Billy Meier - Michael Horn

[Yorkshire pud]

I love this, a pretend person asking about family...straight out of a Spielberg movie. How touching.

You and Spielberg should get together; only he makes better (and more believable) films than Meier. His props department make better ray guns and when he lifts old Dean Martin TV shows, it will be mentioned in the credits.

I only asked about the rest of your family in the context of wondering if they had similar mental illnesses to you but you ate them first.

[PB the Deplorable]

I love this, a pretend person asking about family...straight out of a Spielberg movie. How touching.

If you write a book, Falkie will buy it and do a video review

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I love this, a pretend person asking about family...straight out of a Spielberg movie. How touching.

Everyone who has seen the infamous "Pud Pics" series knows that Yorkie is a person who likes to pretend in ways that never occur to most people.  Tell us something we don't know. On second thought, please don't.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

RGG,

I actually am but it's not good to be too positive or too negative. So when things are going along nicely, I sometimes take a moment to come here and experience just a tad of negativity, kinda like the grain of sand in the oyster shell thing. It also keeps me from more risky ventures like commandeering cruise ships, attempting to crash the stock market, etc.

We know that, and it's why we oblige you by really giving you the business whenever you pop in. We kid because we like you. If we didn't we'd just ignore you.  It's the Bellgab way. 

[Yorkshire pud]

Everyone who has seen the infamous "Pud Pics" series knows that Yorkie is a person who likes to pretend in ways that never occur to most people.  Tell us something we don't know. On second thought, please don't.

Ahhh; Milan was so magical. The piazza looked okay after it was power washed. No-one noticed.

[MichaelHorn]

http://theyflyblog.com/2016/08/26/christian-cult-leader-caught-in-lies-fraud/

[Yorkshire pud]

http://theyflyblog.com/2016/08/26/Bin-lid-spaceships-and-foil-wrapped-ray-guns-and plagarised-books-and-TV-shows-and-other-bollox-cult-leader-caught-in-lies-fraud/

FIFY

[pate]

http://theyflyblog.com/2016/08/26/Bin-lid-spaceships-and-foil-wrapped-ray-guns-and-plagarised-books-and-TV-shows-and-other-bollox-cult-leader-caught-in-lies-fraud/

FIFY

FIFY

I seem to be caught in some sort of analmolly,,,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB_d_OEQrt4

Love me some MH, rock on!

[MH is a Liar]

http://theyflyblog.com/2016/08/26/Bin-lid-spaceships-and-foil-wrapped-ray-guns-and plagarised-books-and-TV-shows-and-other-bollox-cult-leader-caught-in-lies-fraud/

FIFY

Ha.  Yes, the irony is overwhelming.

The stranger part is, he doesn't tell us the lies and fraud this man was supposedly caught in.

Michael, what are you talking about?  What lies and fraud did you catch this man in?  I don't understand, please explain.   Seems you have left out the entire part that backs up the title of the article...

[MichaelHorn]

Ah yes, they've now removed all but one remaining false claim, which should be on its way out shortly. Too bad you didn't check when my blog first came out.

[Yorkshire pud]

Ah yes, they've now removed all but one remaining false claim, which should be on its way out shortly. Too bad you didn't check when my blog first came out.

Oh you cheeky little penis head Mikey; Don't you find yourself blushing over the fact you've been found out over and over again about your own and your messiah's lies. but you never acknowledge you're both fantasists (although you're both going into deception territory); yet you're razor sharp in posting a link that you think will (I presume) discredit Christianity, but now you can't say what that might be. I'm an atheist so have no axe to grind as far as religion is concerned.

[MichaelHorn]

P.S. This is why liars and defamers, like you, are impotent and when called to account can’t substantiate their lies.

You relied also on idiotic, pseudo-research from Mahesh, when doing your own - had you been capable of it - would have shown that Meier’s always been truthful.

Meier has never also had to “correct” his information, while places like NASA have…in the process of which they bring their own estimates ever closer to the very specific, and never speculative, information in the Meier case (http://theyflyblog.com/2013/01/14/nasa-corrects-apophis-information-size-is-almost-exactly-what-billy-meier-foretold/).

Another excellent example is the recently revealed forensic information in the Iceman Mummy case (http://theyflyblog.com/2016/07/17/otzi-gives-skeptics-ulcers-and-fits/) that…ices Meier’s original â€" and much attacked â€" specific information from 25 years ago, which Mahesh has been so tongue-tied about he still hasn't uttered another of his false words...despite staying up late trying desperately to figure out how to continue to falsely accuse Meier. Funny how the truth wins out.

