John B. Wells

[onan]

Why exactly are you here?

Either you are dense or you are itching for a fight. We are here because we don't like what team noory has done to coast to coast. We aren't particularly fond of the management that enables buffoon noory and stables other clowns to host.


Until recently that was the specific point of this forum. And you have been around long enough to have that information... so dense? or looking to fight?


One could easily counter; why are you here? Obviously the culture is upsetting to you. Yet here you are pissing and moaning about the normal day to day of this site. I have to wonder what motivates one to believe they have some higher grasp of what should be? This has been said before, but, I may not like the books you read but it would be in very bad form to come to your house and criticize your library.

[VtaGeezer]

Well said, Onan.  We were all C2C listeners years before Wells or Noory were dropped into a successful established program structure, and we simply want the show to live up to its legacy and not be merely a shell stuffed with whatever crap makes the most money for Premiere. The current content is so far from what it was before Noory that has little business exploiting the C2C identity.  It's become product misrepresentation. We want the smart, non-ideological night-time show on unusual phenomena that C2C used to be.  If they won't do that, perhaps Premiere should drop the charade, call it "Late Night with Lonely George" and "The Poison Wells" on Saturdays, and sell the program name rights to someone who'll be true to the expectations.

[NowhereInTime]

Either you are dense or you are itching for a fight. ...

One could easily counter; why are you here? Obviously the culture is upsetting to you. Yet here you are pissing and moaning about the normal day to day of this site. I have to wonder what motivates one to believe they have some higher grasp of what should be? This has been said before, but, I may not like the books you read but it would be in very bad form to come to your house and criticize your library.

Onan, Dude!  Don't fall for the troll!  Tommy D. had a few minutes (and only a little bbq sauce) on his hands so he went trollin'!   George Noory has, does, and always will SUCK and you can take that to the bank!!

[ACE of CLUBS]

Wells did a good show last night ..... one caller told him that he should be the host of C2C.
Tom would probably like a change of host too .... maybe he's tired of playing 'straight man' to dullard George.

[Nebraska888]

I was simply grateful for a Saturday night Coast that did NOT deal with "grab yer guns, boys", cover-ups, or conspiracies. 

Fankhauser and Blumenthal were interesting and discussed things I had never heard on Coast.  I, as are most of you, am aware of the rather strange death of John Mack.  I was fearful Wells would take that directly to COVER-UP and never move on.  But, he didn't......the conversation continued about Mack which revealed lots of information about him that I never knew.

All in all, not a bad program at all.  Hope Wells continues to invite these kinds of guests!   

[Ruteger]

John "He Smells" Bee Wells, was awful as usual. I like him personally, but he's not a good host. What is this "Mothership" garbage all of the time? At this point my vote goes to G. Knapp for best host to follow in Art's shoes.

[West of the Rockies]

"The biggest tragedy is that the crazy people make sensible people look like idiots.  If someone stores food and water in case there's a disaster, they're ridiculed as a doomsday prepper.  If someone says that Fluoride in water may do more harm than good or at least isn't fully understood, they're lumped in with people who think the Bilderbergs are trying to sterilize us." (Quotation above from Gay on 6/1/13)

I quite agree.  My wife and I home-schooled our daughter for a time and a lot of people assumed it was because we were anti-science fundamentalist Christians.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

It's amazing the nimber of people on this board about coast to coast are so smart they don't fall for any conspiracies, paranormal, know everything there is to know about everything, hate every host to ever host coast to coast accept art bell who hasn't been on in 10 years. Why exactly are you here? Go watch Anderson Cooper and Rachel Maddow.  After all CNN, the NYTimes only tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. If its not there it's clearly just made up for corporate profits.

I have enough education and research ability to catch some of the guests either in lies or presenting concepts they don't understand and haven't researched very well, or offering extremely biased unsubstantiated arguments.  This type of presenter upsets me as they are immoral or incompetent enough to distribute fear, paranoia, and ignorance to millions of people for their own ends.  Some of them fool me for a good part of the show until they get into an area I'm better versed in.  Most I'm not knowledgeable enough to know either way.  However, devoting yourself to a modest well-rounded education and challenging yourself to think critically instead of blindly getting all your information from fringe media will allow anyone to evaluate at least a portion of what happens on this program.

I listen for the guests who do come on with compelling stories that are unusual, detailed, and not fraught with logical inconsistencies and misunderstandings or misrepresentations.  Unfortunately when you have hosts who are unable to keep up with the conversation, or unable to dig, or unable to ask coherent questions it it makes even these interviews much less than they could be.

[Morgus]

What is this "Mothership" garbage all of the time?

Thats part of Wells' shtick.
He calls the show the 'mothership' with ship's captain Noory and labels the call-in lines now 'astrolines' 

[West of the Rockies]

It's a schtick, sort of like Jim Rome calling phonelines "vines":  "Hey, thanks for the vine, Jim!"  When you have no actual content, pyrotechnics is what you rely on.  Wells is all voice and smug self-satisfaction.

