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Started by MV/Liberace!, January 23, 2020, 11:29:38 PM

albrecht

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-rapid-infectious-disease-shifts-chinese.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/exclusive-controversial-us-scientist-creates-deadly-new-flu-strain-for-pandemic-research-9577088.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/world-faces-worst-flu-outbreak-decades-scientists-eye-universal-vaccine-180974005/

"Kanta Subbarao, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza, says there are three criteria for a strain of influenza to be considered pandemic: novelty, infectiousness and ability to cause disease."

"“The initial indicators indicate this[2017-2018]  is not going to be a good seasonâ€"this is going to be a bad season,” Fauci 

https://bigthink.com/ideafeed/deadly-super-virus-created-in-lab

These folks thought "hey let's combine MERS with Rabies!"

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-12-combine-mers-rabies-viruses-for-.html



WOTR

Quote from: Taaroa on April 03, 2020, 10:13:13 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCWillVernon/status/1246071755849879553

Cool. Christ rode a donkey- his representative here on earth gets a Mercedes.

#Catholicchurchforthewin

Asuka Langley

Quote from: WOTR on April 03, 2020, 03:06:50 AM
You and I both know that there is no such thing as "free" healthcare. Besides, you already have Obamacare...

Now onto the more important questions... I already have my 9mm and .45. But I have decided that I kind of want to pick up a .22 for the hell of it. 3 options right now.

1. Browning Buck mark22LR- $400
2. Ruger Mark III. Upgraded sights, trigger and magazine ejector - $500
3. Ruger single 6 with .22lr and .22mag chamber - $500.

I've never owned (or even shot) a revolver before and have kind of thought that one would be fun. the two cylinders seems like a nice option. On the other hand, I kind of like the Ruger, and the upgrades are a nice touch on a cheap gun. I doubt I will use it a ton- so the $400 Browning seems like a good price- and I think Browning probably made a pretty good piece... I promise not to use it to shoot the infected hoards and to stick to a shotgun for such duties...  ;)

I have never shot a semi auto .22 pistol that fed reliably. I bought a Ruger SR22 when it came out for a pinker because it was supposed to feed bulk ammo reliably but it didn't and it just ended up being a frustration. If you don't mind clearing jams constantly you might like a .22 semi-auto, if not get a revolver. I have a H&R .22 revolver and i never shoot it because it's just slow to reload, sights suck and it's gay. But i still like it better than any semi-auto .22 i have ever shot because i dont want to throw it at a tree.

pate

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on April 03, 2020, 07:22:47 AM
Of course!   Foolish of me.  The Paladin would have enjoyed that kind of Op immensely I bet.   



It could get super sexy if you have a Bin Laden style Special Forces SOCOM raid on the inland mask factory using all the high-speed military individuals & equipment.  SEALS, Marine recon, Air Force PJ's, Army rangers etc...  Aircraft carriers, in-flight refuelers, submarine/Chinook launched zodiac boats, SF Blackhawks/Kiowas...  Include some cruise missiles and drones, get some C-130s & AC-130s, A-10 Warthogs, kitchen sink...

...Poor Coast Guard, they aren't military anymore;  stuck in DHS.  Did they have any sexy SF characters?  Not that I am aware of, unless hand-in-glove assistance to DEA counts?  Ah well, maybe Ashton Kutcher can meet the returning heroes with the masks/loot at the docks and give them a kiss...  Could be a sequel screenplay for that Ashton Kutcher/Coast Guard vehicle from a few years back.

If Clancy isn't dead yet maybe he can help write the thing.  Fuck it, we'll do it live!

-p



WOTR

Quote from: pate on April 03, 2020, 07:04:25 AM
A .22 revolver?  That's no fun for a "plinker."   Get a semi-auto .22 pistol, much more fun.  Unless you enjoy reloading.

Are .22 rounds still outrageously expensive?  Last time I looked the price on a brick of those was pretty high for .22 rounds.

Used to be cheap...  thanks, Obama!

-p

Good point. I think I have made my decision. As for .22- they are around 9 cents per round CAD in a brick of 500 (magnums are closer to .30). I think that works out to less than a cent each USD.  ;)

Quote from: albrecht on April 03, 2020, 10:04:53 AM
I seem to recall there is a .22LR pistol with an integrated suppressor by Browning which always looked interesting. For close in wet work, as they say. It is alleged the mob or government/military 'operatives' like .22 at close distance. Because quiet, less ballistic traces, and less clean up  "mess." Use sub-sonic rounds for more quiet- but test cycling first.