And of course there’s the Jupiter information that the skeptics generously dedicated days to trying to debunk…only to corroborate it (http://www.theyfly.com/Confirming-Meier.htm)...along with about 200 other specific examples, including that which is in the 1951 and 1958 letter, which you were also too incompetent to figure out, to determine that they were authentic...which many other people have been able to do on their own.

Of course they weren't anonymous cowards but real, objective and curious people who wanted to learn instead of dig themselves into an ever-deepening hole of there own delusions, nastiness, envy, stupidity, etc.

Have a nice day and get a life.

[Yorkshire pud]

P.S. This is why liars and defamers, like you, are impotent and when called to account can’t substantiate their lies.

You relied also on idiotic, pseudo-research from Mahesh, when doing your own - had you been capable of it - would have shown that Meier’s always been truthful.

Meier has never also had to “correct” his information, while places like NASA have…in the process of which they bring their own estimates ever closer to the very specific, and never speculative, information in the Meier case (http://theyflyblog.com/2013/01/14/nasa-corrects-apophis-information-size-is-almost-exactly-what-billy-meier-foretold/).

Another excellent example is the recently revealed forensic information in the Iceman Mummy case (http://theyflyblog.com/2016/07/17/otzi-gives-skeptics-ulcers-and-fits/) that…ices Meier’s original â€" and much attacked â€" specific information from 25 years ago, which Mahesh has been so tongue-tied about he still hasn't uttered another of his false words...despite staying up late trying desperately to figure out how to continue to falsely accuse Meier. Funny how the truth wins out.

And of course there’s the Jupiter information that the skeptics generously dedicated days to trying to debunk…only to corroborate it (http://www.theyfly.com/Confirming-Meier.htm)...along with about 200 other specific examples, including that which is in the 1951 and 1958 letter, which you were also too incompetent to figure out, to determine that they were authentic...which many other people have been able to do on their own.

Of course they weren't anonymous cowards but real, objective and curious people who wanted to learn instead of dig themselves into an ever-deepening hole of there own delusions, nastiness, envy, stupidity, etc.

Have a nice day and get a life.

Yes yes Mickey, but what about the rayguns covered in cooking foil and the bin lids spray painted gold with plastic balls glued on; or what about the 'video' using models suspended by fishing line? Or TV shows with backing singer 'aliens'...Or illustrations lifted from books about dinosaurs?

[MichaelHorn]

Aren’t you embarrassed to be this wrong? Being anonymous can only shield you from others knowing how inept you are…you have to live with the inescapable facts.

As pointed out - reeartedly - certainly enough for the average 10-year-old to grasp:

WCUFO analysis:
http://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf

Pendulum UFO analysis:
http://www.rhalzahi.com/docs/pendulum-EN.pdf

Energy Ships analysis (free bonus!):
http://www.theyfly.com/sites/default/files/ESinvestig3NovV2.pdf

Laser pistol: http://www.theyfly.com/news2005/may06/may06.htm#laser and http://www.theyfly.com/Special-Evidence-Research.htm

The Asket & Nera photos: http://www.theyfly.com/Asket_&_Nera.htm

And yes, even a 10-year-old with PhotoShop can duplicate these results: http://theyflyblog.com/2014/06/15/billy-meier-ufo-case-prove/

As for dinosaurs, etc., just like people can…falsify their identities online, there are those who were able to falsify/manipulate some of Meier’s photos…but NOT of the UFOs, of which there are over 1,200, with films, videos, etc. Not a one of which was ever found to be “hoaxed”, etc., including even by the original investigators:

http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html


http://theyfly.com/PDF/PhotoAnalysis.pdf

Maybe now people will stop repeating the monkey-brained nonsense from debunkers and skeptics, some of whom have already withdrawn their claims (just like the Christian cult leader just did):

http://www.theyfly.com/Top_Skeptic_Fixed.htm

This is easy because life is easier when you just...tell the truth.

[Yorkshire pud]

Aren’t you embarrassed to be this wrong? Being anonymous can only shield you from others knowing how inept you are…you have to live with the inescapable facts.

