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Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 07, 2022, 11:58:00 AMHere's those tolerant and inclusive Democrats again.

Oh barbie...Now do the armed 'poll watchers' intimidating voters and voting centre workers, and the death threats to same. Forcing many to quit because in 'modern' America, 'conservativism' means adoring drump, going back at least 150 years and having a hissy if they lose. To get around that they gerrymander, and basically choose their voters, because voters choosing the representative is so pro democracy and anti drump.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 07, 2022, 12:38:03 PMOh barbie...Now do the armed 'poll watchers' intimidating voters and voting centre workers, and the death threats to same. Forcing many to quit because in 'modern' America, 'conservativism' means adoring drump, going back at least 150 years and having a hissy if they lose. To get around that they gerrymander, and basically choose their voters, because voters choosing the representative is so pro democracy and anti drump.

Fake news.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 07, 2022, 12:39:19 PMFake news.

Fake doctor..   

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 07, 2022, 12:41:08 PMFake doctor..   

Fake marriage.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 07, 2022, 12:42:32 PMFake marriage.

LOL,, is that it?   

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 07, 2022, 12:44:01 PMLOL,, is that it?   

Just matching your bullshit, pud.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 07, 2022, 12:45:11 PMJust matching your bullshit, pud.

Oh no, your bullshit is far and away superior to mine...or even SV's! And far more prevalent. 

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 07, 2022, 12:49:23 PMOh no, your bullshit is far and away superior to mine...or even SV's! And far more prevalent. 

By bullshit I mean your outright lies. Perhaps only K_Dubb surpasses you here.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 07, 2022, 12:53:04 PMBy bullshit I mean your outright lies. Perhaps only K_Dubb surpasses you here.

Oh please list specifically what I've lied about...

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 07, 2022, 01:06:46 PMOh please list specifically what I've lied about...

Pretty much everything. I don't even think you can tell the difference anymore. What was your relationship with your mother like?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 07, 2022, 01:14:50 PMPretty much everything. I don't even think you can tell the difference anymore. What was your relationship with your mother like?

It's frankly laughable that you get all self righteous and disdainful of the lies you say I tell (but nothing to back it up, quelle surprise), yet your orange god and his disciples who lie as readily as breathing you give a pass to..

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 07, 2022, 01:18:58 PMIt's frankly laughable that you get all self righteous and disdainful of the lies you say I tell (but nothing to back it up, quelle surprise), yet your orange god and his disciples who lie as readily as breathing you give a pass to..

Oh, I could and have called you on your specific lies, pud. I just won't do it at your command because you command nothing and no one. Maybe if I had the slightest bit of respect for you but I don't. You just regurgitate MSM talking points here. 🙄

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 07, 2022, 09:09:25 AMThe pretzel maga knot the first guy ties himself into is glorious!!

  

Americans luv them hot button issues.

But listen to an expert for shuck sakes.

Quotehttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/mehmet-oz-may-audio-abortion-murder-stage-pregnancy-rcna45621

Quote from: Silphion on November 07, 2022, 05:16:09 PMAmericans luv them hot button issues.

But listen to an expert for shuck sakes.

I also notice now that some Russians are, again, claiming manipulations and the usual suspects are now promoting that. Bringing out the old play-book. Even though ignoring manipulations of voting has a long history, on, basically, all sides, and so I can believe it. Or so people are supposed to believe, whether true or not. Prime the pump.

RIP Chuds

[DEMOCRACY INTENSIFIES]

You Drumpfers wont be so smug when the real vote counts come in next week

Quote from: Asuka Langley on November 07, 2022, 05:32:42 PMYou Drumpfers wont be so smug when the real vote counts come in next week

Gay and possibly fake.

What other countries have midterm elections?

What other countries would want a political system like the USA?

Should foreign countries actually monitor the US midterm elections?


(All the above quaestiones rhetoricae)

Quote from: Silphion on November 07, 2022, 05:52:51 PMWhat other countries have midterm elections?

What other countries would want a political system like the USA?

Should foreign countries actually monitor the US midterm elections?


