio that was the brand the Red Cross used to sell with AM, FM, shortwave, weather and emergency bands.

In an emergency, information is more than a luxury and I really cannot begrudge Bell for using Ccrane as a sponsor; likely there have been some people who have thanked him for guiding their decision to buy one.  If anybody ever thanks Wells for the radiation detector (as they have found it to be useful) I think I will be VERY worried.

Having said all of that- do you have any of their other products... how is the quality of a Ccrane?

Sleepwalker

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 15, 2012, 07:15:42 PM
You're right, Art would never use the show or it's topics to flog survivalist gear.  Unless it's Y2K and the product is a C. Crane crank radio.  But that's entirely different, isn't it?

There's a huge difference between a C. Crane crank radio and John B. Wells selling radiation detectors and water purifiers on his personal website.  Crane is a great company for anyone who wants a quality radio or other electronics.  I own one of their WiFi radios, a CCRadio and a CCRadio-EP.  They're all useful, high-quality products, suitable for everyday use.  I do not own a C Crane crank up radio but I can see why a person might want one.  They are inexpensive and would be useful during a routine power outage, especially if one neglected to keep a fresh battery supply.

C. Crane was a respected, well-established company long before Coast to Coast hit the airwaves. 






Sleepwalker

Quote from: WOTR on July 16, 2012, 04:34:45 AM
Having said all of that- do you have any of their other products... how is the quality of a Ccrane?

I bought their original CCRadio back in the 1990s.  A CCRadio-EP a couple of years ago and a C Crane WiFi radio last year. They're all well-engineered, well-built products.  Their customer service is outstanding too.  If you have a question you call their 800 number and a friendly person in California (not India) answers the  phone within three or four rings.  Outstanding products and outstanding customer service.

ItsOver

Quote from: Sleepwalker on July 16, 2012, 06:36:08 AM
I bought their original CCRadio back in the 1990s.  A CCRadio-EP a couple of years ago and a C Crane WiFi radio last year. They're all well-engineered, well-built products.  Their customer service is outstanding too.  If you have a question you call their 800 number and a friendly person in California (not India) answers the  phone within three or four rings.  Outstanding products and outstanding customer service.

I bought some stuff from C. Crane before I'd ever heard of Art Bell and was always pleased with their products and service.  From what I recall, Art had a good relationship with the owner.  Not surprising due to Art's intense personal interest in radio, alone.  It's interesting C. Crane no longer advertises on Coast.  Maybe a quality product doesn't want to be associated with such a currently low-quality broadcast or believes the current base of listeners would not be receptive to their quality products.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 15, 2012, 07:15:42 PM
You're right, Art would never use the show or it's topics to flog survivalist gear.  Unless it's Y2K and the product is a C. Crane crank radio.  But that's entirely different, isn't it?
Bell is a serious radio technology/ham radio guy.  He spent many show segments talking about ham radio and gear.  C. Crane is a unique vendor of consumer radios and radio-related electronics; generally of very high quality. And one of the last of their kind to withstand the onslaught of big box stores. Crane was the natural sponsor for Art Bell's C2C.  That's s-p-o-n-s-o-r...a business that buys advertising on a program; a legitimate paying sponsor.  The only thing I recall that Bell ever promoted for his own profit on his program was his own books. 

Wells, on the other (far right) hand, peddles a line of gear for his own side business, gear only of interest to the downer doomsday obsessives and paranoids he cultivates as surely as Bell cultivated UFOers and Big Foot spotters.  Are you seriously comparing listeners who'd buy a $100 compact SW radio or emergency crank radio or a cassette-recording radio (IIRC, Limbaugh advertised those too in his pre-god life) with the fringe prepper nuts who drop $500 on a f'ing radiation detector (to stow with their 10,000 rounds of ammo)?