[RedMichael]

I think that lowers his doom and gloom show percentage to 90ish%.


It was nice his friend could call in and say he should be the host.

[Nebraska888]

John "He Smells" Bee Wells, was awful as usual. I like him personally, but he's not a good host. What is this "Mothership" garbage all of the time? At this point my vote goes to G. Knapp for best host to follow in Art's shoes.

Nearly EVERYONE agrees that Knapp is the best......but, he will NEVER NEVER NEVER take the host seat full time.  Time for all of us to give up that dream.

[VtaGeezer]

Unfortunately when you have hosts who are unable to keep up with the conversation, or unable to dig, or unable to ask coherent questions it it makes even these interviews much less than they could be.

The other part of this problem is that good interviewers realize that they don't have to "own" the guests story lock,stock & barrel.  Art B is a very good interviewer in his context, as is Larry King, Tony Rose, and a few others.  They have no problem challenging a guest's line if it sounds fishy or intellectually dishonest. Noory and Wells blow past such details and fawn over whoever is on the other end of the line and rarely issue even a mild challenge even to the most outrageous crap.

[expat]

I wonder if some of us aren't investing Art Bell with more interviewing skill than he really deserves. In my memory, he wasn't very keen to challenge bullshit.

I offer one example: It was Bell himself who described the first image of the so-called Face on Mars sent by Mars Global Surveyor as a "catbox." This was after Hoagland had raved and screamed that JPL had "stolen" half the gray scales. A really well briefed host might have said "Well, Richard, you got what you deserved. Thanks to your letter-writing campaign, the MGS team were forced to image the damn thing when the spacecraft was not positioned for it and when the Martian weather was totally unfavorable."

[Mind Flayer Monk]

The flouridation of water conspiracy theory is incorrect; its really the iodization of salt that causes the problems.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

I wonder if some of us aren't investing Art Bell with more interviewing skill than he really deserves. In my memory, he wasn't very keen to challenge bullshit.

Art often just said "Oh yes" when confronted with bullshit. Somehow, it was more interesting than "somethings going on"

[Nebraska888]

I wonder if some of us aren't investing Art Bell with more interviewing skill than he really deserves. In my memory, he wasn't very keen to challenge bullshit.

I offer one example: It was Bell himself who described the first image of the so-called Face on Mars sent by Mars Global Surveyor as a "catbox." This was after Hoagland had raved and screamed that JPL had "stolen" half the gray scales. A really well briefed host might have said "Well, Richard, you got what you deserved. Thanks to your letter-writing campaign, the MGS team were forced to image the damn thing when the spacecraft was not positioned for it and when the Martian weather was totally unfavorable."

Uhmmmmmmm......you are reading my mind.  I listen to SOMEWHERE IN TIME every Saturday night and tons of old Art Bell shows on YOUTUBE........so, I am well aware of some of his "responses".   

[expat]

Art often just said "Oh yes" when confronted with bullshit. Somehow, it was more interesting than "somethings going on"

Now there I totally agree. Noory's offhand "No doubt about that" is just awful. Sloppy, lazy, amateur.

GNS.

[West of the Rockies]

It has been so long since I've listened to the program now.  Does C2C still use the "Wanna take a ride" teaser?  Does anyone play "Some Velvet Morning" anymore?  The sense of mystery has utterly evaporated.  We are left with the faint odor of stale farts as Noory and Tommy look back-and-forth and deny authorship.

[Morgus]

It has been so long since I've listened to the program now.  Does C2C still use the "Wanna take a ride" teaser?  Does anyone play "Some Velvet Morning" anymore?  The sense of mystery has utterly evaporated.  We are left with the faint odor of stale farts as Noory and Tommy look back-and-forth and deny authorship.

No they don't use "wanna take a ride" anymore - that was only with Art Bell.
Noory has his own lines instead like "there are no coincidences"
The staff still randomly selects some of the old Art Bell classic bumper music from time to time including "Some Velvet Morning" but they play it inappropriately compared to how Art connected his bumper music selections to what was going on with the show at the same time...

[PB the Deplorable]

No they don't use "wanna take a ride" anymore - that was only with Art Bell.
Noory has his own lines instead like "there are no coincidences"
The staff still randomly selects some of the old Art Bell classic bumper music from time to time including "Some Velvet Morning" but they play it inappropriately compared to how Art connected his bumper music selections to what was going on with the show at the same time...

George 'gets' Coast much the same way he claims to 'get' physics.  Ironically, that's a statement he'd agree with

[UnscreenedCaller]

However, devoting yourself to a modest well-rounded education and challenging yourself to think critically instead of blindly getting all your information from fringe media will allow anyone to evaluate at least a portion of what happens on this program.

That succinctly sums up what's wrong with C2C since Noory took over and Wells climbed on board. I realize that a lot of the subject matter was always 'fringe' even in Art's day, but it was subject matter that was different, unique and fun, wasn't covered anywhere else and was where Art found his true voice.


