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Quote from: GuerrillaUnReal on May 02, 2011, 03:06:05 AMAs a huge hockey fan, I just lol'ed my fucking ass off.
Quote from: aldousburbank on May 02, 2011, 10:26:35 AMFrom- http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/05/01/2011-05-01_osama_bin_laden_adolf_hitler_both_declared_dead_on_may_1.htmlOsama Bin Laden and Adolf Hitler share a towering reputation for evil - and also an anniversary.Both were declared dead on May 1.Late on May 1, 1945 - about as late as President Obama's TV announcement Sunday - German radio announced that Hitler had fallen "fighting to the last breath against Bolshevism and for Germany."He had actually committed suicide the day before.In some cultures May 1 is the official beginning of summer. In many places, May Day is also Labor Day, a celebration of the working man.May 1 is also the anniversary of President Bush's ill-conceived 2003 Mission Accomplished speech, prematurely announcing an end to combat in Iraq.Obama, who might have used the words in his TV address, did not.
Quote from: The General on May 02, 2011, 11:27:51 AMWow, Ev, that poll is ridiculous.Confusion? Fear? Anger? Who did they poll? Pakistan?Anyway, the #1 response SHOULD have been: satisfaction.
Quote from: EvB on May 02, 2011, 11:12:02 AMthis is interesting - a poll on emotional reactions to OBL's death from the New York Daily. Notice that "anger" is the top ranking answer. But what does that tell you? I imagine what it means is that thinking of OBL brings up their anger about what he stood for - but that's not clear form the poll. It kinda makes me want to think
QuoteThe offering of respect is certainly the honorable course. But, and I could be wrong, I think those we are trying to impress will see the gesture as hollow.
Quote from: George sucks on May 02, 2011, 11:53:02 AMPoll makes perfect sense when you consider their, New Yorkers, perspective. They are being forced to eat another shit sandwich and they are pissed.
Quote from: EvB on May 02, 2011, 11:54:42 AMsorry to be so dim, but could you expand on that please?
Quote from: onan on May 02, 2011, 10:03:43 AM No we shouldn't become what we despise. The offering of respect is certainly the honorable course. But, and I could be wrong, I think those we are trying to impress will see the gesture as hollow.
Quote from: George sucks on May 02, 2011, 01:56:58 PM911 was New York's disaster. The have a more intimate perspective. They lived it and the aftermath. A high percentage feel they were lied to and that the government did 911 . So they are pissed to begin with. And now, they have to listen to "we killed Osama". They feel they are being lied to again. If you look at the percentage of people that are angry in that poll, it is about the same percentage of New Yorkers that believe 911 was an inside job. To sum it up, it's all shit to them.
Quote from: The General on May 01, 2011, 09:16:11 PMWell, think about it.Have you ever seen them in the same room?I thought not.Maybe this was Art's big announcement.
Quote from: Michael V. on May 02, 2011, 02:29:44 PMi don't think it's honorable to offer respect blindly just because you fear the people to whom you are offering respect. furthermore, the arab world won't see this as a "hollow" gesture. they'll see it as weakness. americans have a lot of work to do if they're going to understand how the arab mind works. they do not think as we do.
Quote from: onan on May 02, 2011, 02:50:09 PM Respect is always honorable. Fearing something is not. It is funny how our judeo-christian belief systems muddy that fact. Instead of respect we should fear god. so it comes as little surprise to me that some would think respect out of fear is of some value. I guess if you are in a pasture and a bull is charging you, fear and respect are close cousins. And I completely agree that we need to understand others belief systems. So much easier said than done.
Quote from: EvB on May 02, 2011, 03:22:44 PMI am not a theologian, I just sometimes play one on the web but, i do know that translation is often an issue. for example - we are taught that there is a commandment "do not kill" when in fact many say that more accurate is "do not commit murder" - so, acts of war, self defence, judicial execution etc . . . do not come under this rule, no matter how much some would like us to think so. in this case, I suspect that in modern terms "fear god" would be more like "respect god" - as we respect electricity, guns, and other tools that are good but CAN do harm if we treat them casually (not that God is a tool - though we often think of god that way our mystical, magical backup system)Just a thought.
QuoteEvil is relativeâ€¦You canâ€™t hang a sign on it. You canâ€™t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
Quote from: Silent on May 02, 2011, 04:51:05 PMNow I feel dirty for spending four paragraphs defending the governments actions.
Quote from: onan on May 02, 2011, 04:57:56 PM you obviously never had my mothers meatloaf.
Quote from: anagrammy on May 02, 2011, 02:39:11 PM+1...Check this out:http://whatreallyhappened.com/Looks like America regularly jams internet sites when they want their stuff to pop up first with searches.
Quote from: EvB on May 02, 2011, 05:32:53 PMSilent,Thanks for getting dirty. That was a very insightful, well-presented post. Definitely thoughts to ponder. Ev
Quote from: Silent on May 02, 2011, 06:22:50 PMSure. I hope what I'm about to say doesn't detract from my previous post but I have been active duty military for almost 6 years (1 month to go!). I don't post that because I think that makes my opinions unique or of higher quality on the subject. I've never been deployed but I'm in daily contact with guys who've been in the middle of the shit so I hear their stories. Specifically the ones about their culture and how recruiting propaganda is done, it's almost unbelievable. When put into context of the rural, secluded villages and towns of Afghanistan and Pakistan it makes sense. These people don't get CNN or the internet. Most are uneducated and have no idea what's really going on around them. They get told America is the enemy, shown some victorious firefight video and are promised cash. That's all it takes.Now to rebuild my distrust of government reputation. Being in the military has only served to inflame and harden my cynicism toward government and authority. Very few join out of love of their country or some sense of duty. It's usually preceded by a long history of poor decisions which in the end make the military seem like a decent option. Hollywood won't show you that either. The military overall has been a positive experience on a personal and professional level. I've learned a lot, just not much of what they intended to teach me.Now don't go calling the cops thinking I'm a future McVeigh. I'm actually a decent, harmless guy I promise!
Quote from: onan on May 02, 2011, 06:46:59 PMAs to your point of the reasons people join the military. I was in the military just at the end of the "draft era". Sadly the same thing could be said then. What makes it even more troublesome is many find those that enlist as people that couldn't get a job anywhere else, or even worse beliefs.
QuoteI didn't mean to name a bunch of films, rather just one. And the guy that made the film has a bad rep in this forum by several. Michael Moore. He made the point that many of the soldiers in the military are there for financial reasons and that the our country had kinda sold them out. He was in awe of their sacrifice that so many of better opportunity would not make. Just sayin.