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Started by Taaroa, June 04, 2017, 09:15:23 AM



Uncle Duke

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 26, 2021, 07:25:30 AM
F6F and the F4U vs Fw 190 and the Me 109.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2aqeALGWL8

I'm looking forward to watching this.  I know of at least one combat between RN Hellcats and FW-190s.  Eric "Winkle" Brown, the legendary RN test pilot who flew almost 500 different aircraft in his career, wrote a book about combat match ups between various aircraft based on him having flown them.  I remember him writing the FW was superior to the Corsair across the board, and only an incompetent FW pilot would get shot down in a one-on-one combat.

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 26, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
I'm looking forward to watching this.  I know of at least one combat between RN Hellcats and FW-190s.  Eric "Winkle" Brown, the legendary RN test pilot who flew almost 500 different aircraft in his career, wrote a book about combat match ups between various aircraft based on him having flown them.  I remember him writing the FW was superior to the Corsair across the board, and only an incompetent FW pilot would get shot down in a one-on-one combat.

Hopefully you get a kick out of it. Watch out for the F2A Buffalo cameo where the NACA gets it into a 550 MPH dive.

Hog

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 26, 2021, 12:28:44 PM
Hopefully you get a kick out of it. Watch out for the F2A Buffalo cameo where the NACA gets it into a 550 MPH dive.
NACA

peace
Hog

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 26, 2021, 12:28:44 PM
Hopefully you get a kick out of it. Watch out for the F2A Buffalo cameo where the NACA gets it into a 550 MPH dive.

That was like taking "Aircraft Performance" class all over again.  Guy was really hung on speed.

I was a co-op engineering student at Vought (Grand Prairie, TX) in the mid 70s.  I met a couple old guys on the production line who built Corsairs (F4Us and AU-1s) both in Connecticut and Grand Prairie. 

I read a book about the RAF using Buffalos in defense of Singapore/Malaya.  One of pilots commented the only thing the Buffalo could do better than the Zero was dive, but they were forbidden to use diving attacks similar to how the AVG fought Zeros.  The Buffalo pilots were told any RAF pilot seen diving from a fight would shot for cowardice.

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 26, 2021, 08:45:51 PM
That was like taking "Aircraft Performance" class all over again.  Guy was really hung on speed.

I was a co-op engineering student at Vought (Grand Prairie, TX) in the mid 70s.  I met a couple old guys on the production line who built Corsairs (F4Us and AU-1s) both in Connecticut and Grand Prairie. 

I read a book about the RAF using Buffalos in defense of Singapore/Malaya.  One of pilots commented the only thing the Buffalo could do better than the Zero was dive, but they were forbidden to use diving attacks similar to how the AVG fought Zeros.  The Buffalo pilots were told any RAF pilot seen diving from a fight would shot for cowardice.

Neat on the Vought thing. Were they working on the naval F-16 variant? The Buffy dive policy just sounds so British.  ;)


Uncle Duke

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 26, 2021, 09:05:51 PM
Neat on the Vought thing. Were they working on the naval F-16 variant? The Buffy dive policy just sounds so British.  ;)

No, when I was there they were still building A-7s.  They also were doing subcontract work for various other companies, including 747 work for Boeing.  The most interesting thing I worked on was supporting the F-8 Crusader sustainment group.  The USN was phasing out the fighter version, but the photo recon variant was still in use.  The French Navy was still flying the Crusader, and while I was there they sold a batch of refurbished F-8s out of the boneyard to the Philippines.

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 26, 2021, 09:33:35 PM
No, when I was there they were still building A-7s.  They also were doing subcontract work for various other companies, including 747 work for Boeing.  The most interesting thing I worked on was supporting the F-8 Crusader sustainment group.  The USN was phasing out the fighter version, but the photo recon variant was still in use.  The French Navy was still flying the Crusader, and while I was there they sold a batch of refurbished F-8s out of the boneyard to the Philippines.

Ah. Interesting stuff. If I could do things over again, I might have headed in that direction. Certainly wouldn't be doing the shit I am doing now.

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 26, 2021, 09:44:46 PM
Ah. Interesting stuff. If I could do things over again, I might have headed in that direction. Certainly wouldn't be doing the shit I am doing now.

If you'd like to read a more practical analysis of how various aircraft would have fared against one another by someone who flew them for real (as opposed to on an interactive computer game), I recommend Eric Brown's book "Duels in the Sky."  I'm sure your local public library could get you a copy through inter-library loan.

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 26, 2021, 09:57:07 PM
If you'd like to read a more practical analysis of how various aircraft would have fared against one another by someone who flew them for real (as opposed to on an interactive computer game), I recommend Eric Brown's book "Duels in the Sky."  I'm sure your local public library could get you a copy through inter-library loan.

