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Quote from: WOTR on October 10, 2022, 05:00:36 PMLets break this up into two...It's Putins fault for starting the war. That makes it pretty nice and removes all responsibility for the consequences of our actions from us.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 10, 2022, 09:01:36 PMUkraine was firing on the Russian speaking section of Ukraine for years before he invaded. Why do you keep playing dumb? Oh, right. Establishment deep throat. Also, stop pretending to be a pilot. No one's buying it.🙄
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 10, 2022, 09:15:42 PMFuck, if drumps gaffs were to be posted the bandwidth would melt.. Airports spring to mind?
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 10, 2022, 09:27:42 PMIt's only you think I'm a pilot, no-one else or me thinks I am! Ukraine wasn't firing into Russian speaking Ukraine, they were firing on the invading Russians you dumb fucking cunt. Who, let's not forget shot down a civilian airliner and tried to say it was the Ukrainians. All this is is an aside to the Putin friendly (and corrupt) former Ukrainian Prez was usurped, by Zelensky, Putin wasn't happy about that. Because the newcomer couldn't be molded, or blackmailed, as drump found out. If you're going to lie at least try to be convincing.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 10, 2022, 09:14:00 PMNo. And because you can't comprehend I'll try to explain it so you can have it read it to you.Dear Landlady/supervisor/psychiatric nurse, firstly can you explain your tenant/underling/patient isn't a real doctor, he lives under this delusion and has done for some time, and it isn't healthy. Thank you.Now the crux of what he needs to know. His future homeland Russia that has embraced such as Steven Seagal and Edward Snowden (Both of whom have Russian citizenship) has a former KGB Colonel who is the present President of Russia. Now, being an undemocratic country he has managed to ensure his position for over twenty years with a far from legitimate referendum a few years ago, made sure he'll be there up to 2036. In that time he's had killed and imprisoned any and all who speak, protest, or otherwise stand against him. Currently there is a political opponent in prison who Putin tried to have killed.Putin had his troops invade a sovereign country, namely Ukraine, unwanted and unprovoked (Other than having a democratically elected government, anathema to Putin) and having murdered several 1000 civilians and wiped out entire cities, Putin has found he's running out of troops who actually know what to do and equipment that still functions. Now, MD either knows this and pleads ignorance or he's just an idiot and hasn't the intelligence to find out what 99% the rest of the planet already knows. Either way he needs an intervention, because this can't be a good thing. Your md is a fan of Putin because he's a pseudo fascist, he probably also has friends in jam jars on his bathroom window ledge.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 10, 2022, 09:30:16 PMDefinitely:
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 10, 2022, 09:33:46 PMThat's certainly open to interpretation, depending upon whether you're a Russian speaking Ukrainian or not. Do you think you'll ever stop hating Russia? You seem pretty obsessed.
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 10, 2022, 09:36:38 PMAt least I'm not a pedophile, like you. Is everyone from GB a child-fucker?
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 10, 2022, 09:17:50 PMTrump pulled out of Syria, because Putin asked/told him to. Wasn't popular with the troops there but hey, when the C in C knows more than 'his' generals what can you do?
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 10, 2022, 09:43:06 PMOh my...
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 10, 2022, 09:41:15 PMOh boy...you open yourself wider than when you're in the steam room waiting for the 'Rough guys'. And here he is being all manly looking after his family..
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 10, 2022, 09:22:39 PMWho began WW2? The European version. Hitler? Nevil Chamberlin? The former invaded Poland, the latter declared war on Germany. Was Chamberlin correct or should he have just stuck to his 'piece of paper' from Adolf? I know he was superseded by Churchill who carried it through but who started that little scrap in the playground?
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 10, 2022, 09:46:43 PMOh, are you the only one allowed to make groundless, outrageous accusations?
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 10, 2022, 10:38:56 AMGood riddance. You're literally less than 5% of the population.
Quote from: WOTR on October 10, 2022, 09:52:49 PMOff to Hitler already? Seems a tad early at only page 10.I will ask if you can think of a single country that the US / Britain / "the west" has not invaded, occupied, declared war on, overthrown the government or doped tens of thousand of bombs from drones on in the last century? If any invasion of any land is cause for WWIII and killing off what is left of our economy, then I would say that we beat Putin to that 100 times over. (or is it only because it is the Ukraine and a "friendly" country that makes them count where all of the others did not?)Perhaps I should ask if the US should have just allowed the Russian warheads in Cuba? If the answer is no, then why should Putin applaud NATO on his boarder?