slipstream

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 15, 2012, 10:11:02 AM

I see.  So effectively, you are advocating for some change in the show, but only change that you personally endorse.  Guests that sucked always are out, guests that were good under Art, but are demonstrably crazier now (with you as arbiter, I presume) are out. But after ditching Dick and Ed, who were probably Art's number 2 and 3 guests in terms of appearances and on air mentions, they better not replace them with conspiracy theorist types, unless they are of the sort Art would have approved of - but only based on your personal recollection of what Art's likes and dislikes were.  End of the world via super storm would presumably be fair game, end of the world by super storm caused by the government (HAARP, Chemtrails) is also,apparently OK, cause Art thought so, but the particular doomsday stuff that other hosts go in for, that ain't cool.  Only Art, and you Sleepwalker, should be able to determine which lunatic is good old fashioned entertainment, and which lunatic is dangerous.
would do, or what are would have never allowed in the sacred halls of C2C. 

I'm getting so tired of reading what are would do, or what are would have never allowed in the sacred halls of C2C. 

Great, looking forward to the new Art Bell show with you producing...




I'm getting so tired of reading what Art would do, or what are would have never allowed in the sacred halls of C2C.  Art did a variety of topics some of which included politics, heaven forbid.  Art quit the show.  While he may have his preferences it doesn't look like he is interested in the show any longer.

Quote from: slipstream on July 16, 2012, 07:58:42 PM



I'm getting so tired of reading what Art would do, or what are would have never allowed in the sacred halls of C2C.  Art did a variety of topics some of which included politics, heaven forbid.  Art quit the show.  While he may have his preferences it doesn't look like he is interested in the show any longer.
You bet.  Just look at the last couple of posts before yours - sycophantic rage that a host would dare capitalize on the show and it's subject matter, while proclaiming what a great product the CCrane radio is, and somehow putting Art above the fray.  I guess PT Barnum was right.


I'll keep it really simple - Art's decisions were motivated by capitalism, or more specifically in radio, ratings and demographics.  Google around, and you fill find many examples of Art saying just that in interviews (the show is entertainment, Hale Bopp controversy was good for ratings, etc.). The fact that many, many people here believed every word of his on air persona, bought the products he endorsed, and feel that his personal belief system is exactly aligned with their own is testament to his true mastery of the medium, and what a great salesman he was- because in the final analysis, he was selling, and lot's of people were buying. 


On a related tangent, I often see post's about Art's comment that George "get's it".  Folks will post about George not being interested in the paranormal, or not having read this book or that book, or being a general doofus, and claim that as proof that George doesn't get it.  As I remember the show, a caller complained about the changes George was making.  Art commented that a new host would naturally take the show in different directions, and that in the final analysis, the success of the show would be decided by the audience, and the network, and that George "get's it". Pretty clear that he meant that George understands that radio is a business, and that Clear Channel made it's decisions based on ratings.




onan

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on July 17, 2012, 10:05:58 AM
You bet.  Just look at the last couple of posts before yours - sycophantic rage that a host would dare capitalize on the show and it's subject matter, while proclaiming what a great product the CCrane radio is, and somehow putting Art above the fray.  I guess PT Barnum was right.


I'll keep it really simple - Art's decisions were motivated by capitalism, or more specifically in radio, ratings and demographics.  Google around, and you fill find many examples of Art saying just that in interviews (the show is entertainment, Hale Bopp controversy was good for ratings, etc.). The fact that many, many people here believed every word of his on air persona, bought the products he endorsed, and feel that his personal belief system is exactly aligned with their own is testament to his true mastery of the medium, and what a great salesman he was- because in the final analysis, he was selling, and lot's of people were buying. 


On a related tangent, I often see post's about Art's comment that George "get's it".  Folks will post about George not being interested in the paranormal, or not having read this book or that book, or being a general doofus, and claim that as proof that George doesn't get it.  As I remember the show, a caller complained about the changes George was making.  Art commented that a new host would naturally take the show in different directions, and that in the final analysis, the success of the show would be decided by the audience, and the network, and that George "get's it". Pretty clear that he meant that George understands that radio is a business, and that Clear Channel made it's decisions based on ratings.

