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« Reply #3630 on: August 30, 2020, 08:26:41 PM »
The guest had an interesting tale. Forgery and such is interesting.  I think some people, despite Ian's claims, have proven that 'peer review' is not always all that it is cracked up to be. The book seems intriguing and I might give it a read. I like/laugh that it won "National Book Critics Award," that suspiciously sounds like the various and sundry beer festivals that give brews like PBR an award.

One of the callers mentioned Mark Hofmann, the forger who hoodwinked the LDS church back in the 1980s.  If you're into great true crime, I recommend "The Mormon Murders" by Gregory White Smith and Steven Naifeh.  If Hofmann hadn't gotten greedy, he could have pulled off the perfect crime. 

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« Reply #3631 on: August 30, 2020, 10:47:52 PM »
One of the callers mentioned Mark Hofmann, the forger who hoodwinked the LDS church back in the 1980s.  If you're into great true crime, I recommend "The Mormon Murders" by Gregory White Smith and Steven Naifeh.  If Hofmann hadn't gotten greedy, he could have pulled off the perfect crime.


Thanks. I'm not a true crime fan like Ian but I do recall those events and sounds interesting read. Caveat, I do like true crime but not the more salaciious but forgery, art thefts, and academic frauds. And new religions, cults, sects, intentional communities are also interesting. Ian should do show on Mormonism irself. Very interesting hisrory and crazy stuff. Dare I say he should also do more, Walt be damned, on the more religious stuff. He is very milquetoast and ecumenial but could still have good 'take' on various splits, schisms, and sects and history thereof. Could bring good, fanatic callers also.

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3632 on: August 31, 2020, 12:29:42 AM »
96 year old Paul Hellyer is keeping Ian quiet for longer than I ever remember.  It started with the Nazi base in Antarctica.

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3633 on: August 31, 2020, 12:47:55 AM »
Ian isn't into all these conspiracies...

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3634 on: August 31, 2020, 12:52:29 AM »
Ian isn't into all these conspiracies...

Not at all.  If the guest wasn't 97 (Ian upped it by one when he mentioned age the second time) and hadn't agreed at the last minute to come on, I'm sure Ian would have gotten rid of him.

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3635 on: August 31, 2020, 06:26:41 AM »

The man is incredibly lucid for 97 but gullible as they come and not because he's elderly, he's believed this shit for decades, there's not a conspiracy trope he isn't a true believer of.

Ian just let him ramble on. The best moment

Paul Hellyer: You're aware of the base on Mars?

Ian Punnett: *silence* .... um

Paul Hellyer: Well I talk to the man who was stationed there for 3 years.

Ian Punnett: *silence*

Ian went gentle on him but I give him credit for confronting Hellyer a few times, Ian asked him for names and other evidence a few times and Hellyer got defensive, giving 'i'm not going to do that' and 'it's in my book' type answers avoiding giving a real answer. Then Ian cleverly asked him 'Do you ever worry that people use your high ranking position to plant disinformation?'   Hellyer answered quickly 'Oh yes I know they do but over the past 15 years I've learned how to detect who is lying, I can tell with 98.9% accuracy.'  I could hear Ian's eyes rolling but the man is 97 so he finished the interview. All Hellyer's information according to him comes from top officials in the US government and military but he won't name names.

He was Minister of Defense of Canada for a short time I think ages and ages ago, the UFO and conspiracy theory con artists use him because it gives their bullshit credibility if they can connect themselves with a high ranking cabinet member of a G7 country. They imply that Hellyer holding that position would have had access to top secret information and that's why he believes little green men were captured at Roswell and Nazis had and still have a base in Antarctica and have infiltrated the US military etc  The truth is that Hellyer has never said he had learned of any of this shit from his time as defense minister. He's no different than your average UFO and conspiracy 'researcher' and enthusiast, he read some books and believed it all.

It does tell you what a lightweight country Canada is, to have a man this gullible in charge of your defense department is worthy of ridicule.