As pointed out - reeartedly - certainly enough for the average 10-year-old to grasp:

WCUFO analysis:
http://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi_WCUFO%20Investigation.pdf

Pendulum UFO analysis:
http://www.rhalzahi.com/docs/pendulum-EN.pdf

Energy Ships analysis (free bonus!):
http://www.theyfly.com/sites/default/files/ESinvestig3NovV2.pdf

Laser pistol: http://www.theyfly.com/news2005/may06/may06.htm#laser and http://www.theyfly.com/Special-Evidence-Research.htm

The Asket & Nera photos: http://www.theyfly.com/Asket_&_Nera.htm

And yes, even a 10-year-old with PhotoShop can duplicate these results: http://theyflyblog.com/2014/06/15/billy-meier-ufo-case-prove/

As for dinosaurs, etc., just like people can…falsify their identities online, there are those who were able to falsify/manipulate some of Meier’s photos…but NOT of the UFOs, of which there are over 1,200, with films, videos, etc. Not a one of which was ever found to be “hoaxed”, etc., including even by the original investigators:

http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html


http://theyfly.com/PDF/PhotoAnalysis.pdf

Maybe now people will stop repeating the monkey-brained nonsense from debunkers and skeptics, some of whom have already withdrawn their claims (just like the Christian cult leader just did):

http://www.theyfly.com/Top_Skeptic_Fixed.htm

This is easy because life is easier when you just...tell the truth.

Hmm, but where is the independent research? You know, giving your 'findings' to several unrelated scientific institutions to analyse using the same techniques and access to all and any 'evidence' as they see fit?

[MH is a Liar]

Meier has never also had to “correct” his information, while places like NASA have…in the process of which they bring their own estimates ever closer to the very specific, and never speculative, information in the Meier case (http://theyflyblog.com/2013/01/14/nasa-corrects-apophis-information-size-is-almost-exactly-what-billy-meier-foretold/).

Another excellent example is the recently revealed forensic information in the Iceman Mummy case (http://theyflyblog.com/2016/07/17/otzi-gives-skeptics-ulcers-and-fits/) that…ices Meier’s original â€" and much attacked â€" specific information from 25 years ago, which Mahesh has been so tongue-tied about he still hasn't uttered another of his false words...despite staying up late trying desperately to figure out how to continue to falsely accuse Meier. Funny how the truth wins out.

Meier has never had to "correct" his info... Have you STILL not read Mahigitam's Ice Man info?  Meier has corrected like 3 things just in this bit of information alone.  By the way, you know Meier's estimate of Apophis was consistent with NASA's estimate at the time Meier published?  NASA has readjusted this estimate several times. 

Oh, and back to Ice Man and ulcers -- what are you talking about?  We went over this few weeks ago remember?  Ice Man had a pathogen that most people had at the time and he most likely didn't have the actual condition.  How does this support Meier at all?  Ice Man is in fact one of the biggest smoking guns in the case.  Several instances of backdating.  This is f'in madness. 

Back to the lies and fraud you supposedly uncovered with the Christian fellow... I still don't understand.   So he avoided your question by telling you to buy the book -- and this proves fraud?

I don't understand.  Ooooohhh, I guess I get it actually --  you are saying when someone makes a claim, and then fails to respond to questions about it, then this clearly represents lies and fraud.  Great, so like when you told me you had written an article about the evidence for the 50's letters, and then failed to refer to it when I asked you about it 15 times, this must mean then you are a liar and a fraud.  Got it.  Thanks. 

I think Mahigitam has his next blog title, "UFO Cult Leader Caught in Lies & Fraud".  Perfect, I'll let him know.

[MichaelHorn]

Your summary, "I don't understand", which is just your choice, is exactly why no matter assistance is coming your way.

[PB the Deplorable]

Your summary, "I don't understand", which is just your choice, is exactly why no matter assistance is coming your way.

Yes Pud, why do you choose to remain ignorant?

[MH is a Liar]

Your summary, "I don't understand", which is just your choice, is exactly why no matter assistance is coming your way.

Yes Pud, why do you choose to remain ignorant?

I think Horn was talking to me, not Pud.  Anyway.  Right, silly me.  I thought asking for an explanation was the way to remedy my "choice" to remain ignorant.  I guess I'll just never get it... 

Thanks for the (un)helpfulness though, Horn.

But I'll just drop the sarcasm, facetiousness, and beating around the bush -- you offer no "assistance" because you have no explanation for my comments above.  You are a liar, a sociopath, and a hypocrite of the highest order.

Of course, it would be trivially easy to correct me if I am wrong.  For starters, how about simply explain to me why Ice Man, littered with back dating, somehow actually represents a "corroboration" instead of a smoking gun.  No, that one is much too difficult for you. It would require you to actually accept established facts that contradict the made up fact which you have seemingly made an unwavering comment to lying about.

