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Quote from: 21st Century Man on September 09, 2016, 02:09:36 PMI'm speaking from experience not feelings.
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 09, 2016, 01:36:41 PMcontrolling sugar.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 02:16:06 PMYou're speaking about your feelings about your experience, which I totally understand. I've seen enough of the bullshit that can be associated with drugs to almost have similar feelings. However, I value the truth more.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 09, 2016, 12:35:44 PMIts unfair that the little boy's face is shown;
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 02:18:24 PMThat's only because it proves to be more destructive than marijuana and heroin combined...but don't let the science stand in the way of your feelings about something. You let 'em know who's boss!
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 12:59:27 PMWhile this is tragic I object to the title of the thread, which is obviously meant to associate heroin with all other drugs (or at least the ones you don't like). Nice try but Mr. Mackey already beat you to it.
Quote from: K_Dubb on September 09, 2016, 02:28:13 PMRelax, dude, I think I'm on your side in this, though not without some trepidation.
Quote from: 21st Century Man on September 09, 2016, 02:26:26 PMTo answer your earlier questions, maybe banning alcohol would be the right thing to do but we already tried to put that genie back in the bottle and that failed. No point in trying to do it again. I'm just saying that legalizing drugs would be opening Pandora's box to use another metaphor. I think we seriously ought to consider the ramifications before we do something like that. Anyway, that is why I'm not a libertarian. I detest drugs and don't want to see them legalized. However, I am as fervently for the right for you to oppose me if such a measure came up for a vote.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 02:14:04 PMReally?! The brain doesn't stop forming until you're in your twenties. Please, tell me more Mr. Wizard. :
QuoteI'm for legalizing everything but, of course, there should be controls and limits. Nice strawman attempt though.
QuoteThe problem in making it a political football or a legal issue is that it creates more problems than it solves but good luck with your witch hunt, guys. When you're done rounding up all the marijuana and heroin users just remember that your posse will get bored and look for something/someone else to go after and this time it might be you for something you do or value.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 09, 2016, 02:33:55 PMAhh the old 'strawman' reposte.. we both have no idea what you mean by that.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 02:32:53 PMDude, alcohol IS a drug...and so are lots of other things already in market. That box IS open. The genie has long been out of the bottle. Good luck getting the toothpaste back in the tube.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 09, 2016, 01:16:49 PMYes, in the same way tobacco is. If Tobacco was discovered now it would be class A, no question. Beer was only invented by monks because the water was undrinkable, but booze kills thousands a year, either directly or indirectly. Just because both are legal doesn't mean Dope should be, Its been very well manipulated under the guise of 'medicinal'. Oh bingo, we'll sell it now under medicinal even if it isn't. Cynical marketing, much?
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 03:53:09 PMFrom https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trendsMarijuana use has increased since 2007. In 2013, there were 19.8 million current usersâ€"about 7.5 percent of people aged 12 or olderâ€"up from 14.5 million (5.8 percent) in 2007.Use of most drugs other than marijuana has stabilized over the past decade or has declined. In 2013, 6.5 million Americans aged 12 or older (or 2.5 percent) had used prescription drugs nonmedically in the past month. Prescription drugs include pain relievers, tranquilizers, stimulants, and sedatives. And 1.3 million Americans (0.5 percent) had used hallucinogens (a category that includes ecstasy and LSD) in the past month.
Quote from: 21st Century Man on September 09, 2016, 03:59:21 PMHeroin use has increased. You're also making my point about marijuana. As marijuana has become legal in some states and more acceptable in others, use has increased. Look for that trend to continue if we loosen the laws further.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 02:14:04 PM ...I'm for legalizing everything but, of course, there should be controls and limits. Nice strawman attempt though. The problem in making it a political football or a legal issue is that it creates more problems than it solves but good luck with your witch hunt, guys. When you're done rounding up all the marijuana and heroin users just remember that your posse will get bored and look for something/someone else to go after and this time it might be you for something you do or value.
Quote from: Catsmile on September 09, 2016, 04:23:57 PMIn that case you are not for legalization, if you want legal controls put in place on drugs. You are however for decriminalization, like most sane people. Alcohol and tobacco are decriminalized drugs. Legalized means that no laws would be in place around the usage of a substance. It may sound like picking nits, but there is a big difference between legalized and decriminalized. I love how most folks who want to keep some drugs illegal always overlook Fat, Sugar, Caffeine, Tobacco, and Alcohol as gateway drugs, but almost never fail to point at Cannabis as <ominous DUN DUN DUN!!> "THE GATEWAY DRUG"</ominous DUN DUN DUN!!>. It shows their ignorance, bias, agenda, or combinations thereof. sighSeventy years on and Reefer Madness continues. Over 40 years into Nixons War on Drugs, and the DEA is the first to say they are losing that war; despite spending Billions of dollars and millions of man hours. With untold lives lost or ruined on both sides of the drug war. However they do want us to give them billions of dollars more, so they can make a dent in "the drug problem". After 40 years... it would seem like the DEA is addicted to keeping drugs a problem, as it keeps the cash and power flowing into their collective pockets. Think about it. Winning the War on Drugs, or decriminalization would mean packing up going home and finding another job, with less power, perks, or pay. Fuck that!! Amirite?!Drugs are not new to Humanity, they have been with us even before written history. Yet here we are, somehow. Humans have always had a desire to alter their perception/consciousnesses, using a multitude of avenues, not just drugs. No amount of legislation or decrees will change such a fundamental human desire, no matter how harsh the punishment; including death. Such legislation and decrees do however create flourishing black markets; and always have throughout history. Legislating morality nevar workz. Nao or evarmoar.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 02:30:12 PMI'm probably the most relaxed person in this thread. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why.
Quote from: mikuthing01 on September 09, 2016, 04:52:50 PMWhen i went though a Ron Paul libertarian phase i thought they should legalize all drugs and let it kill the stupid people off. I have only had one friend who did drugs but i didn't hang around him when he did it. Marijuana was a gateway drug for him though he started off on it then a few years later found out he was doing cocaine. And after that guy got his face eaten off by a dindu on bath salts he overheard us talking about it and said "dude bath salts wont do that" turns out he had done bath salts also. He has a good job now though and seems to have got his life together, at least i hope so. I never seen the appeal of drugs so i never touched them. When i was a teenager i tried alcohol a few times and never liked it. I think the appeal was that i was underage and i could get in trouble, i never drank it again after the age of 21. I get my highs off doing stupid shit with cars, jeeps, atv's and dirt bikes and that's deadly enough without being inebriated. It should be kept strictly illegal except in the case of some diseases, not bullshit excuses like anxiety
Quote from: Philosopher on September 09, 2016, 12:56:22 PMHmmmm... legalized pot = more heroin use?http://www.9news.com/news/health/heroin-overdose-deaths-increase-in-colorado/212448459
Quote from: norland2424 on September 09, 2016, 06:58:15 PMDr Md MD high on that heroin laced weed
Quote from: Hog on September 09, 2016, 07:26:06 PMNo he's a physician and has an endless supply of benzodioazepines. A couple Valium tends to chill even the most ardent tightwind.peaceHog
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 07:26:33 PMDon't you have some people you need to drop out of helicopters for Hillary or something? :
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 07:16:26 PMI respect your choice but you understand that though we're all the same species we're not all identically alike, right? While the hardware of out brains is pretty much the same across the board the chemical software (if you will) can be quite different between us.
Quote from: norland2424 on September 09, 2016, 07:31:28 PMlol dont you see satire when you read it buddy :, im agreeing with what your saying in here
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on September 09, 2016, 07:42:01 PMI know. I still thought my zinger was kinda funny though.