Thanks. I use that IIL quite a bit. Last book I got through it was this one:




Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 26, 2021, 10:09:17 PM
Thanks. I use that IIL quite a bit. Last book I got through it was this one:



Guys, come on! Real books?! Other people touch them. They’re a breeding ground for bacteria and viruses. Shouldn’t they be illegal by now? You both sicken me.  ::)

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 26, 2021, 10:13:09 PM
Guys, come on! Real books?! Other people touch them. They’re a breeding ground for bacteria and viruses. Shouldn’t they be illegal by now? You both sicken me.  ::)

A concern but the pool of people willing to read about German Dornier flying boats flown by Dutchmen in Indonesia is rather small.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 26, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
A concern but the pool of people willing to read about German Dornier flying boats flown by Dutchmen in Indonesia is rather small.

Fine, be a naive dupe when you know darn well the ILL is just part of the globalist depopulation program. ::) ::)

Taaroa

Quote from: Ciardelo on January 26, 2021, 08:02:05 AM
Wait. The Taliban has an air force? :o

They did when they ruled Afghanistan. I don't think it was very well equipped or maintained, but they did at least manage to force a Russian freighter to land in Kandahar in '96:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airstan_incident

I think the Taliban's opponents also had limited airpower too - I might've posted an article about it earlier in the thread.

https://youtu.be/uUvtMSj3908

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 26, 2021, 10:09:17 PM
Thanks. I use that IIL quite a bit. Last book I got through it was this one:



I have that book. The NEI air forces have always fascinated me.

Ciardelo

Quote from: Taaroa on January 27, 2021, 01:38:52 AM
They did when they ruled Afghanistan. I don't think it was very well equipped or maintained, but they did at least manage to force a Russian freighter to land in Kandahar in '96:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airstan_incident

I think the Taliban's opponents also had limited airpower too - I might've posted an article about it earlier in the thread.

https://youtu.be/uUvtMSj3908

Thanks. I had no idea. :)

albrecht

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 26, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
A concern but the pool of people willing to read about German Dornier flying boats flown by Dutchmen in Indonesia is rather small.
Worse read about the people left behind!

https://www.amazon.com/Lost-White-Tribes-Privilege-Guadeloupe/dp/0743211979

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Burghers 

Or those who left (figuring out before even the dotcom types about American future....)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados



Interesting one here. Combat at 45,000+ feet between a Russian prince descended from Catherine the Great and some zooped up German bomber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WDkj0ZYuiA


Uncle Duke

Quote from: Taaroa on February 04, 2021, 12:32:18 AM
https://twitter.com/OMakkura/status/1355889527189983233

The B-47 was a beautiful aircraft, I remember seeing them as a kid.  The USN used a B-47 as a test bed aircraft and flew it another ten years after the USAF retired all theirs. The toss bombing technique shown in the video was called LABS (Low Altitude Bombing System).

Taaroa

Built by the British in 1942, sold to the Netherlands in 1948, sold to Argentina in 1969, finally decommisioned in 1997:

https://twitter.com/klaasm67/status/1357241207362121728

Quote from: Uncle Duke on February 04, 2021, 07:05:05 AM
The toss bombing technique shown in the video was called LABS (Low Altitude Bombing System).

I guess toss bombing isn't necessary anymore, but you've got to wonder if anyone could still do it.

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Taaroa on February 05, 2021, 07:34:14 AM
Built by the British in 1942, sold to the Netherlands in 1948, sold to Argentina in 1969, finally decommisioned in 1997:

https://twitter.com/klaasm67/status/1357241207362121728


The Sea Hawk is another very pretty airplane, in person it comes across as relatively small and eloquent.  They flew combat for both the Brits and the Indians with good success.  The RN's FAA Museum has, or at least had, an airworthy Sea Hawk, but I haven't seen it mentioned as having been flown for several years.

Taaroa

Quote from: Uncle Duke on February 05, 2021, 09:38:48 AM
The RN's FAA Museum has, or at least had, an airworthy Sea Hawk, but I haven't seen it mentioned as having been flown for several years.

I guess not:
QuoteOne Sea Hawk, WV908, remained airworthy as part of the Royal Navy Historic Flight until 2010. It is now in storage at AMSU, RAF Shawbury.

[...]

WV908 (Sea Hawk FGA 6) was airworthy with the Royal Navy Historic Flight, Yeovilton, England until 2010
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Hawk#Surviving_aircraft


Uncle Duke

https://share.smartnews.com/NB4h

A former colleague was a B-52 pilot at Barksdale when a couple Bears made a goodwill visit.  He was one of the USAF aircrew who got to take a flight in one of them, he said he could still feel the vibrations hours after landing.


