Started by GuerrillaUnReal, August 01, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jackstar on December 25, 2016, 11:07:38 AMThree rhetorical questions in a row is how one summons Candyman, and not how one gets back on speaking terms with me. Pound sand, Fucko.
Quote from: Jackstar on December 25, 2016, 10:49:56 AMhttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-defense-ministry-jet-disappears-radar-over-black-sea-russian-n699911?cid=eml_nbn_20161225
Quote from: Uncle Duke on December 25, 2016, 11:41:47 AMNot clear to me whose a/c this actually was, a Russian military jet or a charter for the MoD. If the latter, would probably mean it was more subject to sabotage. TU-154s have been around since the 70s and don't have a great safety record.
Quote from: Jackstar on December 25, 2016, 11:51:28 AMAs could be easily forseen, the usual hot sheets are lit up with the usual dysfunctional dysinfos already. This is big. This new season of Scorpion is awesome!!Does anyone have a list of the whacked yet? Intensely curious as to the target. My hunch is that it was the marching band, literally. But a hunch is all I got, you know me.I don't judge.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 25, 2016, 11:47:42 AM As most Russian aircraft. Crews aren't noted for their sobriety either.
Quote from: albrecht on December 25, 2016, 12:42:30 PMSeems not as suspicious
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 25, 2016, 11:56:13 AMWhy are you still home? Get over there to the crash site asap and get digging swimming for information. Do it.
Quote from: Jackstar on December 25, 2016, 01:07:25 PMMe, I'm saving myself up a bit. I want to savor this.
Quote from: Uncle Duke on December 25, 2016, 12:12:25 PMThe Russians used to send some of their commercial aircraft to Shannon for depot level maintenance. You'd see them sitting out on the tarmac, or occasionally doing post maintenance FCFs around the area. They always struck me as looking ratty and bedrangled, got the impression the Russians didn't pay the Irish to spruce up the aircraft as part of the depot maintenance.Don't know about the post-Soviet era, but back in the day the Soviets played games registering quasi-military aircraft as commercial aircraft. Wasn't unusual to see transport aircraft with tail guns in Aeroflot markings and civil codes. Will be interesting to see who owned/maintained/operated the TU-154 lost today.
Quote from: Chefist on December 25, 2016, 01:16:22 PMRussians always held a philosophy of "less than ideal conditions" when it comes to warfare. Make your everyday condition seem like a wartime condition. They put flaps on intakes of all their aircraft so no rocks, debris, etc can get into the engines on take off...Rivets instead of composite...so you can fix the rivet, where a structural failure in composite is very difficult to repair...Not a bad design concept...it has disadvantages of course, but makes common sense...
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 25, 2016, 01:22:09 PMFoxbat with valves etc...could get to SR71 altitudes at near Mach 3 but destroyed the motors doing so.
QuoteAccording to a list of passengers and crew published by the ministry, there were 64 members of the choir, and their conductor Valery Khalilov on board the crashed plane.Members of the choir were travelling to Syria to celebrate the New Year with Russian troops. The Alexandrov Ensemble is an official army choir of the Russian Armed Forces. It consists of a male choir, an orchestra, and a dance group.
Quote from: Jackstar on December 25, 2016, 02:39:15 PMhttps://sputniknews.com/russia/201612251048980664-ensemble-plane-crash/It would be difficult to understate the enormity of the horror, should this disaster prove to have been deliberate.
Quote from: Jackstar on December 25, 2016, 02:43:55 PMI can't leave this spot. I am riveted with anticipation to see how you're going to pretend to not recognize the implications inherent in the video you keep ignoring the posting of, while relentlessly pounding the thread with pointless shitposts.It's notable and quaint.
QuoteThe last big TU-154 crash was in 2010 when a Polish jet carrying then-president Lech Kaczynski and much of Poland's political elite crashed in western Russia killing everyone on board.
Quote from: Uncle Duke on December 28, 2016, 09:41:36 AMRussia plane crash: Flight recorder 'reveals faulty wing flaps to blame' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38449058I'm a little skeptical, I doubt they have enough information to make this call. Asymmetric flaps would cause the a/c to roll into the side with less lift (more raised flap), the greater the asymmetry the more pronounced the roll. The article doesn't say the FDR showed the roll, just the difference in flap positions. The flaps would have been used in the landing, so that would probably indicate a failure of an actuator and/or connector push rods during climb out. Not impossible, but an a/c type with 40-plus years of maintenance history would have data to show mode and frequency of component failure. Maintenance history of this specific a/c might also show a reason to suspect a particular component failure. While this might eventually be shown to be the cause, it seems too early call it the cause.
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 28, 2016, 09:53:41 AMWas it a day or night time flight? Its possble the crew were flying on instruments and got disorientated with the asymmetry from a control surface failure. The voice recorder may reveal more.
Quote from: Uncle Duke on December 28, 2016, 11:03:45 AMI think they took off in VFR daytime conditions. The article says, according to the voice recorder, one of the crew said, "The flaps, hell, what...". My point is the Russians seem to be in a rush to establish a cause other than sabotage or terrorism. No competent mishap investigator is going to talk about the cause of a crash three days after the fact before the wreckage and bodies have been recovered/analyzed, and a thorough review of historical maintenance data of the type and specific a/c.
Quote from: Uncle Duke on December 28, 2016, 11:03:45 AMMy point is the Russians seem to be in a rush to establish a cause other than sabotage or terrorism.
Quote from: Jackstar on December 28, 2016, 02:21:33 PMEveryone knows the cause. We all know it. Wandering dogs (((investigators))) know it.What remains is establishing a chain of evidence. Hah! Hah! Good luck, Ivan.
Quote from: Jackstar on December 28, 2016, 02:32:48 PMIt's classified and you and I don't speak. Die in a fire.