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 10, 2022, 09:36:38 PMAt least I'm not a pedophile
Quote from: WOTR on October 10, 2022, 05:00:36 PMLets break this up into two...It's Putins fault for starting the war. That makes it pretty nice and removes all responsibility for the consequences of our actions from us. It's funny. I recall hitting a kid in grade one and saying "but he started it." Didn't work out too well for me. But it's believed by millions if a senile senior citizen says it.
Quote from: WOTR on October 10, 2022, 05:10:28 PMHow is that working out? Is the vaccine still effective? Still something where the vaccinated can't catch or spread Covid? Still need to be worried because it is only the unvaccinated who spread this horrible, deadly disease?Are we still hoping that if just another percent or two of the population gets a shot that we will finally eradicate this plague?
Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 11, 2022, 04:46:38 AMNATO is a defensive alliance, it's not a hostile invasion force. They only go into action of one of them is attacked (Article 5). The fact that you can conflate that with the Cuban Missile Crisis shows how deep the Russian propaganda has got into people. Khrushchev was actively using the nukes as a threat.
Quote from: K_Dubb on October 11, 2022, 09:49:53 AMIt doesn't matter, it was another collective effort based on what we knew at the time from which you exempted yourself by a shaky grab at moral virtue. I would love to read your exemption request. Do the starving kids in Africa figure in that one, too?
Quote from: WOTR on October 11, 2022, 10:41:26 AMThere was maybe two months were that was true. If you were not blinded by fear, there was already data leaking that said otherwise by the time that I was supposed to line up like a good slave and take the medicine my master told me to.I think my decision aged a lot better than the totalitarian's who wished me dead, wanted to deny me health care, and actually did remove my legal freedom to leave my house for a couple of months for anything other than work and getting groceries (which, of course, I followed.) Hell, Chomsky wanted to go a step further and not allow me to work or buy groceries.As for my exemption- I have let a number of people read it and emailed parts of it to somebody else on this board. I suppose that I trust them not to weaponize it against me during a debate about the Ukraine.*No African kids were mentioned it it. But the evolution of my views on gay men were- no, I'm not joking.
Quote from: K_Dubb on October 10, 2022, 09:01:34 AMRussia has been jacking around their fertilizer exports to try to get sanctions relaxed, first they froze it for leverage and now trying to bargain. US State Dept. says they are working with them to ship. Either way, starving African kids are Pootie's fault for starting the damn war.How many Ukrainians is up to them. It's pretty rich for you to want the Ukrainians to just roll over for the poor starving kids in AfricaQuotewhen you wouldn't even take a stupid shot for your neighbors' sake.
Quotewhen you wouldn't even take a stupid shot for your neighbors' sake.
Quoteᴡʜᴀᴛ ꜱʜᴏᴜʟᴅ ʀᴜꜱꜱɪᴀɴꜱ ᴅᴏ ᴛᴏ ꜱᴀᴠᴇ ᴛʜᴇɪʀ ꜱᴏᴜʟꜱ ꜰʀᴏᴍ ᴛʜᴇᴍꜱᴇʟᴠᴇꜱ?The Russian people's record with respect to Vladimir Putin, his fascist regime, and its imperialist-genocidal policies isn't exactly stellar. About three-quarters have actively supported the man and his misdeeds for more than two decades. Theirs are sins of commission. Except for some large demonstrations, the remaining quarter has preferred to look the other way, staying mum while Putin dismantled democracy, flexed his muscles abroad, and created the illusion of prosperity. Theirs are sins of omission. A few had the moral backbone to oppose the regime. They are saints.The French philosopher Joseph de Maistre claimed that "every nation has the government it deserves." Russia, alas, appears to be a case in point.Despite these pessimistic conclusions, no nation is fated to damnation and no nation is morally unregenerate — unless, of course, it does nothing to stop its descent into hell. So, too, the Russians are redeemable, if they redeem themselves.Ideally, the Russian people would have embarked on the path of moral regeneration on Feb. 23, a day before Putin's obedient troops invaded and subsequently raped Ukraine. Opposition to the war would have been an ethically motivated choice. Instead, the vast majority supported the war and may still support it.Today, the war has come home. In yet another strategic blunder of the first magnitude, Putin decided it would be a good idea to mobilize up to 1 million men who hitherto had led their lives as passive onlookers. In an instant, Putin made all Russian men — as well as all Russian women and children — active participants in a bloody enterprise with no purpose.Several hundred thousand Russian men immediately headed for the exits — not so much in protest against the war as in protest against their dying in the war. Their families and relatives shared their outrage. With one idiotic move, Putin ensured that Russians would mobilize, but against his regime. Neither Washington nor Kyiv could have done a better job.Increasingly, Russians are beginning to see the light: The war is criminal, Putin is a thug, and the Russian people made it all