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Taaroa on February 09, 2021, 03:13:53 AM
https://twitter.com/JacdecNew/status/1358702055402205185

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqODB7Vh2qQ

Huh. Those two idiots said last Superbowl that Biden wouldn’t waste money on a flyover like president Trump did. I guess they were just lying douchebags. ???

Hog

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 09, 2021, 02:53:37 PM
Huh. Those two idiots said last Superbowl that Biden wouldn’t waste money on a flyover like president Trump did. I guess they were just lying douchebags. ???
Never seen that before.

3 subsonic(at that altitude) heavy bombers.

This video is about an engineer who was forced to eject from 1 of the the supersonic capable B-1A prototypes during a test hop.  CG too far aft for wing sweep and about 1/2 way through the video (40:00) there's a CG image of the incident. Nose up 70º+ rocks port and starboard as she falls like a leaf.  Ejection commanded and the minivan sized escape capsule deploys, but a riser fails to shear and the capsule hits hard on the front right nose hard enough to snap the seat adjuster rod(supposedly rated for 40g). The front right and back seater(only B-1 Flight Test Engineer Otto Waniczek-the man in the video) was in 1 of 2 back seats).
Only prototypes 1 through 3 had the escape capsule. Proto-4 had 4 single person more conventional ejection seats, as did the 100 production B-1B variants.

B-1 Ejection test of the B-1 Lancer's Crew Module
http://youtu.be/pXGmpq_vVOg

Uncle Duke(or anyone else), do you have any realworld memories of that B-1A ejection?

peace
Hog

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Hog on February 10, 2021, 06:49:37 PM
Never seen that before.

3 subsonic(at that altitude) heavy bombers.

This video is about an engineer who was forced to eject from 1 of the the supersonic capable B-1A prototypes during a test hop.  CG too far aft for wing sweep and about 1/2 way through the video (40:00) there's a CG image of the incident. Nose up 70º+ rocks port and starboard as she falls like a leaf.  Ejection commanded and the minivan sized escape capsule deploys, but a riser fails to shear and the capsule hits hard on the front right nose hard enough to snap the seat adjuster rod(supposedly rated for 40g). The front right and back seater(only B-1 Flight Test Engineer Otto Waniczek-the man in the video) was in 1 of 2 back seats).
Only prototypes 1 through 3 had the escape capsule. Proto-4 had 4 single person more conventional ejection seats, as did the 100 production B-1B variants.

B-1 Ejection test of the B-1 Lancer's Crew Module
http://youtu.be/pXGmpq_vVOg

Uncle Duke(or anyone else), do you have any realworld memories of that B-1A ejection?

peace
Hog

I forget the names but a couple players were caught in a hot mic moment expressing that sentiment.

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Hog on February 10, 2021, 06:49:37 PM
Never seen that before.

3 subsonic(at that altitude) heavy bombers.

This video is about an engineer who was forced to eject from 1 of the the supersonic capable B-1A prototypes during a test hop.  CG too far aft for wing sweep and about 1/2 way through the video (40:00) there's a CG image of the incident. Nose up 70º+ rocks port and starboard as she falls like a leaf.  Ejection commanded and the minivan sized escape capsule deploys, but a riser fails to shear and the capsule hits hard on the front right nose hard enough to snap the seat adjuster rod(supposedly rated for 40g). The front right and back seater(only B-1 Flight Test Engineer Otto Waniczek-the man in the video) was in 1 of 2 back seats).
Only prototypes 1 through 3 had the escape capsule. Proto-4 had 4 single person more conventional ejection seats, as did the 100 production B-1B variants.

B-1 Ejection test of the B-1 Lancer's Crew Module
http://youtu.be/pXGmpq_vVOg

Uncle Duke(or anyone else), do you have any realworld memories of that B-1A ejection?

peace
Hog

Yes.  I didn't work the investigation, but a colleague did.  I also read the mishap report. The failure of what was essentially an explosive bolt did not allow the module to reposition prior to impact.  Instead of landing on the impact attenuation bags, it landed nose down.  Doug Benefield died when his seat tore loose on impact and he went into the instrument panel.

I knew Waniczek, he worked for Northrop when I was assigned to the Special Projects Office.  I worked for Dick Reynolds when he was a three star at WPAFB.  He was a class act. He held a commander's call a few days after 9/11 that was the most inspiring thing I've ever heard.  Good guy, easy to talk to, cared about his people.

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