"Functional" suppressors are not available up here... But I have noticed a few models with "fake" suppressors. Makes me think that they are likely easily modifiable. Who would buy a fake, useless suppressor?

Quote from: GravitySucks on April 03, 2020, 09:22:22 AM
I had been thinking of getting a more standard 22 pistol to use for practicing sight alignment and trigger control when teaching others but haven’t given it a lot of thought.

Good point on the standard gun for proper training.

I think I have finally decided on a GSG 1911 .22. Just over $400 CAD, made in Germany with a lifetime warranty, and it is brand new. Yes, for $50 I can buy a "fake" suppressor. I considered a conversion kit for my Kimber- but they seem to be hard to find in Canada...

Thanks for the input, all. When I'm captured during the annexation, I will inform homeland security of your willingness to aid the enemy.  8)

WOTR

Quote from: Asuka Langley on April 03, 2020, 10:43:59 AM
I have never shot a semi auto .22 pistol that fed reliably. I bought a Ruger SR22 when it came out for a pinker because it was supposed to feed bulk ammo reliably but it didn't and it just ended up being a frustration. If you don't mind clearing jams constantly you might like a .22 semi-auto, if not get a revolver. I have a H&R .22 revolver and i never shoot it because it's just slow to reload, sights suck and it's gay. But i still like it better than any semi-auto .22 i have ever shot because i dont want to throw it at a tree.

Damn it. You are late to the party. I had read that the Sig mosquito should almost never have even been put on the market due to this problem. I knew that you could expect the occasional misfeed (you are using ammo designed 125 years ago). But are they all that bad?

I suppose if you go to the competition and modified versions for a few thousand, you are good. Maybe you get what you pay for (who ever heard of a 1911 in .45 for $400?)

pate

Quote from: WOTR on April 03, 2020, 10:47:34 AM
Good point. I think I have made my decision. As for .22- they are around 9 cents per round CAD in a brick of 500 (magnums are closer to .30). I think that works out to less than a cent each USD.  ;)

"Functional" suppressors are not available up here... But I have noticed a few models with "fake" suppressors. Makes me think that they are likely easily modifiable. Who would buy a fake, useless suppressor?

Good point on the standard gun for proper training.

I think I have finally decided on a GSG 1911 .22. Just over $400 CAD, made in Germany with a lifetime warranty, and it is brand new. Yes, for $50 I can buy a "fake" suppressor. I considered a conversion kit for my Kimber- but they seem to be hard to find in Canada...

Thanks for the input, all. When I'm captured during the annexation, I will inform homeland security of your willingness to aid the enemy.  8)

I seem to recall some manufacturer making a semi-pistol that you could switch out the upper receiver between various calibers, if I am remembering correctly you could use anywhere from .22s on up to .45s.  Probably prone to those ejection-jams Gravity & Asuka mentioned in the .22 semis, that is true those small rounds like to get jammed when you are popping off rounds too fast...

Of course you had to get different magazines in addition to the different upper receivers, too.   I hope that is not a Mandelbrot Affect memory from some different thyme-lein (rhymes with Heinlein)...

-p


albrecht

Quote from: WOTR on April 03, 2020, 10:36:26 AM
Cool. Christ rode a donkey- his representative here on earth gets a Mercedes.

#Catholicchurchforthewin
The Russian Orthodox Church is not Catholic (big C,) Yet....I recall some talk in Relevation about healing the ancient Schism and there has been recent events with regard to creating the One World (false) Religion.... 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35565085

https://freedomproject.com/christ-culture/1011-pope-signs-pact-with-muslims-pushing-one-world-religion

In Russia even bear rides in circles around square.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqeYbmPgtk8



Asuka Langley

.22 rounds are to small to feed reliably in anything but they dont have as many jams in rifles. I know my 10/22 jams every time i take it out to shoot it but for whatever reason it's less frustrating to deal with. When .22 dried up i started plinking with 9mm and never went back to .22, it's funner, never jams and i can fit 33 rounds of it in a glock magazine. 9mm AR15's are fun to plink with and i have never had a jam and the bolt hold open works 100% of the time with my BCP dedicated glock lower https://blackcreekprecision.com/bcp-9mm-7075-t6-slim-cut-forged-lower-receiver-246.html

albrecht

Quote from: WOTR on April 03, 2020, 10:51:33 AM
Damn it. You are late to the party. I had read that the Sig mosquito should almost never have even been put on the market due to this problem. I knew that you could expect the occasional misfeed (you are using ammo designed 125 years ago). But are they all that bad?