The Wells shows are political shows dipping into fringe media and passing it off as the truth. I don't think Wells believes half the bullshit he spouts, because if he did, he'd be a paranoid idiot. It's his schtick, what he was hired to do, stir the paranoid conspiracy pot, something Art wouldn't allow when he was there. And instead of the audience that used to listen in, he's attracting Jones' fans, people who really believe Sandy Hook or Aurora were false flag operations, or that Fema is running death camps. This group has lost all capacity to think for themselves, to question the most ridiculous of accusations. Frankly, if the Sandy Hook crime scene photos were released, they'd still think it was a cover up. And this is what C2C is now attracting, with the exception of Knapp and Ian: people who are happy to be led by the nose into whatever conspiracy du jour Jones, or Wells' guests come up with because they've been conditioned to distrust everyone and everything in government, not that the government is lily pure and incorruptible, but the critical thinking skills to weigh and balance these claims is missing and not to be a paranoid conspiracy theorist myself, but it seems as though they are being cynically and systematically manipulated into a dangerous mob mentality if only to make people like Jones and Wells and their stations rich.

[FM451]

Enjoyed the Saturday night show, about MU and Alien Abduction. Welcome change from the political/conspiracy shows. This kind of show is what I need to hear. Hoping that Wells will have some of the topics that Ian handled so well (Rennes-Le-Chateau, Death of Patton, Manson, Death of Sonny Bono, Dogtown, etc.), as well paranormal topics.

[VtaGeezer]

I wonder if some of us aren't investing Art Bell with more interviewing skill than he really deserves. In my memory, he wasn't very keen to challenge bullshit.

I offer one example: It was Bell himself who described the first image of the so-called Face on Mars sent by Mars Global Surveyor as a "catbox." This was after Hoagland had raved and screamed that JPL had "stolen" half the gray scales. A really well briefed host might have said "Well, Richard, you got what you deserved. Thanks to your letter-writing campaign, the MGS team were forced to image the damn thing when the spacecraft was not positioned for it and when the Martian weather was totally unfavorable."

"Challenging" need not mean confrontation. Bell was generally pretty well versed in the topics of his guests, he asked smart questions.  The bullshit he did tolerate was the stuff that made C2C the program it was; Hoagland's screwy space stuff, Quayle's red-haired giants, Roswell and Area 51 legends, Dames' make-your-eyes-roll predictions. Where he did call bullshit was with 9/11 truthers, medical quackery, and really malevolent conspiracy theories. And he knew better than to give political ideologues much exposure.

[WOTR]

Nearly EVERYONE agrees that Knapp is the best......but, he will NEVER NEVER NEVER take the host seat full time.  Time for all of us to give up that dream.

It is probably for the best that neither Knapp nor Bell will ever captain the mothership.  At this point, I suspect that it would be fair to borrow Well's analogy of the ship and her captain.  It would not have mattered if Captain Edward Smith turned over command of the Titanic to the worlds most skillful seaman after ramming the iceberg.   The ship would still have slipped beneath the waves at exactly 2:20.  At this point, I think the captain is just rearranging the deck chairs while the passengers (or listeners) get exactly what they are demanding (shows on political conspiracies and medical quackery.)  Good for Knapp wanting to steer clear of the impending disaster.  Nobody remembers the name of the ship's steward...

[Scully]

"Challenging" need not mean confrontation. Bell was generally pretty well versed in the topics of his guests, he asked smart questions.  The bullshit he did tolerate was the stuff that made C2C the program it was; Hoagland's screwy space stuff, Quayle's red-haired giants, Roswell and Area 51 legends, Dames' make-your-eyes-roll predictions. Where he did call bullshit was with 9/11 truthers, medical quackery, and really malevolent conspiracy theories. And he knew better than to give political ideologues much exposure.

Exactly.  I listened to Somewhere in Time Saturday night even though the topic listed sounded boring. I quickly found myself sucked into the ebb and flow as Art made things come to life.  He asked the questions I wanted to know, and he chuckled when appropriate, and didn't chuckle when it wasn't.  It was like he was a real person, not a wind-up Snoory.  The man was born with a talent, and when there was BS, he was a genius at signalling by just the tone of his voice what he really thought.

[Juan]

"Oh, yes," = "Fascinating"

[b_dubb]

I had to stop listening at the first caller. Are the call screeners looking for obsequious jackasses? Stuttering, fawning, obsequious jackasses? WTF?

[Nebraska888]

Enjoyed the Saturday night show, about MU and Alien Abduction. Welcome change from the political/conspiracy shows. This kind of show is what I need to hear. Hoping that Wells will have some of the topics that Ian handled so well (Rennes-Le-Chateau, Death of Patton, Manson, Death of Sonny Bono, Dogtown, etc.), as well paranormal topics.

Yes!   I turned off Wells every Saturday night after about the first hour.  However, last Saturday.....I listened all night.

[stevesh]

Bad news for John B. Onghit's side business:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/japans-radiation-disaster-toll-none-dead-none-sick-20130604-2nomz.html