Started by Marc.Knight, March 20, 2010, 01:13:07 PM
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Quote from: mikemcc on March 23, 2010, 04:23:48 PMYep -- legalize it. Tax it and/or let people grow their own.
Quote from: Marc Knight on March 23, 2010, 08:35:45 PMMarijuana sucks.
Quote from: MV on March 23, 2010, 09:55:57 PMfurthermore, i think if the ill effects of any drug are truly of concern to the prohibition crowd, they should turn their gaze to the pills legally sold by big pharma... pushed by lobbyists... and endorsed by paid (bought) legislators. the cdc says over 300,000 people are killed each year in the usa due to adverse pharmaceutical reactions.
Quote from: Marc Knight on March 23, 2010, 08:35:45 PMPot head parents smoke wherever they like, including next to their innocent children. Literally thousands of children are exposed to that drug in Vermont alone, every day. It is permanently brain altering (as many long-term studies have proven) and has a more insidious effect: social de-integration. Many adults tend to become seriously psychologically dependent on pot, and instead of buying food and clothing for themselves or their children, they spend most of their money at the local drug dealer buffet. Inevitably, the family structure falls apart as every resource has to be devoted to attain that elusive, coveted, little baggy of pot.Marijuana sucks.
Quote from: Marc Knight on March 24, 2010, 09:04:29 AMThe pro-pot lobbyists have been very efficient at promoting the myth that pot is completely harmless and even "beneficial" both to the individual and to society as a whole. It is ravaging society. Of course, pot users have their judgement impaired, so they will not or cannot look at the issue objectively. A cursory internet review, or better yet, visiting re-hab centers and child welfare organizations, personally, will be an eye opener. I do not doubt that most people can "handle" their use of pot, both in consumption and acquisition. But, if legalized, perhaps millions more will join the stoner realm. Do we really want that? Go ahead - legalize it, but allow for some serious jail time and other punishment if kids are subjected to breathing it.
Quote from: mikemcc on March 24, 2010, 04:17:22 PM I understand that there are going to be differences of opinion about this issue, and I certainly respect yours, Marc. I do, though, disagree with your statement regarding rehab centers. I was "lucky" enough in my younger years to be madly in love with two different women -- both of whom were addicts -- one to alcohol and coke and one to alcohol and anything else she could stick down her throat or into her veins. As someone who cared very much for both of these women, I was very involved in their treatment at various rehab centers and frequently went for support meetings. One went through rehab twice before it "took"; the other went through once and never cared enough about any of it to go back to rehab after that first time didn't work. She's dead now; my understanding is that she literally drank herself into oblivion. I don't know first-hand, only through things I have heard through the grapevine. As much as I loved her, we parted ways when she started to shit the bed because she was so drunk and wasted on quaaludes. That's neither here nor there, really. What matters is that in all the times I went to support meetings at those rehab centers, I *never* encountered anyone who was there for weed. I saw people who were addicted to prescription drugs, coke (we didn't have crack then), heroin, and there were even a couple of young huffers who had fried their brains and were put into rehab by the court system. And, of course, the most common addicts of all were the many, many alcoholics. In addition, I regularly attended support groups for families of addicts including those sponsored by Al-Anon and Narc-Anon. In all the family discussions about the horrible experiences we had had as people who loved addicts, I never heard a horror story about weed. Not one. Neither did I ever hear a story about the horrible effects of weed in all the direct support groups with the addicts themselves. My experience is why I find your statement about pot "ravaging society" so curious when it is combined with your picture of rehab centers as places that must now be filled with people who are there to fight their weed addictions. Things must really have changed during the past 20 years! As someone who lives in the upper-Midwest where things are pretty calm (our news stories tend toward a cow who disturbs the neighbors because it moos too loudly at night rather than the six or eight or ten stories about murders and rapes that I hear in the first 10 minutes of a news broadcast when I visit many other areas of the country) so maybe we are just missing out on this social scourge. I hear lots in the news here about meth labs and terrible accidents caused by alcohol, but I just don't hear much of anything about weed. So, like I said, if weed is a scourge on society, we must be missing it here.
Quote from: Marc Knight on March 24, 2010, 04:13:33 PMIn 1999, more than 220,000 people entering drug abuse treatment programs reported that marijuana was their PRIMARY drug of abuse."Facts are weird, aren't they?
QuoteThe effects of marijuana on human physical aggression.Myerscough, Rodney; Taylor, Stuart P.Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Vol 49(6), Dec 1985, 1541-1546. doi: 10.1037/0022-35188.8.131.521Abstract30 male undergraduates received intense provocation following their ingestion of a low dose (.1 mg/kg), a medium dose (.25 mg/kg), or a high dose (.4 mg/kg) of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol. Each S was informed that he was competing in a reaction time (RT) task with another S in an adjoining room. At the beginning of each trial, he was told to select any 1 of 11 intensities of shock he wished his opponent to receive if his opponent lost the trial. If he lost, he would receive the shock his opponent had set for him. Regardless of who won, each S was able to see, following each trial, what level of shock his opponent had set for him. The frequency of wins and losses and the amount of shock received were programmed by the experimenter. Findings show that the Ss in the low-dose condition tended to respond in a more aggressive manner than the Ss in the moderate- and high-dose conditions. They set significantly higher shocks than Ss in the medium- and high-dose groups in a number of trials. Ss in the high-dose condition behaved in a relatively nonaggressive manner throughout the experimental session. Results support the consensus that marihuana does not instigate, precipitate, or enhance aggressive behavior. (20 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)
QuoteMarijuana-produced impairments in coordination: Experienced and inexperienced subjects.Milstein, Stephen L.; MacCannell, Keith; Karr, Gerry; Clark, StewartJournal of Nervous and Mental Disease, Vol 161(1), Jul 1975, 26-31. doi: 10.1097/00005053-197507000-00003AbstractThe effects of marihuana and a placebo on perceptual-motor coordination, motor ability, and visual perception were compared in 16 cannabis-experienced and 16 naive 21-59 yr old adults. Impairments in coordination were observed in both groups. However, the impairment was greater in the experienced than in the naive group. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)
QuotePSYCHOPHARMACOLOGYVolume 196, Number 1 (2008), 119-131, DOI: 10.1007/s00213-007-0940-7ORIGINAL INVESTIGATIONBrain imaging study of the acute effects of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) on attention and motor coordination in regular users of marijuanaAviv Weinstein, Orit Brickner, Hedva Lerman, Mazal Greemland, Miki Bloch, Hava Lester, Roland Chisin, Raphael Mechoulam, Rachel Bar-Hamburger and Nanette Freedman, et al.Download PDF (409.8 KB)View HTMLPermissions & ReprintsRelatedREFERENCES (65)CITED BY (9)EXPORT CITATIONABOUTAbstractProcedure Twelve regular users of marijuana underwent two positron emission tomography (PET) scans using [18F] Fluorodeoxyglucose (FDG), one while subject to the effects of 17 mg THC, the other without THC. In both sessions, a virtual reality maze task was performed during the FDG uptake period.Results When subject to the effects of 17 mg THC, regular marijuana smokers hit the walls more often on the virtual maze task than without THC. Compared to results without THC, 17 mg THC increased brain metabolism during task performance in areas that are associated with motor coordination and attention in the middle and medial frontal cortices and anterior cingulate, and reduced metabolism in areas that are related to visual integration of motion in the occipital lobes.Conclusion These findings suggest that in regular marijuana users, the immediate effects of marijuana may impact on cognitiveâ€"motor skills and brain mechanisms that modulate coordinated movement and driving.