Started by 21st Century Man, October 22, 2016, 12:36:08 AM
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Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 22, 2016, 05:32:51 PMI'm sure you made up these numbers, but you don't think anybody has been abducted by an alien? I'm not 100% sure Whitley Streiber claimed he was ever abducted but his story is pretty close and he sounds totally sincere to me. Travis Walton was falsely attacked for committing fraud when all that happened there was an honest mistake and he sounds sincere to me and Betty and Barney Hill were totally sincere. Other than with Whitley Streiber who is an author, I don't think either the Travis Walton Case or the Hill's case can be explained by their 'overactive imaginations.' Especially not Travis Walton as he had separate witnesses.I realize that writing I think these are likely genuine cases of alien abductions will, to some here, weaken my credible on other things I write here, but with everything, my view is: I go wherever the best evidence takes me, even when it takes me to some very strange places.I also don't necessary believe in angels, but there are many credible stories of people who report they heard a voice telling them to either not to do something or to do something that saved their lives. The prosaic explanation for these is 'they subconsiously noticed something that they responded to and they only thought they heard a voice." I think the evidence for that explanation is very weak as in many cases there was no way they or their subconscious could have noticed anything.
Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 22, 2016, 05:29:57 PMI can see this will be a popular thread. For the record, while I take back my comment about volcanoes and co2, I still am skeptical that co2 emissions from man is a problem and that it is inducing climate change. I certainly don't think it should be used as an excuse to increase taxes.
Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 22, 2016, 05:33:23 PMSo decrease other taxes and leave it revenue neutral.
Quote from: GravitySucks on October 22, 2016, 05:36:39 PMThere is a lot of science that says that CO2 rises occur after temperature rise, kind of injecting doubt into the argument that CO2 causes the temperature rise. Since 1850, temperatures have risen slightly, which one would expect given that we had just experienced the "little ice age". CO2 has gone up as well. But there will always be arguments over whether CO2 causes the temperature rise. http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-temperatures-co2-climate.html
Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 22, 2016, 05:35:49 PMYou better think this over again because I agree with everything that you said in this post. Something is wrong.
Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 22, 2016, 05:51:43 PMGeorge Noory used to tell the story of the time he was going to drive through a green light and he stopped suddenly and the cars behind him were honking their horns and a car going the other way went by at very high speed through the red light. I don't remember if Noory said he heard a voice or if he said he saw an angel or exactly what.His guest replied "You must have subconsciously picked up on the car." 1.Noory said the car going the other way was going very fast. It would have been far too far away for Noory subconsciously or otherwise to notice it. Of course, Noory could have confused the speed that car was going, as that tends to happen, but I still find it very hard to believe.2.Why would anybody think the dullard Noory would have looked left and looked right before going through the intersection?I don't think anybody has made any theory of the subconscious being able to do anything like this except in this case where people claim to hear voices. To me, that suggests the subconscious must have incredible untapped powers (except, I guess for this one thing where these powers suddenly pop up). That strikes me as being far more incredible than the idea that these people actually heard a voice, since that is what they say happened to them.
Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 22, 2016, 02:53:48 PMFewer than 50% of American citizens believe in man-made climate change according to Pew. Sure you can say the rest of us are idiots but the fact of the matter is many people are not convinced.http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/public-views-on-climate-change-and-climate-scientists/
Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 22, 2016, 05:38:21 PMI don't really have a problem with that.
Quote from: GravitySucks on October 22, 2016, 07:11:20 PMSo now liberals are having seances with dead economists to justify carbon taxes. You have outdone yourself. Go conjure me up a sandwich.
Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 22, 2016, 08:02:33 PMFollowers of Milton Friedman on economics are liberals?
Quote from: GravitySucks on October 22, 2016, 08:05:50 PMGo watch the Dead Poets Society. I am tired of you.
Quote from: GravitySucks on October 22, 2016, 08:12:15 PMWhere's my sandwich plebe?
Quote from: GravitySucks on October 22, 2016, 04:52:34 PMAccording to this, rice fields account for 13% of methane introduced into the atmosphere. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rice-paddy-methane-emissi/
Quote from: onan on October 22, 2016, 05:19:03 PMYes methane is worse. And as we get warmer due to CO2, the permafrost will start to thaw (already is) which will increase methane into the atmosphere.
Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 22, 2016, 05:40:36 PMRight and that is why I have doubts about the co2 theory. We've been coming out of this little ice age and of course the temperature has gone up. Coincidentally this happened the same time the industrial age kicked in. Who can say for sure what has caused the temperature increase?
Quote from: Hog on October 22, 2016, 11:42:25 PMWe can all say with certainty that the increase in global climate temperatures is due to the reduction in reflected solar energy back into space.Hey Gravity, are we still going to build a dome over Houston so that it can remain liveable?I know that NASA has had to come up with new plans to keep the space launch infrastructure in Florida from being encroached upon by the rising tides. Weve already had gators in the VAB, we dont need fish in there as well.peaceHog
Quote from: Hog on October 22, 2016, 11:42:25 PMWe can all say with certainty that the increase in global climate temperatures is due to the reduction in reflected solar energy back into space.
Quote from: Juan on October 23, 2016, 07:16:32 AMI have two concerns.1. How accurate is the data? About a dozen years ago a retired meteorologist in California put up a website on which he posted the NOAA map showing where all of their little weather stations were. They are boxes about 12" on a side placed on poles about six feet above ground. He also published the NOAA specifications for where the stations should be located - in grass fields of a certain size, distance from buildings, etc. He asked people to go out and photograph the stations to see if they complied. Photos were posted showing stations within a few feet of air conditioner vents, in the middle of asphalt parking lots, and one famously showed homeless people burning rubblish directly beneath one. My own station in Florida was about 10-feet from a blacktop parking lot - far too close. I suspect the data.2. Experts are famously wrong in their predictions about almost everything.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 23, 2016, 07:28:54 AMIs that an appeal to authority? When multi national automonous scientific studies around the globe arrive at the same scenario, its a safe bet that they're not all wrong. Its funny how such research, undertaken over decades is doubted/ dismissed by some, yet any bullshit spouted by such as David Icke is lapped up as empirical fact.
Quote from: Juan on October 23, 2016, 07:51:05 AMIf the data is suspect in the US, what assurance do we have that it's better in other countries?Yes.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 23, 2016, 07:59:22 AMWho suspects it?
Quote from: Catsmile on October 23, 2016, 12:16:38 PMWhur I live wuz once at the heart of dozens of stars...Whur I live will be ate up by the sun one day...Climate iz gonna climatez. Long az u got Jeezus, gunz, an wimmenz... all dat maff an sci-ants iz crap. 'Merica!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E
Quote from: Jackstar on October 23, 2016, 12:30:57 PMThis thread is as relevant as the question of ultimate supremacy between Superman and Mighty Mouse.