I suppose if you go to the competition and modified versions for a few thousand, you are good. Maybe you get what you pay for (who ever heard of a 1911 in .45 for $400?)
The ammo is more $ and rare but contrary to movies in the 70's you can't really suppress a revolver effectively due to the design inherent in most revolvers. The common issued revolver Nagant N1985 that did because of unique design that 'seals' the cartridge before firing so no gap. So best of both worlds. Reliability and no casings to pickup and can be suppressed. But ammo more $ and harder to reload etc. You also can find them at surplus (though rarer these days) because so many were made and I don't know rules but I think considered "curio and relic" even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGoPE7VQ9GY





WOTR

Quote from: Asuka Langley on April 03, 2020, 11:17:41 AM
.22 rounds are to small to feed reliably in anything but they dont have as many jams in rifles. I know my 10/22 jams every time i take it out to shoot it but for whatever reason it's less frustrating to deal with. When .22 dried up i started plinking with 9mm and never went back to .22, it's funner, never jams and i can fit 33 rounds of it in a glock magazine. 9mm AR15's are fun to plink with and i have never had a jam and the bolt hold open works 100% of the time with my BCP dedicated glock lower https://blackcreekprecision.com/bcp-9mm-7075-t6-slim-cut-forged-lower-receiver-246.html

Argh. 10 cents a round for .22... 30 cents for 9mm. Probably much more fun with the 9mm, I already own two (I only shoot one). Maybe I need to ask myself why I think that I need a .22 (aside from the fact that everybody in the world owns / owned one.) I thought just something to play around with. But given how often I have made it to the range in the last couple of years (not often), maybe I ought to just stick to what I already have...

As for 33 rounds in one magazine... Not in Canada.  ;)

I was ready to "pull the trigger" and add one to the collection today. But now I think I'll hold off awhile longer.

So damned indecisive.   >:(

K_Dubb

Civic unrest is growing.



whoozit

Quote from: K_Dubb on April 03, 2020, 11:40:34 AM
Civic unrest is growing.



Who could have possibly thought the peasants would defy their overlords?  Something must be done with the rabble.

Quote from: K_Dubb on April 03, 2020, 11:40:34 AM
Civic unrest is growing.




Well what would they think would happen with a "barrier" like that.  The Chinese already solved that problem.  Is it due to some sort of "Not invented here" warped mentality?
Great questions of the day are not answered with striped boards but rather with blood and iron.


Asuka Langley

Quote from: WOTR on April 03, 2020, 11:31:51 AM
Argh. 10 cents a round for .22... 30 cents for 9mm. Probably much more fun with the 9mm, I already own two (I only shoot one). Maybe I need to ask myself why I think that I need a .22 (aside from the fact that everybody in the world owns / owned one.) I thought just something to play around with. But given how often I have made it to the range in the last couple of years (not often), maybe I ought to just stick to what I already have...

As for 33 rounds in one magazine... Not in Canada.  ;)

I was ready to "pull the trigger" and add one to the collection today. But now I think I'll hold off awhile longer.

So damned indecisive.   >:(

I buy in bulk and get it for around 15 cents a round https://gun.deals/category/ammo?caliber=1

paladin1991

Quote from: albrecht on April 03, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
The Russian Orthodox Church is not Catholic (big C,) Yet....I recall some talk in Relevation about healing the ancient Schism and there has been recent events with regard to creating the One World (false) Religion.... 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35565085

https://freedomproject.com/christ-culture/1011-pope-signs-pact-with-muslims-pushing-one-world-religion

In Russia even bear rides in circles around square.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqeYbmPgtk8
Well, I'm still praying for the conversion of Russia.  And the Jews.  And DPS.

paladin1991

Quote from: albrecht on April 03, 2020, 11:21:39 AM
The ammo is more $ and rare but contrary to movies in the 70's you can't really suppress a revolver effectively due to the design inherent in most revolvers. The common issued revolver Nagant N1985 that did because of unique design that 'seals' the cartridge before firing so no gap. So best of both worlds. Reliability and no casings to pickup and can be suppressed. But ammo more $ and harder to reload etc. You also can find them at surplus (though rarer these days) because so many were made and I don't know rules but I think considered "curio and relic" even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGoPE7VQ9GY
I assume you mean at the forcing cone?

