Started by GravitySucks, January 26, 2018, 11:49:16 PM
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Quote from: GravitySucks on January 31, 2018, 08:16:06 PMHe tried to tell us, but noone listened...Nathaniel Grigsby - Died 1890, Attica, Kansas
Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 01, 2018, 06:03:03 AMPud actually wants to give credit to Obama for record unemployment and great tax cuts among other things. What a bunch of hogwash. He knows as well as we do that the economy didn't kick into high gear until Trump took over.
QuoteTax billInflation-adjusted dollarsAmerican Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 (enacted in 2013)$321 billionTax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010$210 billionEconomic Recovery Tax Act of 1981$208 billionCurrent tax proposal$150 billion - $220 billionRevenue Act of 1964$64 billionRevenue Act of 1945$60 billionRevenue Act of 1978$55 billionRevenue Act of 1948$38 billionAnd here are the tax laws ordered from highest to lowest as a percentage of GDP: Tax billPercentage of GDPEconomic Recovery Tax Act of 19812.89 percentRevenue Act of 19452.67 percentRevenue Act of 19481.87 percentAmerican Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 (enacted in 2013)1.78 percentRevenue Act of 19641.6 percentTax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 20101.31 percentCurrent tax proposal0.8 percent-1.2 percentRevenue Act of 19780.8 percent
Quote from: albrecht on February 01, 2018, 10:55:02 AMOf course that is true but aside from a pension, which presumably would be invested mainly in blue-chip companies the left hates, why would you presume YP wants the American economy to grow or even be stable/strong? Yes, he fled here but not for some kind of reason of liking America, wishing it well, wanting to contribute as an immigrant, or as an opportunity to make money etc but, as he mentions all the time, personal reasons (marriage and a pension.) I'm sure a lot of visitors, or even foreign investors, don't mind a weak economy, because their currency will buy more- just like when we travel or retire abroad- you want a strong dollar and weak local currency.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on February 01, 2018, 11:05:47 AMWhy is your trait to completely throw in stuff that is either a non sequitur or just a lie? I want the economy to thrive, but I (and you should) care that someone (in this case Trump) just blatantly lies about his achievements. He hasn't brought in the highest tax cuts ever. (in reality the GOP brought in the bill, he just signed it off without knowing what was in it, otherwise he wouldn't have said he'd be worse off-he obviously isn't. Draining the swamp and all that nonsense).Why does he lie so much and his cult lap it up as fact?
Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 01, 2018, 11:13:29 AMI do agree with you that his tax cuts are are not the highest or greatest ever. Reagan owns that achievement.
Quote from: Gd5150 on February 01, 2018, 11:30:26 AMMakes you wonder why the left went ape shit crazy over this minuscule tax cut. Sounds like we need another one.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on February 01, 2018, 11:48:25 AMHe lied about that.
Quote from: albrecht on February 01, 2018, 10:55:02 AM...Yes, he fled here but .... as he mentions all the time, personal reasons (marriage and a pension.)
Quote from: ItsOver on February 01, 2018, 11:33:55 AMAnd this guy was responsible for Obama's eight years of failure.
Quote from: Jackstar on February 01, 2018, 11:50:38 AMThat's really just your opinion.
Quote from: ItsOver on February 01, 2018, 11:51:00 AMTrue. We should recognise Pud as a gold digging, mail order bride.
Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 01, 2018, 11:13:29 AMI do agree with you that his tax cuts are the highest or greatest ever. Reagan owns that achievement.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on February 01, 2018, 11:48:25 AMNope...The 'ape shit' was because it will mainly benefit the very rich (Like Trump) who Trump said would be worse off. He lied about that. I wonder why?
Quote"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors." Bill Clinton - 1998
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on February 01, 2018, 12:25:26 PMIt doesn't matter that you agree with me. The figures speak for themselves. But it didn't stop Trump suggesting otherwise. The problem is that some believe him.
Quote from: pyewacket on February 01, 2018, 01:01:49 PMFor the sake of continuing this conversation, (yes, I hear that collective Bellgab sigh of "no, please don't") but I, my good man, am curious. If I were to agree with you, on all your points, what have you accomplished? Would you feel better physically? Would this improve your emotional/mental state? Would it make you more money and/or put more food on your table? Would this put a smile on your face and make the world seem to be a better place? What changes for you, personally? Please, don't take my word on this matter. Climb the mountain and listen to the Oracle of Chappaqua.
Quote from: pyewacket on February 01, 2018, 01:13:21 PMSo what you're saying is- this is what keeps you up at night?
Quote from: Gd5150 on February 01, 2018, 01:07:12 PMStatistics are a neat thing, you can cherry pick 1 and run with it. This is nothing new. The Trump corporate tax cut is the biggest in history,
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on February 01, 2018, 01:13:58 PMI'll turn that on its head. If Trump instead of lying everyday about a range of topics that in his head make him look far better than he is, and today had an epiphany and vowed to not only be truthful (even where telling the truth is better for him than lying) but not demand loyalty to him from everyone, would you and the rest of the cult realise that until that point you'd been duped? As for me, I frankly couldn't give a shit that Trump lies if it makes him feel good and the cult lap it up...What I do care about is how it undermines the security of the world, the standing of everyone in the USA to the rest of the word (and it might not matter to you, but the minority of the electorate who voted for Trump do not represent the USA), and the future of both.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on February 01, 2018, 01:16:20 PMDidn't keep me up sweedie. I was just pointing out that it's vital to Trump that he wants everyone to believe him, even when the stuff he says is provable. I'm sure that you'd say jack shit if it wasn't Trump saying it. Naaa, I don't.