(All the above quaestiones rhetoricae)

Our political system, not just elections but especially the Administrative State, has been suspect since certain changes over the many decades. But still, relatively, better than others, despite the changes and pressures they make. Arguably, one could want some more chaotic systems with spot-elections, random changes in government every month it seems, or crazed popular referendums- as some countries, States, or others have. Generally the system, while still somewhat corrupt, it could be for a generally better good? Stability versus massive changes, at least until recently. It could be argued though that idea, especially since the changes and influences, that maintaining, or propping up, a stable system sets itself up for a bigger problem- rather than small faults moving you get the BIG ONE. I don't know.

https://twitter.com/leezeldin/status/1588571292621737984

Quote from: albrecht on November 07, 2022, 06:01:45 PMOur political system, not just elections but especially the Administrative State, has been suspect since certain changes over the many decades. But still, relatively, better than others, despite the changes and pressures they make. Arguably, one could want some more chaotic systems with spot-elections, random changes in government every month it seems, or crazed popular referendums- as some countries, States, or others have. Generally the system, while still somewhat corrupt, it could be for a generally better good? Stability versus massive changes, at least until recently. It could be argued though that idea, especially since the changes and influences, that maintaining, or propping up, a stable system sets itself up for a bigger problem- rather than small faults moving you get the BIG ONE. I don't know.

Okay, I've lived in the States just over six years, through two general elections and a mid term, this will be the second.

The American system is based on money. Are you rich/influential? Yes? Then roll up, we'll get you lobbied. Congress (Especially the Senate)is pretty much a stagnant atrophied edifice that has no incentive to do anything for the people in general. It has been completely out of touch with the demograph of the country, unless you happen to be an octogenarian white millionaire. Just who does Chuck Grassley represent? Land? This is the thing, because each state has two Senators, California or Georgia or Florida or New York State have the same say as Wyoming, which has just over half a million people, fewer than the population of Sacramento. California has nearly 40 Million. Grassley's state Iowa just over 3 million. Yet all three have the same say irrespective of the actual votes cast for any party nationally, even if any piece of legislature doesn't directly effect that state. The big problem is US politicians are not compelled to relinquish their business interests when they take office, they can even game the markets and get no sanctions. Win win. They can (and do!) vote for legislation that will directly benefit them (and the billionaires) personally. Tax breaks for the very rich who could never spend what they already own? Absolutely. Free child care? Free health care at the point of need, bypassing the insurance companies who (and I know this is a shock) are in it for profit not health care. Oh no, that's 'socialism'. Someone explain to me why that isn't perverse.
 
And there's the other bind, only two parties with (today) diametrically opposing views save for a very few who will compromise, but again in the current climate, unless the Republicans bow to the orange Jesus they're ostracised or worse. Neither party as they stand will represent the population, only their own tribe. It needs at least another one maybe two more parties that drop in the middle.

 The average education level of America is low compared with other industrialised countries. Sure, there are some truly brilliant people, but the median nationally isn't high.
And it plays to the advantage of certain politicians, because an uneducated electorate is easy to manipulate, easy to convince. Certain candidates have taken it to a new level and advocated the banning of books in schools, because they're so insecure of their own value it scares them that a kid might read different opinions and arrive at their own rather than that of the bigot dictating what they read. And certain teachers in certain states are leaving, so the self fulfilling prophecy might realise sooner rather than later.

Quotecrazed popular referendums- as some countries

Such as the I think two dozen plus 'props' on the bill for this years election here. They're referendums. Our letterbox has been crammed with the mailing crap.

And if you don't think lying matters; let me remind you about what happened in 2016 in the UK. Boris Johnson, Micheal Gove, Nigel Farage and others pushed the myth that if the UK pulled out of the EU, then fluffy bunnies would skip in the meadows, fluffy clouds would rain liquid gold and Britain would gain respect throughout the world because they were free of the shackles of the EU..

We're in 2022, since then the UK is on it's FORTH PM, the mendacious Johnson long gone and still rich. But what of Brexit? Well, the economy is fucked, you think the inflation in the US is poor, it has a rate that right now the UK would dream of having. And NOT ONE politician that advocated Brexit has even acknowledged that the issues that were predicted by the remainers (and came to pass) have anything to do with Brexit! Delusion isn't even close.

There's a real possibility that the UK will tank it's currency, I don't mean drop to parity with the dollar but really tank. And it could have been avoided, but the liars won. It's what they wanted but they're too cowardly to own it. They essentially forced the deportation of EU citizens who until Brexit had freedom of movement to work and live..Now they've gone, the hospitality industry has no staff to make the beds in hotels, Fruit growers have no-one to help with the harvest. Farmers cannot sell their stock anyway because the paperwork they didn't need in the EU they now do, and so don't have the freedom of transit, miles and miles of trucks at the ports as they wait for custom clearance, supermarket shelves not close to how they were when I left the UK..And it will only get worse. All because of a lie.