Ian Punnett
« Reply #3636 on: August 31, 2020, 06:33:53 AM »
Your belief that there is "no base" on Mars in spite of significant evidence is just as retarded as anyone's blind, unfounded belief that there is.

You can do better, Walt. Put a little mustard on it. Clean the cobwebs out of those pipes!

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3637 on: August 31, 2020, 07:36:37 AM »

...It does tell you what a lightweight country Canada is, to have a man this gullible in charge of your defense department is worthy of ridicule.
Heh, heh, heh.  Some of the beer and doughnuts aren’t bad, but “ey.”




Ian Punnett
« Reply #3638 on: August 31, 2020, 08:54:02 AM »
Ian isn't into all these conspiracies...

When's he gonna do a deep dive on--*consults pocket list of cults*--Jesuit assassins? Oh, right, he's not into that.

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3639 on: August 31, 2020, 10:36:18 AM »
The man is incredibly lucid for 97 but gullible as they come and not because he's elderly, he's believed this shit for decades, there's not a conspiracy trope he isn't a true believer of.

Ian just let him ramble on. The best moment

Paul Hellyer: You're aware of the base on Mars?

Ian Punnett: *silence* .... um

Paul Hellyer: Well I talk to the man who was stationed there for 3 years.

Ian Punnett: *silence*

Ian went gentle on him but I give him credit for confronting Hellyer a few times, Ian asked him for names and other evidence a few times and Hellyer got defensive, giving 'i'm not going to do that' and 'it's in my book' type answers avoiding giving a real answer. Then Ian cleverly asked him 'Do you ever worry that people use your high ranking position to plant disinformation?'   Hellyer answered quickly 'Oh yes I know they do but over the past 15 years I've learned how to detect who is lying, I can tell with 98.9% accuracy.'  I could hear Ian's eyes rolling but the man is 97 so he finished the interview. All Hellyer's information according to him comes from top officials in the US government and military but he won't name names.

He was Minister of Defense of Canada for a short time I think ages and ages ago, the UFO and conspiracy theory con artists use him because it gives their bullshit credibility if they can connect themselves with a high ranking cabinet member of a G7 country. They imply that Hellyer holding that position would have had access to top secret information and that's why he believes little green men were captured at Roswell and Nazis had and still have a base in Antarctica and have infiltrated the US military etc  The truth is that Hellyer has never said he had learned of any of this shit from his time as defense minister. He's no different than your average UFO and conspiracy 'researcher' and enthusiast, he read some books and believed it all.

It does tell you what a lightweight country Canada is, to have a man this gullible in charge of your defense department is worthy of ridicule.

"The truth is that Hellyer has never said he had learned of any of this shit from his time as defense minister."

To more precise, he has said he never learned any of the things he talks about during his tenure as a member of the Canadian government.  Just flipping those few words around makes a huge difference. The former means he may have learned it but hasn't admitted it, the latter admits he never learned it while in any of his government posts.

The first time I heard Hellyer, at least 20 years ago, he talked strictly about UFOs, and in particular Roswell. His claims were pretty much the same as others on the Roswell bandwagon. I noted he didn't appear to provide any more information/conjecture about Roswell than did the Berlitzs, Friedmans, and Schmidts of the UFO world.  I don't remember who was interviewing him, but he was asked how much of what he had said was from official information he'd seen as defense minister.  After he said none of it, when he was then asked his sources, he simply said Phillip Corso's book.  As I recall, he explained he'd read Corso's book based on the recommendation of his son-in-law.  From Corso's book, he apparently expanded his reading list to include the multitude of other Roswell books, and apparently believed everything he read.

He claimed last night to have talked to a member of the US military who'd served on Mars, but declined to name him.  I'm betting it was Randy Cramer or Corey Goode.

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3640 on: August 31, 2020, 08:33:50 PM »
"The truth is that Hellyer has never said he had learned of any of this shit from his time as defense minister."

