Guns

[Unquenchable Angst]

Mossberg 500 12 guage pump
18" cyl bore
24" rifled slug
24" all purpose  for ducks and turkeys

[Mind Flayer Monk]

The property I just bought is in the county, and I can fire guns all day long if I wanted to there.  Can't wait till I have my house built!

Are all the animal crossing signs full of bullet holes?

Mossberg 500 12 guage pump

I had one of these for years but the cost of shooting a shotgun for recreation went up so much I got rid of it and went to something with lower ammo costs. But now ammo costs for anything are just too expensive.

[steelbot]

Taurus PT 840 .40 Cal. (sold this past year)

[area51drone]

Are all the animal crossing signs full of bullet holes?

No crossing signs.   My favorite part is the property is immediately adjacent to a community of 60-70 or so upper scale homes, all subject to CCR's and within the no-shooting zone set up in our county.  And here I will be next door... bang, bang, bang, bang.. at least as long as my stupid neighbor has his dumb little shit dog outside barking.

[George Drooly]

http://youtu.be/SfDjvhsdQoo

[area51drone]

Why is it that fat dudes like guns so much?

[George Drooly]

Something about not being able to find their junk?

[area51drone]

Something about not being able to find their junk?

Ahh.. indeed.

[Grov505th]

Ok lets see:
2 M1903 springfields
2 K98Ks
2 #4Mk1s
1 M91/30
1 M44
1 M1 carbine
1 M1 Garand
1 G43
1 Bren LMG
1 Savage Model 99 (was my great grandfathers)

[UnscreenedCaller]

A five year old came up to me in class an hour ago, and proceeded to tell me that if a bad kid comes into school with a gun, he's hiding under a table. My first response was to reassure him that that will never happen in our school, but in truth, I don't know that. We have lockdown drills for intruders since 9/11 and the wave of school violence and it frightens all the kids, because they, like this little guy, listen to the news and this is now part of their world.

No matter what a person's stance is on guns, the violence in schools is affecting our children early and profoundly. This is deeply troubling.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

No matter what a person's stance is on guns, the violence in schools is affecting our children early and profoundly. This is deeply troubling.

Eh.  When I was a lad it was about the commies dropping the big one on us.  We had drills to jump under tables for that, just like now.  Kids are always being traumatized by the insanity of adults, it's only the method that changes.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Eh.  When I was a lad it was about the commies dropping the big one on us.  We had drills to jump under tables for that, just like now.  Kids are always being traumatized by the insanity of adults, it's only the method that changes.

I did 'duck and cover' until my brother told me my ass would be grass, desk or no desk. But this is different - sure, kids got scared of the big ones. Even now, I've awakened from t-storms thinking it was a nuke, but that's free floating anxiety. Kids today are reading and hearing about shootings almost every day. It's personal to them, not an abstract as it was when I was a kid, and I think it damages them. Certainly it's sad when a 5 year old's innocence is taken and he can actually think about kids in his school harming him.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

I did 'duck and cover' until my brother told me my ass would be grass, desk or no desk. But this is different - sure, kids got scared of the big ones. Even now, I've awakened from t-storms thinking it was a nuke, but that's free floating anxiety. Kids today are reading and hearing about shootings almost every day. It's personal to them, not an abstract as it was when I was a kid, and I think it damages them. Certainly it's sad when a 5 year old's innocence is taken and he can actually think about kids in his school harming him.

I agree with you about the trauma.  This is nothing new, though, for inner-city youths who have been experiencing some version of it for years.  I'm not attacking you personally, this obviously has affected you deeply and might have for some time now, but your comments plus similar stuff I've read makes me believe there is truth in the complaint that the public only begins to care about problems when they start affecting white people.

[UnscreenedCaller]

I agree with you about the trauma.  This is nothing new, though, for inner-city youths who have been experiencing some version of it for years.  I'm not attacking you personally, this obviously has affected you deeply and might have for some time now, but your comments plus similar stuff I've read makes me believe there is truth in the complaint that the public only begins to care about problems when they start affecting white people.

The kid in question isn't white, but I take your point about inner city children and gun violence. It's a valid point.

[Unquenchable Angst]

I do not remember ever having 'duck and cover ' drills growing up in North Carolina. I think they were wiser there. My sister remembers having to do them when we lived in Michigan prior to 1954, I was first grade in 1953,

[UnscreenedCaller]

It was a staple drill in NYC for many, many years.

[Ben Shockley]

[Anti-nuke duck-and-cover] was a staple drill in NYC for many, many years.