Quote from: Asuka Langley on November 08, 2022, 12:38:11 AM

America uber alles?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 07, 2022, 11:34:47 PMOkay, I've lived in the States just over six years, through two general elections and a mid term, this will be the second.

The American system is based on money. Are you rich/influential? Yes? Then roll up, we'll get you lobbied. Congress (Especially the Senate)is pretty much a stagnant atrophied edifice that has no incentive to do anything for the people in general. It has been completely out of touch with the demograph of the country, unless you happen to be an octogenarian white millionaire. Just who does Chuck Grassley represent? Land? This is the thing, because each state has two Senators, California or Georgia or Florida or New York State have the same say as Wyoming, which has just over half a million people, fewer than the population of Sacramento. California has nearly 40 Million. Grassley's state Iowa just over 3 million. Yet all three have the same say irrespective of the actual votes cast for any party nationally, even if any piece of legislature doesn't directly effect that state. The big problem is US politicians are not compelled to relinquish their business interests when they take office, they can even game the markets and get no sanctions. Win win. They can (and do!) vote for legislation that will directly benefit them (and the billionaires) personally. Tax breaks for the very rich who could never spend what they already own? Absolutely. Free child care? Free health care at the point of need, bypassing the insurance companies who (and I know this is a shock) are in it for profit not health care. Oh no, that's 'socialism'. Someone explain to me why that isn't perverse.
 
And there's the other bind, only two parties with (today) diametrically opposing views save for a very few who will compromise, but again in the current climate, unless the Republicans bow to the orange Jesus they're ostracised or worse. Neither party as they stand will represent the population, only their own tribe. It needs at least another one maybe two more parties that drop in the middle.

 The average education level of America is low compared with other industrialised countries. Sure, there are some truly brilliant people, but the median nationally isn't high.
And it plays to the advantage of certain politicians, because an uneducated electorate is easy to manipulate, easy to convince. Certain candidates have taken it to a new level and advocated the banning of books in schools, because they're so insecure of their own value it scares them that a kid might read different opinions and arrive at their own rather than that of the bigot dictating what they read. And certain teachers in certain states are leaving, so the self fulfilling prophecy might realise sooner rather than later.

Such as the I think two dozen plus 'props' on the bill for this years election here. They're referendums. Our letterbox has been crammed with the mailing crap.

And if you don't think lying matters; let me remind you about what happened in 2016 in the UK. Boris Johnson, Micheal Gove, Nigel Farage and others pushed the myth that if the UK pulled out of the EU, then fluffy bunnies would skip in the meadows, fluffy clouds would rain liquid gold and Britain would gain respect throughout the world because they were free of the shackles of the EU..

We're in 2022, since then the UK is on it's FORTH PM, the mendacious Johnson long gone and still rich. But what of Brexit? Well, the economy is fucked, you think the inflation in the US is poor, it has a rate that right now the UK would dream of having. And NOT ONE politician that advocated Brexit has even acknowledged that the issues that were predicted by the remainers (and came to pass) have anything to do with Brexit! Delusion isn't even close.

There's a real possibility that the UK will tank it's currency, I don't mean drop to parity with the dollar but really tank. And it could have been avoided, but the liars won. It's what they wanted but they're too cowardly to own it. They essentially forced the deportation of EU citizens who until Brexit had freedom of movement to work and live..Now they've gone, the hospitality industry has no staff to make the beds in hotels, Fruit growers have no-one to help with the harvest. Farmers cannot sell their stock anyway because the paperwork they didn't need in the EU they now do, and so don't have the freedom of transit, miles and miles of trucks at the ports as they wait for custom clearance, supermarket shelves not close to how they were when I left the UK..And it will only get worse. All because of a lie.

You're not suggesting the USA is actually an oligopoly, are you? That sounds very suspect. How do we know you're not part of some fifth column?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 07, 2022, 11:34:47 PMOkay, I've lived in the States just over six years, through two general elections and a mid term, this will be the second.

The American system is based on money. Are you rich/influential? Yes? Then roll up, we'll get you lobbied. Congress (Especially the Senate)is pretty much a stagnant atrophied edifice that has no incentive to do anything for the people in general. It has been completely out of touch with the demograph of the country, unless you happen to be an octogenarian white millionaire. Just who does Chuck Grassley represent? Land? This is the thing, because each state has two Senators, California or Georgia or Florida or New York State have the same say as Wyoming, which has just over half a million people, fewer than the population of Sacramento. California has nearly 40 Million. Grassley's state Iowa just over 3 million. Yet all three have the same say irrespective of the actual votes cast for any party nationally, even if any piece of legislature doesn't directly effect that state. The big problem is US politicians are not compelled to relinquish their business interests when they take office, they can even game the markets and get no sanctions. Win win. They can (and do!) vote for legislation that will directly benefit them (and the billionaires) personally. Tax breaks for the very rich who could never spend what they already own? Absolutely. Free child care? Free health care at the point of need, bypassing the insurance companies who (and I know this is a shock) are in it for profit not health care. Oh no, that's 'socialism'. Someone explain to me why that isn't perverse.
 