To more precise, he has said he never learned any of the things he talks about during his tenure as a member of the Canadian government.  Just flipping those few words around makes a huge difference. The former means he may have learned it but hasn't admitted it, the latter admits he never learned it while in any of his government posts.

The first time I heard Hellyer, at least 20 years ago, he talked strictly about UFOs, and in particular Roswell. His claims were pretty much the same as others on the Roswell bandwagon. I noted he didn't appear to provide any more information/conjecture about Roswell than did the Berlitzs, Friedmans, and Schmidts of the UFO world.  I don't remember who was interviewing him, but he was asked how much of what he had said was from official information he'd seen as defense minister.  After he said none of it, when he was then asked his sources, he simply said Phillip Corso's book.  As I recall, he explained he'd read Corso's book based on the recommendation of his son-in-law.  From Corso's book, he apparently expanded his reading list to include the multitude of other Roswell books, and apparently believed everything he read.

He claimed last night to have talked to a member of the US military who'd served on Mars, but declined to name him.  I'm betting it was Randy Cramer or Corey Goode.
If not for his age one might almost suspect he was a trained counter intelligence operative throwing every conspiracy theories in the book so as to discredit the some of the ones that might be truth. Ian was funny because he was torn with respecting your elders to "whoa, wtf is this guy saying" because at some points Hellyer was getting very close to "Joose" as a part of a grand, unified conspiracy theory and international banking but the NAZI involvement claims allowed Ian some space so he didn't jump in. I liked Ian trying to rationalize, to no avail, about reforming banking and helping the poor doesn't mean it has to be UFO space NAZIs cabal. Ian was exasperated when Hellyer claimed that he could ferret out untruths told to him.

Wasn't Basiago also on Mars (along with Obama) though I guess they were military so wouldn't count as possible source for Hellyer.  ;)

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3641 on: September 01, 2020, 12:26:59 PM »
If not for his age one might almost suspect he was a trained counter intelligence operative throwing every conspiracy theories in the book so as to discredit the some of the ones that might be truth. Ian was funny because he was torn with respecting your elders to "whoa, wtf is this guy saying" because at some points Hellyer was getting very close to "Joose" as a part of a grand, unified conspiracy theory and international banking but the NAZI involvement claims allowed Ian some space so he didn't jump in. I liked Ian trying to rationalize, to no avail, about reforming banking and helping the poor doesn't mean it has to be UFO space NAZIs cabal. Ian was exasperated when Hellyer claimed that he could ferret out untruths told to him.

Wasn't Basiago also on Mars (along with Obama) though I guess they were military so wouldn't count as possible source for Hellyer.  ;)


A humorous post script to Ian's Hellyer interview.  Last night George was interviewing a guest about Coral Castle who was claiming the guy (Leedskalnin) who built it was a spy/International man of mystery.  Semi-regular caller and octogenarian Myet related to the guest in some detail what Hellyer had told Ian about the Nazis post WWII, then asked him if there was a connection between Hellyer's "documented" claims and Leedskalnin/Coral Castle.  Even George seemed taken aback.

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3642 on: September 01, 2020, 05:13:26 PM »

A humorous post script to Ian's Hellyer interview.  Last night George was interviewing a guest about Coral Castle who was claiming the guy (Leedskalnin) who built it was a spy/International man of mystery.  Semi-regular caller and octogenarian Myet related to the guest in some detail what Hellyer had told Ian about the Nazis post WWII, then asked him if there was a connection between Hellyer's "documented" claims and Leedskalnin/Coral Castle.  Even George seemed taken aback.
Myet, also pronounces it "EON" instead of Ian, like a few other callers do. She connected Coral Castle to espionage and "where we are right now" and the "proto-facism in our face." Guest had no way to respond. Norry guessed that Ed found the central banks for her.

Ian Punnett
« Reply #3643 on: Today at 03:25:28 AM »
Ian on Coast this weekend--bigfoot and secret Howard Hughes life...nice to see crazy subjects done with an intelligent, competent host for once.  A throwback to pre-George days.