How about this instead:  Simply provide the link to your alleged article defending authenticity of 50's letters. 

You won't, because you don't have one.  Sorry, I just kinda take pleasure in continuing to point out this lie of yours, while you repeatedly tell us you don't lie about Meier material and in the same breath continually accuse others of lying about the Meier material.  It's really quite something to behold.

You know, you could just admit you lied about this non-existent article, and then I'd be happy to have a discussion again about things you actually have written about... but I won't hold my breath.  It is apparently waaaaayy too much to ask of someone who gives endless lip service to "truth" and "self responsibility" to actually take responsibility for his blatant lies...although, I suppose what else should we expect from the right hand man of a fraudulent cult leader..

[Yorkshire pud]

You are a liar, a sociopath, and a hypocrite of the highest order.

ask of someone who gives endless lip service to "truth" and "self responsibility" to actually take responsibility for his blatant lies...although, I suppose what else should we expect from the right hand man of a fraudulent cult leader..

Yeah, but what about his bad points? 

[MichaelHorn]

Michael Moore Film on Billy Meier UFO Case

http://theyflyblog.com/?p=4036

Filmmaker weighs risks of exposing UFO cover-up

[Yorkshire pud]

Michael Moore Film on Billy Meier UFO Case

http://theyflyblog.com/?p=4036

Filmmaker weighs risks of exposing UFO cover-up

You the man Mikey: its good you provide these independent references. Keep it up sweedie.

[MH is a Liar]

Michael Moore Film on Billy Meier UFO Case

http://theyflyblog.com/?p=4036

Filmmaker weighs risks of exposing UFO cover-up

Ahahahahahahaaaahahahaaaahahaahahahahaahahhhhahhhahha...
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Man. This is rich.  From the link:

Since Academy Award-winning documentary filmmaker, Michael Moore, first received evidence of the Billy Meier UFO contacts earlier this year, there’s been increasing speculation about his making an in-depth film on the controversial case.

Too Risky?

With excitement at the prospect of Moore blowing the lid off the cover-up of the most important â€" and suppressed â€" story in history, there are also concerns that even he may not want to take the risk. Famous whistleblowers and journalists, from Glenn Greenwald to Rolling Stone magazine, didn’t want to risk the consequences of exposing the censorship of Meier’s evidence and accurate prophetic warnings.

Oh my god.  I knew Horn had long fallen off the deep end...but he appears to keep finding deeper ends to fall off of.

"... there’s been increasing speculation about his making an in-depth film on the controversial case."

Horn, you mean you -  and only you - have been fantasizing speculating about being featured in a Moore documentary right?

"With excitement at the prospect of Moore blowing the lid off the cover-up of the most important â€" and suppressed â€" story in history, there are also concerns that even he may not want to take the risk."

Yes, such concern!  All of Hollywood is eagerly anticipating whether someone is alas going to be brave enough to risk exposing THE TRUTH!!!   

Please do share your correspondence with Greenwald and Rolling Stone wherein they explained they declined to cover the story because they "didn’t want to risk the consequences of exposing the censorship of Meier’s evidence and accurate prophetic warnings."  Or your response from Moore, where he showed even the slightest interest in your ravings..

Whatta hoot.

Wow,  I am starting to feel like a jerk.  Because Horn is such a sleazy, lying, and obnoxious asshole, I thought I was doing something decent by pointing out his endless lies.  But now I realize he should probably be dealt with as someone who is clinically insane.  You know, "Right, right Mikey, I know, the whole world is out to get you...everything is going to be okay though...yeah, I know, you'll really show 'em one day, Mikey...did you take your medicines, today?"

[MichaelHorn]

http://thenoise.us/editions/0516/0516.html#p=12

[Yorkshire pud]

http://thenoise.us/editions/0516/0516.html#p=12

I have to hand it to you Mickey, you sure show an extraordinarily high level of tenacity in hammering your head against the wall of ridicule, disbelief, scorn, and out and out proof you and Meier are partners in this laughably ridiculous made up evolving fairy tail you call 'truth'. 'Theyfly' is hardly inspired either, space ships don't strictly fly; they don't displace air and from what you allege, dont move in a linear fashion anyway. How is the foil wrapped plastic ray gun development going? Is there an update on the way with real LED flashing light 'zap' action?