And there's the other bind, only two parties with (today) diametrically opposing views save for a very few who will compromise, but again in the current climate, unless the Republicans bow to the orange Jesus they're ostracised or worse. Neither party as they stand will represent the population, only their own tribe. It needs at least another one maybe two more parties that drop in the middle.

 The average education level of America is low compared with other industrialised countries. Sure, there are some truly brilliant people, but the median nationally isn't high.
And it plays to the advantage of certain politicians, because an uneducated electorate is easy to manipulate, easy to convince. Certain candidates have taken it to a new level and advocated the banning of books in schools, because they're so insecure of their own value it scares them that a kid might read different opinions and arrive at their own rather than that of the bigot dictating what they read. And certain teachers in certain states are leaving, so the self fulfilling prophecy might realise sooner rather than later.

Such as the I think two dozen plus 'props' on the bill for this years election here. They're referendums. Our letterbox has been crammed with the mailing crap.

And if you don't think lying matters; let me remind you about what happened in 2016 in the UK. Boris Johnson, Micheal Gove, Nigel Farage and others pushed the myth that if the UK pulled out of the EU, then fluffy bunnies would skip in the meadows, fluffy clouds would rain liquid gold and Britain would gain respect throughout the world because they were free of the shackles of the EU..

We're in 2022, since then the UK is on it's FORTH PM, the mendacious Johnson long gone and still rich. But what of Brexit? Well, the economy is fucked, you think the inflation in the US is poor, it has a rate that right now the UK would dream of having. And NOT ONE politician that advocated Brexit has even acknowledged that the issues that were predicted by the remainers (and came to pass) have anything to do with Brexit! Delusion isn't even close.

There's a real possibility that the UK will tank it's currency, I don't mean drop to parity with the dollar but really tank. And it could have been avoided, but the liars won. It's what they wanted but they're too cowardly to own it. They essentially forced the deportation of EU citizens who until Brexit had freedom of movement to work and live..Now they've gone, the hospitality industry has no staff to make the beds in hotels, Fruit growers have no-one to help with the harvest. Farmers cannot sell their stock anyway because the paperwork they didn't need in the EU they now do, and so don't have the freedom of transit, miles and miles of trucks at the ports as they wait for custom clearance, supermarket shelves not close to how they were when I left the UK..And it will only get worse. All because of a lie.

I enjoyed this so much I'm not even going to point out the spelling mistakes or use of the grocer's apostrophe, but see me in my office for a private spanking and we'll say no more about it.

However, I honestly don't see how you regard the two parties as having diametrically opposing views - they look more or less the same to me, the differences are mostly top-dressing. Most American politicians are far wealthier than their equivalents in the UK, even the low-ranking ones, and their views are consistent with very well-off people who don't want to rock the boat. The usual rabble go on about the 'radical left' but in reality it's a handful of very mild-mannered social democrats they are talking about, who don't want to change the system at all, merely leave it in place and smooth off a few of the rougher edges.

Americans must be the most mentally lazy, incorrigibly incurious bunch of cunts on the planet. Most of them stopped learning anything new the moment they left school. Political debate is now just a series of grunts: 'trans-gender', 'CRT', 'radical left' etc, and they rely on the average gum-chewing, slack-jawed Yank, with what's left of its brain destroyed by television, to go along with the nonsense they spout.

The people who were responsible for Brexit now put on this weary face when you bring up the subject, as though it's old news now and nobody wants to talk about it any more, never mind the fact that they have totally fucked everything up for at least a generation. That's right, opt out of the largest trading bloc in the world without a clue what you are going to put in its place, what a marvellous idea. But at least we've got blue passports now and we have 'taken back control' whatever the fuck that even meant.

My energy bill went up 50% this month, it's fucking unbelievable, and those transatlantic pig-pukes just keep going on about the price of gas, which is measly compared to the UK anyway. What a bunch of whiney gobshites!

It's my understanding that you can have pints in pubs again.  There's that.