Although I see your point RCD, I don't see all that much blind loyalty... perhaps I should look harder. On the other hand this is pretty much an anti-noory site. I have a pretty good recollection of the "gets it" statement. Art was specifically talking about noory's understanding of the paranormal. I suppose there could be some underlying-read-between-the-lines meaning to Art's comment. But honestly do you think george does get the biz? I don't. I do think he was lucky enough to get a gig where there was NO competition and still isn't. And even with that gn has whittled the audience base to a fraction of what it was.

I do completely agree with you however Art isn't a sacred cow. I would also put forward that I am disappointed in his cryptic messages. Annoyed he has toyed with loyal fans. If he has no desire to return then say that.

To the advertising, I don't think Art or george has the luxury of selecting who they shill for. The only thing I can say to that is I find a CCrane radio somewhat more interesting than a psx90. Then again I have always tuned out the ads... much to my loss it has also tuned out many minutes of returning dialogue from guest and host. 

awake

 Pretty clear that he meant that George understands that radio is a business, and that Clear Channel made it's decisions based on ratings.
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I have no comment on your post other than that Clear Channel made it's decisions based on rating.  That claim is demonstrably false.  Clear Channel has a history, which you can verify by using the googlemachine, of basing show decisions upon politics.  One example I found in five minutes of looking; within the last six months a show which was profitable and well rated was removed from a Clear Chanel S.F., CA. station and Glenn Beck was inserted into the slot, ratings promptly dropped and likewise ad-revenue.  This gets repeated throughout Clear Channel, also look at the salary increases given to broadcasters who have a conservative bent even when no other company was pursuing said broadcasters.  This even though Clear Channel is being crushed with a heavy debt load.  The claim made by the above poster is over-generalized hokum, C.C. has had for a long time a very serious political "flavor" which may explain much of what gets broadcast.

Have a great day.

I remember Art peddling gold and HGH (!) among other things.  Not to mention bringing us people like Ed Dames and Whitley Strieber (and George Noory).

It really just comes down to people liking Art Bell and his show and not liking George Noory and his show.  Even if George cared or tried or had talent, I don't think many people would like him.

ItsOver

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 17, 2012, 01:34:38 PM
I remember Art peddling gold and HGH (!) among other things.  Not to mention bringing us people like Ed Dames and Whitley Strieber (and George Noory).......


.....and The Hoaxster!  The creepiest thing on C2C these days is when Hoagland checks-in with his best stalking voice, "Hellllooooo..... George....."   :o

Juan

With regard to Cheap Channel, ratings, politics, etc. - I can assure you, as a former employee, that Cheap Channel makes its decisions based on spending as little as possible.  If they replaced a highly rated show with a lower rated one, it was because of one of two things: first, the lower rated show may have cost much less and given CC a better opportunity to make money, or, second, perhaps another station paid the higher rated program more to move.
sNoory is the perfect employee - doesn't make waves, is just good enough, and he probably works for a relatively low salary.  Has anyone ever seen an estimate of what he makes?

VtaGeezer

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 17, 2012, 01:34:38 PM
I remember Art peddling gold and HGH (!) among other things.  Not to mention bringing us people like Ed Dames and Whitley Strieber (and George Noory).

It really just comes down to people liking Art Bell and his show and not liking George Noory and his show.  Even if George cared or tried or had talent, I don't think many people would like him.
No, PB, you remember Bell doing paid commercials for gold, HGH precursors, etc. I can't recall him ever pitching of his own product other than his books.  Big difference from peddling hardcore prepper crap out of your trunk to paranoid losers whom you just spent four hours pumping with notions of impending doom as Wells does.  I'm not Bell groupie but there's a stark contrast between Bell and even Noory's roles in commercials on C2C and the "Buy-this-from-me-before-Obama-orders-your-death" Wells.

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