Billy Meier - Michael Horn

[MichaelHorn]

where did i say i was going to debate you?  show me that.  find the post or produce the email.

Wow, the mere thought of putting one's money where one's mouth is scares this one too!

Hey, don't y'all trip over yourselves running out of the room!

[henge0stone]

he said he would interview you, never heard mention of a debate. I wish MV would though.

[coaster]

Phil Langdon was the guy who recreated every Meier photo and video.
http://www.billymeierufo.com/

Derek Batholomaus was pretty good on Exposing Pseudo astronomy podcast.

I don't think its beyond your skills to debate Horn either. He isn't that good of a debater based on what I've heard. Meier faked photos of 'aliens' and a perusal of Langdon's UFOBust photos and a general knowledge of how the world works is enough I think. Michael just avoids these questions online and when he is interviewed he just filibusters with bullcrap. 

If you debate him be sure to
1. mention the 2004 prediction about Iraq that did not come true in 2006
2. How utterly retarded the MIB stole the evidence defense is. If thats the case there is no proof of anything since this excuse can be used for everything.
3. Ask where these 'predictions' are coming from and why these books are no longer in print and how we can verify them, and why he does not post all the predictions on his website.

Its a great argument though. And convenient.  Whenever your evidence gets debunked, blame the "MIB".

[coaster]

Wow, the mere thought of putting one's money where one's mouth is scares this one too!

Hey, don't y'all trip over yourselves running out of the room!

I doubt MV cares enough about that rube Meier to debate you on the subject. He said you could be on the gabcast. That was all he said.

[henge0stone]

Its a great argument though. And convenient.  Whenever your evidence gets debunked, blame the "MIB".

The problem with that is your are left with basically nothing. If Billy can't even tell what was changed by the MIB then none of the evidence is valid because it all could have been tampered with, making none of it valid.

[MV/Liberace!]

Wow, the mere thought of putting one's money where one's mouth is scares this one too!

Hey, don't y'all trip over yourselves running out of the room!

again... answer a simple question for once.  where did i say i'm going to debate you?

[MichaelHorn]

We see MV holding his index finger up to his mouth, his lips used and ushering an enormously loud and urgent "Shhhhhhhhhh!!!"

Let's clarify things: This is the playground for the wannabes and that's fine, I get to look in and see what they've smeared on the walls.

The world of debate simply isn't what they're qualified to engage in.

Please tell MV you didn't mean it so he can sit down and let his blood pressure return to normal.

[coaster]

The problem with that is your are left with basically nothing. If Billy can't even tell what was changed by the MIB then none of the evidence is valid because it all could have been tampered with, making none of it valid.

Exactly. Thats what makes his argument hilarious. It's the same with any of these frauds though. Then you have folks like Bara, who calls people NASA shills whenever they shit on his "evidence". Just grown men playing make believe.

[henge0stone]

We see MV holding his index finger up to his mouth, his lips used and ushering an enormously loud and urgent "Shhhhhhhhhh!!!"

Let's clarify things: This is the playground for the wannabes and that's fine, I get to look in and see what they've smeared on the walls.

what do we we wannabe? Certainly no one wants to be you

[coaster]

We see MV holding his index finger up to his mouth, his lips used and ushering an enormously loud and urgent "Shhhhhhhhhh!!!"

Let's clarify things: This is the playground for the wannabes and that's fine, I get to look in and see what they've smeared on the walls.

The world of debate simply isn't what they're qualified to engage in.

Please tell MV you didn't mean it so he can sit down and let his blood pressure return to normal.

Christ, you are retarded.

[aldousburbank]

The problem with that is your are left with basically nothing. If Billy can't even tell what was changed by the MIB then none of the evidence is valid because it all could have been tampered with, making none of it valid.

[onan]

Wow, the mere thought of putting one's money where one's mouth is scares this one too!

Hey, don't y'all trip over yourselves running out of the room!

Why would anyone want to debate the subject of space aliens? It has as much legitimacy as debating the existence Santa Claus.

Look, I get that you want to be a big shot. As hacks go, perhaps you succeeded.

[PB the Deplorable]

he said he would interview you, never heard mention of a debate. I wish MV would though.

Whorn isn't big on portraying past comments or discussions accurately or in context.  A withdrawn offer of an interview, he now insists is reneging on a 'debate'. 

Instead of a debate (or in addition to one if anyone is so inclined), instead of a bunch of links to long winded crap no one is going to wade through, how about a few thoughtful, concise, responses to some of the posts that bring up reasonable questions and observations? 