GravitySucks

Quote from: albrecht on April 03, 2020, 11:21:39 AM
The ammo is more $ and rare but contrary to movies in the 70's you can't really suppress a revolver effectively due to the design inherent in most revolvers. The common issued revolver Nagant N1985 that did because of unique design that 'seals' the cartridge before firing so no gap. So best of both worlds. Reliability and no casings to pickup and can be suppressed. But ammo more $ and harder to reload etc. You also can find them at surplus (though rarer these days) because so many were made and I don't know rules but I think considered "curio and relic" even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGoPE7VQ9GY

I still have about 750 rounds and two or three MN rifles. I have one that was sporterized. The other(s) are original.  I’ve never seen a revolver. That cartridge is just plain ugly.


K_Dubb

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on April 03, 2020, 11:50:27 AM
Well what would they think would happen with a "barrier" like that.  The Chinese already solved that problem.  Is it due to some sort of "Not invented here" warped mentality?
Great questions of the day are not answered with striped boards but rather with blood and iron.



Hehehehe the butt end of that halberd will pierce your engine block.

Dr. MD MD

What kind of gun did The Rifleman have?

I’ve always though it was cool. 8)


aldousburbank

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 03, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
What kind of gun did The Rifleman have?

I’ve always though it was cool. 8)



Dude
Winchester Model 94 30/30
Get with the program.

For those listening to Jones right now.  Here is the video being discussed.  Like one guy out on the ocean alone with the heat after his non-isolating ass.  Crazy times.

https://twitter.com/AndyRuther/status/1245899199914414081

pate

Winchester 1870-80s lever action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQkGBH-rkFQ

Great Jimmy Stewart movie  "Winchester '73"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFDoXUhpNPg

Had some rather large calibers to those, if I recall correctly...

-p



Kidnostad3

Quote from: Catsmile on April 02, 2020, 11:29:30 PM
I see capitalism in action, like every day. Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing will sell products to anyone who wants to purchase their products. Nationality doesn't matter, only green matters, like any company in the free market. What does a national emergency have to do with free trade during a pandemic in this case?

You've only shown a narrative of a company selling a product to a private buyer that you don't approve of, at an undisclosed price that you also don't like.

Therefore you've decreed it as profiteering, without any other proof. The burden of proof is on you. What is it that you don't understand about your belief not being proof of anything, much less profiteering?

Where is the line drawn between what the market will bear, verses profiteering? Where is your proof? How you feel at any given moment, is not a valid answer under capitalism, sorry.

Capitalism and the free market doesn't care how anyone feels. Companies only care about increased quarterly profits for its shareholders. Capitalist who don't seem to know how capitalism works. I won't wait.

Okay, let’s try this again.

A.  All that you say is true under normal circumstances and I have no problem with that.  I’ve been to B school and spent 20 years in the private sector post Navy and I really do understand Keynesian economics, you know, the supply and demand curve and all that. 

B.  Trump declared a national emergency on March 17.   Laws against profiteering, hoarding, etc. have been in effect since that date.  Trump has now reluctantly invoked the Defense Production Security Act mainly because of 3-Ms behavior.  He was rightfully reluctant because while it strengthens the federal government’s hand in enforcing necessary measures to secure and manage the supply of essential/strategic commodities during a national emergency it has obvious drawbacks via-a-vis laissez-faire economics.  It should not remain in force a second longer than the emergency demands.

C.  Once again, it stopped being okay for business as usual when the national emergency was declared and it has nothing to do with who the material is being sold to.


I've never paid attention any of this Q business before.  These people appear to be bat shit crazy.  What have I been missing out on?

https://twitter.com/TheCollectiveQ/status/1246131930371948549


pate

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on April 03, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
I've never paid attention any of this Q business before.  These people appear to be bat shit crazy.  What have I been missing out on?

https://twitter.com/TheCollectiveQ/status/1246131930371948549

Which people, the "Q people" or the people that the "Q people" are talking about, re: bat-shit?

I say both.

-p

Quote from: pate on April 03, 2020, 01:25:51 PM
Which people, the "Q people" or the people that the "Q people" are talking about, re: bat-shit?

I say both.

-p

I dunno. I am still new Sir.  Whomever it is that thinks they are treating alien hybrids on the Hospital ships and are so proud of the fact they are releases photos of said beings.

pate

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on April 03, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
...


WTF am I looking at/for there?  Possible "hobo elite" detected or something?

-p

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