[MichaelHorn]

Yeah, we’re having an extended holiday weekend, which gives me a moment to, once again, express my patience and generosity with slow learners. While the information has long been available - for 10 years on my site too - this may help to clarify the laser pistol questions:

http://www.theyfly.com/newsletter/may06/may06.htm#laser

Of course it would help clarify it for people who understand research, investigation, the credentials of the investigators, etc., and…how to think. Having, over a 17-year period, seen what remains now of the tree and the…OVAL hole, I can personally attest to its existence.

There’s additional information about it and a number of other interesting and controversial things here:

http://www.theyfly.com/Special-Evidence-Research.htm

There are a good number of people who will one day be struck by the realization that all their oh-so-clever sniping was a HUGE waste of their time and left them significantly behind in terms of what they could learn, and apply, in this lifetime.

We all make our choices and live by them.

P.S. "They fly" is taken form the brilliant book titled "And Still They Fly!", the first version of which was titled "And Yet They Fly!"

As for my legendary tenacity, the truth binds itself...tenaciously to those who seek and acquire it.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yeah, we’re having an extended holiday weekend, which gives me a moment to, once again, express my patience and generosity with slow learners. While the information has long been available - for 10 years on my site too - this may help to clarify the laser pistol questions:

http://www.theyfly.com/newsletter/may06/may06.htm#lase

Oh boy, you really believe your own shit!

Of course it would help clarify it for people who understand research, investigation, the credentials of the investigators, etc., and…how to think. Having, over a 17-year period, seen what remains now of the tree and the…OVAL hole, I can personally attest to its existence.

Well, I'm convinced; you 'personally attest', that's got to be good enough for anyone!

There’s additional information about it and a number of other interesting and controversial things here:

http://www.theyfly.com/Special-Evidence-Research.htm

Oh dear....back to your own eh?

There are a good number of people who will one day be struck by the realization that all their oh-so-clever sniping was a HUGE waste of their time and left them significantly behind in terms of what they could learn, and apply, in this lifetime.

Yeah, but you'll never be mentioned if aliens did ever land on Earth from another galaxy.. You're no teacher Mickey; you're a delusional, mendacious con artist. If you don't know it, you need to get psychiatric help. If you do, you should be put in a room with a big guy who hasn't seen a woman in years, and isn't partial to those of a diminutive stature making homophobic comments.

We all make our choices and live by them.

Indeed you do Mickey, indeed you do....

P.S. "They fly" is taken form the brilliant book titled "And Still They Fly!", the first version of which was titled "And Yet They Fly!"

As for my legendary tenacity, the truth binds itself...tenaciously to those who seek and acquire it.

I didn't say it was legendry, don't over egg things; you do that a lot, along the lines of 'Thousands of people are supporting me'..bullshit! Anyone with common sense knows you're a sociopathic mouthpiece for the one armed con man in Switzerland, who's ex wife said his 'work' is bullshit.

[MichaelHorn]

Another pearls-before-swine moment. Oh well, most likely it’ll benefit someone else, who doesn’t rely on third person, ex-wife statements...while dismissing expert, credentialed investigators.

Skeptics and critics should be at least fractionally as credible as the targets of their admiration.

As for being mentioned, etc, by extraterrestrials…already happened (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544). Not that important, just a matter of facts, though it also supports why I’m un-perturbable.

I’ll bet you can’t wait for the inevitable day when a slip in casual conversation elicits, “Oh wow, you mean YOU’RE that idiot on BG? Dude, you’re a stark loser!"

Ta ta.

[Yorkshire pud]

Another pearls-before-swine moment. Oh well, most likely it’ll benefit someone else, who doesn’t rely on third person, ex-wife statements...while dismissing expert, credentialed investigators.

Skeptics and critics should be at least fractionally as credible as the targets of their admiration.

As for being mentioned, etc, by extraterrestrials…already happened (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544). Not that important, just a matter of facts, though it also supports why I’m un-perturbable.

I’ll bet you can’t wait for the inevitable day when a slip in casual conversation elicits, “Oh wow, you mean YOU’RE that idiot on BG? Dude, you’re a stark loser!"

Ta ta.

Yeah, you'd say that to my face wouldn't you big boy? 

[Yorkshire pud]

As for being mentioned, etc, by extraterrestrials…already happened (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544). Not that important, just a matter of facts, though it also supports why I’m un-perturbable.

Hilarious; I was half expecting (no, not really) a link to a Professor at MIT or Harvard. Not some fucking like minded asshat woo woo website..Jeeze, you really don't get what 'accredited' or 'serious' means do you?