Which is obviously why President Henry Fonda could display such aplomb in ordering the self-sacrificial "self-retaliatory" nuking of NYC back in 1964.  He was confident in the survival of the grade-schoolers, at least.

[UnscreenedCaller]

Which is obviously why President Henry Fonda could display such aplomb in ordering the self-sacrificial "self-retaliatory" nuking of NYC back in 1964.  He was confident in the survival of the grade-schoolers, at least.

The day I saw actual footage from Hiroshima was the day I became extremely skeptical of any and all forms of government issued propaganda.

[Yorkshire pud]

Shame Qunt Karl isn't here to see this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578

[UnscreenedCaller]

Shame Qunt Karl isn't here to see this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578

Pretty much makes the case, doesn't it?

[FightTheFuture]

Without even digging into all the data and particulars... I'm calling bullchit.

I'm just not buying it.

[Yorkshire pud]

Without even digging into all the data and particulars... I'm calling bullchit.

I'm just not buying it.

That's a given... La la la la la la la la...

"Coincident exactly with the policy change, there was an immediate upward trajectory to the homicide rates in Missouri," said Prof Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research.

"That upward trajectory did not happen with homicides that did not involve guns; it did not occur to any neighbouring state; the national trend was doing the opposite â€" it was trending downward; and it was not specific to one or two localities â€" it was, for the most part, state-wide," he told BBC News.

The team said it took account of changes that occurred in policing levels and incarceration rates, trends in burglaries, and statistically controlled for other possible confounding factors such as shifts in unemployment and poverty.


What was stark, added Prof Webster, was the rise in the number of handguns that subsequently found their way into the hands of criminals.

The team counted a doubling of handguns shortly after sale being recovered from scenes of crimes or from criminals.

"This study is compelling confirmation that weaknesses in firearm laws lead to deaths from gun violence," said Prof Webster.

The Johns Hopkins researcher was participating in a discussion here at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).

My Bold: Really? Quelle surpise!

[awake]

Shame Qunt Karl isn't here to see this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578

I'm happily surprised that we agree on gun control laws.

[SciFiAuthor]

What it doesn't say is that Missouri's murder rate has returned back to pre-repeal levels, despite the repeal still being in effect. That calls this "scientific" study into question because you should see a steady rise in murder rates or a sustained higher number because the law remains repealed. That isn't present, it was a spike and our murder rate now is significantly less than the rate we had during the period when we had the strictest gun laws in place during the 1990's.

Spikes are spikes. The same yearly increases and decreases of that magnitude happened before the law was repealed. 2003-2004 jumped by 65 murders, larger than the 2007-2008 spike. Well, the permit law was in effect during that time.

The real truth is that Missouri's murder numbers have dropped to levels it hasn't seen since the 1960's, despite population growth. I wonder why no one mentions or talks about that in the media.

[FightTheFuture]

That's a given... La la la la la la la la...

My Bold: Really? Quelle surpise!

Bloomberg funded the study. That's akin to the KKK funding a study on the inferiority of non-caucasian people. Any guesses how that might come out?

It's rubbish.

[Yorkshire pud]

Bloomberg funded the study. That's akin to the KKK funding a study on the inferiority of non-caucasian people. Any guesses how that might come out?

It's rubbish.

And the NRA is an unbiased public body? Oh hang on....But hey, you think guys who deliberately get bitten by snakes are to be admired.. because it's 'strong'..

[Mgs1986]

The entire Guncontrol debate is the product of limp wristed, panzies...Same as that bright shining healthcare...crock of shit, all these people in charge are not really americans, america has become a business it's that simple, its whatever sells...this sickens me deeply, So you have these vanilla ass cookie cutter basket cases, who wanna demonize guns, how about people are inherently violent, this has always been the point, and unless they have a moral balance beam, they are gonna do some seriously messed up things, just read up on some twisted cases from before "gun crimes" were over dramatized, for instance, Adam Lanza had no fucking AR-15, in fact he had handguns. Point is these are back lashes from someone or individuals signaled out by others to be punching bags both figuratively and litterally. What happens when you beat an animal, or a dog perhaps? eventually they turn ugly, and not of their own choosing. When you unlock true hatred and ruthlessness in someone, the outcome can be "disturbing" for lack of a better word. My father was killed by his own brother, who was marine paratrooper during the gulf war, he was also mentally unstable, in One day my uncle steven, murdered my father, and my uncle Brian. One brother murdered the other two with a 30-06 high powered rifle. That was in 1994, I was not even ten years old, today I am 27 and I can honestly say, I've never been anti-gun in my life, in fact that made me realize, It doesn't matter what the method is, if someone is gonna snap and kill, they will snap and kill. Maybe society should look more deeply into what creates these cases, instead of going after weapons to defend our country, ourselves, our land and most of all our rights. Any american who would give up their rights, or use the question of why does anyone need to own an assault weapon, or high capacity mags,Is to put it bluntly "not being an american", anything besides an RPG or serious military hardware, like explosives and such should be regulated, though citizens should be on par with military per the constitutional definition...GUNS should continue to be unmolested, I feel for those states and places where sovereign american citizens are being raped of their rights by this global scheme of a massive disarming. I shall live and die by this "You cannot and shall not convince me of a free and peaceful society where not all occupants are free, and defintely not peaceful, where we are slaves to lenders and being converted to "Controlled" when we should be the "Controlling" not the government, we the people are the government. I know this rant is all over place