There are dozens of posts on this thread alone bringing up issues he can't or won't respond to - how about SV's post yesterday about Billy Meier's ''predictions'' of Islamic terror in Paris made during a time of war and upheaval in French occupied Algeria, and the sick craven use of them this week?

[MV/Liberace!]

We see MV holding his index finger up to his mouth, his lips used and ushering an enormously loud and urgent "Shhhhhhhhhh!!!"

Let's clarify things: This is the playground for the wannabes and that's fine, I get to look in and see what they've smeared on the walls.

The world of debate simply isn't what they're qualified to engage in.

Please tell MV you didn't mean it so he can sit down and let his blood pressure return to normal.

"debating" you, in my way of thinking, would be like debating someone on whether gandalf's staff is more powerful than harry potter's wand. your material is the product of an old man's fraud/fantasy, so who could really "debate" that? i'm no expert on what you're selling.  i do see plenty of specific examples of your messiah's deceit, though, which makes the rest of it unworthy of study, in my mind.  also, the circular nature of this exchange illustrates why the prospect of conversing with you is less than appealing.

you look like a penis and are incapable of maintaining personal relationships, but i'd be willing to have you on to debate someone who, unlike me, has wasted the personal time to bother debunking this tripe.

Phil Langdon was the guy who recreated every Meier photo and video.
http://www.billymeierufo.com/

Derek Batholomaus was pretty good on Exposing Pseudo astronomy podcast.

I don't think its beyond your skills to debate Horn either. He isn't that good of a debater based on what I've heard. Meier faked photos of 'aliens' and a perusal of Langdon's UFOBust photos and a general knowledge of how the world works is enough I think. Michael just avoids these questions online and when he is interviewed he just filibusters with bullcrap. 

If you debate him be sure to
1. mention the 2004 prediction about Iraq that did not come true in 2006
2. How utterly retarded the MIB stole the evidence defense is. If thats the case there is no proof of anything since this excuse can be used for everything.
3. Ask where these 'predictions' are coming from and why these books are no longer in print and how we can verify them, and why he does not post all the predictions on his website.

thanks for this.  i'll send some emails.

[BobGrau]

We see MV holding his index finger up to his mouth, his lips used and ushering an enormously loud and urgent "Shhhhhhhhhh!!!"

Let's clarify things: This is the playground for the wannabes and that's fine, I get to look in and see what they've smeared on the walls.

The world of debate simply isn't what they're qualified to engage in.

Please tell MV you didn't mean it so he can sit down and let his blood pressure return to normal.

You spend a lot of time "looking in" at playgrounds?

[PB the Deplorable]

Adorable, unstoppable and…tireless...


Ptaah:

There is nothing there with which to argue, because your words correspond to reality. This, however, changes nothing in our attitude. If, in relation to the human beings...

These are not the droids you're looking for?

[PB the Deplorable]

... It has as much legitimacy as debating the existence Santa Claus...

Reported

[Camazotz Automat]

Why would anyone want to debate the subject of space aliens? It has as much legitimacy as debating the existence Santa Claus.

Well thanks for ruining that one for me, you son of a bitch.


..... all those well written letters to the North Pole.

FOR NOTHING.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Well thanks for ruining that one for me, you son of a bitch.


..... all those well written letters to the North Pole.

FOR NOTHING.

No kidding!  Santa Claus is every bit as real as Billy Meier, and don't anyone forget it!

[Yorkshire pud]

No kidding!  Santa Claus is every bit as real as Billy Meier, and don't anyone forget it!

And his beard is just as itchy...just saying.

Horn is demented, he's also  a typical unskilled, low aspirational wannabee famous/ important somebody. He can't even do it with his own bullshit; having to peddle the bullshit of a fantasising Swiss bloke. Horn, what exactly is it you normally did for a living before discovering that you might sell to the easily fooled?

[mahigitam]

do you guys know who would be best to debate horn?

I have already debunked Meier's dozens of so-called genuine space and time travel photos and also nearly 200 so-called "fulfilled" prophecies and predictions both on my website (www.billymeieruforesearch.com) and on my blog (http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/p/analysis.html).

And recently exposed Michael Horn's blatant lies during his debate with Stanton Friedman.
http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/2015/11/facts-for-stanton-friedman-exposing.html

And by the way, was recently interviewed for an article on Topsecretwriters.com:
http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2015/11/billy-meier-ufo-research-group-keeps-the-fraud-under-wraps/

Here is an excerpt from that article:

"When I confronted Michael Horn with this irrefutable fact, he apparently tried to silence me by offering me a free trip to US (where I would be introduced ‘as a scientist’ and have to speak only positively on the Meier case) for not publishing my analysis, which I flatly rejected and went ahead with its publication. Apparently Michael Horn doesn’t want the truth to come out. Was it because he was afraid that it would make his wallet lighter or was there any other reason? I simply don’t know."