possible. Redemption, finally, is in sight.What should Russians do to save their souls from themselves?For starters, they need to state clearly, to the world, that they have sinned by enabling Putin and supporting his crimes, and that they seek redemption. Deeply ingrained religious traditions related to crime, guilty consciences and punishment will help, but atonement won't be easy; it will entail opposing the Russian Orthodox Church and its patriarch, who has sided with the "devil." Russians will need to seek forgiveness outside their own religious institutions, practices, and customs.The truth and reconciliation commissions introduced by South Africa after the fall of apartheid suggest how Russians might proceed. They will need to tell the world — and Ukrainians, above all — that they have committed terrible crimes of commission and omission, ask for forgiveness, and are ready to atone by providing reparations to the victims of genocide and war. As in the past, Russia's cultural and intellectual elites — the intelligentsia — will have to show the way. The operatic diva Anna Netrebko, for example, could do better than her lukewarm condemnation of the war in March, while conductor Valery Gergiev has refused to do even that. Both could set an example by loudly, ostentatiously, and publicly condemning the regime. As Russian superstars, they have nothing to fear from the regime.This first step is essential; anything less than a full confession will smack of insincerity and suggest that Russians share Putin's maniacal goals, while disagreeing only about means.The next step involves a godsend from Putin: mobilization. Russian men must continue to escape the draft, but with even greater vigor. Those who can go abroad should go abroad. Those who cannot should hide in distant towns or villages where police supervision is less intrusive and a ruble goes a long way. Flight and concealment mean hardship, but hardship is surely preferable to a lonely death in the steppes of southern Ukraine.Russian women have a different task. They must mobilize and demonstrate in the manner of rebellious women in other countries. Russian pots can be as easily banged as Argentinean pans. Fascist police happily gun down men; for whatever reasons, they rarely turn their weapons on women. The demonstrations must be large and long-lasting; and they must take place in every city, town and village in Russia.If mass disobedience sweeps the country, the forces of coercion will be helpless and the Putin regime will not survive. His successor will be hard-pressed to pursue the same policies that brought Putin to an inglorious end. Peace might then be possible. So, too, might something resembling democracy. Most importantly, Russians will have shown Ukrainians, the world, and themselves that they are sentient human beings with souls and not killing machines.Alternatively, if Russians fail to opt for redemption, they will deserve all the opprobrium recently voiced by the popular singer, Alla Pugacheva: "My God! What happiness to be hated by the people whom I always could not stand. If they liked me, it would mean that I sang and lived in vain. The reason is clear. Let them grind their teeth. THEY WERE SERFS; BECAME SLAVES."Alexander J. Motyl is a professor of political science at Rutgers University-Newark. A specialist on Ukraine, Russia and the USSR, and on nationalism, revolutions, empires and theory, he is the author of 10 books of nonfiction, as well as "Imperial Ends: The Decay, Collapse, and Revival of Empires" and "Why Empires Reemerge: Imperial Collapse and Imperial Revival in Comparative Perspective."
Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 11, 2022, 04:35:44 AMYou're not only shamefully ignorant, you are also unAmerican. You idiots love to lecture everyone else about the US not being a democracy but a republic, because you have a bill of rights that guarantees that minorities don't get swamped by the majority blah blah blah. But then, when it comes down to it, you don't give a fuck about any of it. A total bugfuck state like Wyoming, that has about three people in it, is allowed two senators like everyone else, but you drop your knitting because 5% of people want to be treated like everyone else. Just admit you're a raging, self-hating queen, no one believes a word of your protestations, and K-Dubb's gaydar goes off so often when you're around that he's had to take it in for repair at least three times.
Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 11, 2022, 04:48:47 AMI know you were looking for creative ways to pad your resume, but I really don't think this was the best choice. You should have stuck with your 10m swimming badge.
Quote from: Jackstar on October 07, 2022, 02:36:46 PMArguable.This does not really narrow it down when it comes to you. You and your ilk.
Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 11, 2022, 04:39:04 AMActually, there's a good case to be made that WW2 started with the Mukden Incident and the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. That destabilised everything and set the ball rolling.
Quote from: Silphion on October 11, 2022, 01:41:50 PMWhy should we be listening to this weird foreign speaking pseudo-expert? And what horrible language is he gargling?https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1579759795225198593