[Yorkshire pud]

The entire Guncontrol debate is the product of limp wristed, panzies...Same as that bright shining healthcare...crock of shit, all these people in charge are not really americans, america has become a business it's that simple, its whatever sells...this sickens me deeply, So you have these vanilla ass cookie cutter basket cases, who wanna demonize guns, how about people are inherently violent, this has always been the point, and unless they have a moral balance beam, they are gonna do some seriously messed up things, just read up on some twisted cases from before "gun crimes" were over dramatized, for instance, Adam Lanza had no fucking AR-15, in fact he had handguns. Point is these are back lashes from someone or individuals signaled out by others to be punching bags both figuratively and litterally. What happens when you beat an animal, or a dog perhaps? eventually they turn ugly, and not of their own choosing. When you unlock true hatred and ruthlessness in someone, the outcome can be "disturbing" for lack of a better word. My father was killed by his own brother, who was marine paratrooper during the gulf war, he was also mentally unstable, in One day my uncle steven, murdered my father, and my uncle Brian. One brother murdered the other two with a 30-06 high powered rifle. That was in 1994, I was not even ten years old, today I am 27 and I can honestly say, I've never been anti-gun in my life, in fact that made me realize, It doesn't matter what the method is, if someone is gonna snap and kill, they will snap and kill. Maybe society should look more deeply into what creates these cases, instead of going after weapons to defend our country, ourselves, our land and most of all our rights.

Oh please! You've been listening to too much Alex Jones. In 2014, if you seriously think you need guns to defend your country from the government (or a foreign power with nuclear weapons), you're catastrophically deluded. If you need them to defend yourself from the other 320 million or so then you frankly haven't anything worth defending, you're living in a basket case of a country that has hardly evolved from the stone age. You'd let anyone, irrespective of their ability, mental state and aptitude have a gun? Oh wait, you already do.

Any american who would give up their rights, or use the question of why does anyone need to own an assault weapon, or high capacity mags,Is to put it bluntly "not being an american",

And you're not being intelligent. Being 'American' involves having an assault weapon? What about an education? What about being healthy? If being American means carrying a weapon above all else, you're fucked.

anything besides an RPG or serious military hardware, like explosives and such should be regulated, though citizens should be on par with military per the constitutional definition

Why should they be? You're defending your country aren't you? The enemy will have RPG's and Tanks and surface to surface cruise missiles, why shouldn't you?

...GUNS should continue to be unmolested, I feel for those states and places where sovereign american citizens are being raped of their rights by this global scheme of a massive disarming. I shall live and die by this "You cannot and shall not convince me of a free and peaceful society where not all occupants are free, and defintely not peaceful, where we are slaves to lenders and being converted to "Controlled" when we should be the "Controlling" not the government, we the people are the government. I know this rant is all over place

Well you got that bit right.

There is no 'global scheme of disarming'..they just didn't have unbridled insecurity and paranoia in the first place, or regulation has been demanded by the very people who you say don't control. Such as in the UK, and France, most of Europe, Australia.

[PB the Deplorable]

Shame Qunt Karl isn't here to see this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578

"The study links the abandonment of the background check to an additional 60 or so murders occurring per year in Missouri between 2008 and 2012"

What sane person is against background checks?   This isn't an argument for what people usually mean by 'gun control', it's an argument for not selling them to known criminals and kooks.

[Yorkshire pud]

"The study links the abandonment of the background check to an additional 60 or so murders occurring per year in Missouri between 2008 and 2012"

What sane person is against background checks?   This isn't an argument for what people usually mean by 'gun control', it's an argument for not selling them to known criminals and kooks.

Good point: So why are some against them? Why is it assumed that a gun user knows how to use one? Why is it assumed they'll know when not to use one? Why is it assumed they're of sound mind and aptitude to have one?