[Camazotz Automat]

And not to mention the fact that any self respecting savior/prophet would regenerate his fucking arm.

[onan]

Well thanks for ruining that one for me, you son of a bitch.


..... all those well written letters to the North Pole.

FOR NOTHING.

I do it all for you, man.

Reported

What are you going to do when I discuss the Easter Bunny?

[chefist]

Here is an excerpt from that article:

"When I confronted Michael Horn with this irrefutable fact, he apparently tried to silence me by offering me a free trip to US (where I would be introduced ‘as a scientist’ and have to speak only positively on the Meier case) for not publishing my analysis, which I flatly rejected and went ahead with its publication. Apparently Michael Horn doesn’t want the truth to come out. Was it because he was afraid that it would make his wallet lighter or was there any other reason? I simply don’t know."

Good thing you didn't go...you may not have returned home!

[MichaelHorn]

I will take the time to state that Mahigitam has, again lied here  (do you see ANY debunking of Meier's UFO photos? Of course not).

I asked Mahigitam several years ago if he would be willing to come to a scientific conference to present the corroborations of Billy Meier's prophetic information that HE had found and provided to me. I told him that if he was willing I'd see if we could get him brought over for it. He then informed me that he actually wasn't a scientist, which I had thought he was, so that his presenting at a scientific conference wouldn't work. Since I do my work voluntarily, I certainly am not in the position to, nor would I, buy someone a plane ticket to fly here from India. But to understand that requires common sense, clear thinking, self-honesty and the other ingredients not in evidence here.

Naturally, since he's a liar - which should provide a nice home for him here - he's tried to twist it into some preposterous thing where I'd pay for and put restrictions on him, which is ridiculous also since he was primarily positive about the case.

It's good though that his ambitions have driven him to lie about it publicly and of course he'll have a bunch of cheerleaders here, etc. As events unfortunately unfold and the prophecies further fulfill, he and his supporters will ultimately have to deal with it. That's just the way life works. So work yourselves up into a lathered feeding frenzy and be prepared to feel the consequences of your own making in your own lives.

The people were warned...and di they listen?

[chefist]

...be prepared to feel the consequences....

The people were warned...and di they listen?

This appears to be a threat! I would take precautions and notify the proper authorities.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Naturally, since he's a liar - which should provide a nice home for him here...

Who else has been telling lies here?  There's been a lot of ridicule and derision directed at you and your claims, but as far as I can tell it's all been quite honest.

[MV/Liberace!]

I have already debunked Meier's dozens of so-called genuine space and time travel photos and also nearly 200 so-called "fulfilled" prophecies and predictions both on my website (www.billymeieruforesearch.com) and on my blog (http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/p/analysis.html).

And recently exposed Michael Horn's blatant lies during his debate with Stanton Friedman.
http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/2015/11/facts-for-stanton-friedman-exposing.html

And by the way, was recently interviewed for an article on Topsecretwriters.com:
http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2015/11/billy-meier-ufo-research-group-keeps-the-fraud-under-wraps/

Here is an excerpt from that article:

"When I confronted Michael Horn with this irrefutable fact, he apparently tried to silence me by offering me a free trip to US (where I would be introduced ‘as a scientist’ and have to speak only positively on the Meier case) for not publishing my analysis, which I flatly rejected and went ahead with its publication. Apparently Michael Horn doesn’t want the truth to come out. Was it because he was afraid that it would make his wallet lighter or was there any other reason? I simply don’t know."

would you be interested in debating horn on my podcast?

[SredniVashtar]

The people were warned...and di they listen?

We have been through this. Your buddy just throws shit out like some low-rent Bible thumper. Very occasionally (thanks to their utter vagueness and the imbecility of his target audience) these fatuously scattershot predictions are seen as coming halfway true, and we are supposed to forget all those other times when he booted it right over the fucking crossbar. You annoyed a lot of people on here by - instead of keeping your trap shut at a time of tragedy - attempting to promote your little snuggle-buddy.

You deliberately avoided my question the other day, which eloquently showed how full of shit you are. Meier first made those predictions during the war in Algeria at a time when Islamism was on the upsurge, and his subsequent pronouncements came, for example, when Iran and the Ayatollah Khomeini was in the news. Anyone could have done that. Meier didn't reference any specific terror groups, it was all just shit he saw on the news and you fools fall for it.

[MichaelHorn]

Whistling in the mind...