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Quote from: WOTR on October 30, 2022, 07:48:47 PMAs I well know? I was on a board that was around 90% left and I was a young, right leaning poster. I can tell you that both the left and the right were calling for turning the desert into a sheet of glass. And no- the left was no "kinder" or more understanding or anti-war than the Bushites. It's a good thing that I kind of enjoy arguing- because on that board of a few hundred active posters there were probably only 5 or 10 of us who were saying it should not happen. Yes- the right may have called them "ragheads" but the left was no better cheering the invasion and wanting "them" dead. (Much kinder and more PC wishing "them" dead and not using a term like raghead.)

Now, perhaps it was just a very war happy forum. Perhaps they didn't really represent the general population. Possibly all of the leftists were firmly against the war. But not that I had seen.

If you go on forums like 'ILoveGerbils.com' you're going to find some fairly shady specimens, so I don't think your experience is at all representative.

Quote from: WOTR on October 30, 2022, 07:40:47 PMYou are correct. In your screwed up system of government (and mine) the prime minister is elected dictator. There are whips to keep people in line, caucus positions and expulsion from the party if they dare to vote against what they are told by the PMO. The US is flawed, but they don't suffer this issues. Individuals regularly ignore what the party says and vote how their biggest donors electorate tell them to.

Somebody should probably tell the conscripts this and question why they have banned males from 18 (16?) - 60 from leaving the Ukraine if they don't have any military experience. You may even recall some idiot youtubers who went over thinking that they could LARP and join the Ukraine forces while virtue signalling.

The sad fact of the matter is that nations at war are always on the lookout for cannon fodder. And as the trained, professional soldiers dwindle- every nation will look for replacements wherever they can find them. No- the west will not be sending your kids to Russia. (I assume they are saving them for a sacrifice to China.)

What about when China invades Taiwan? Are you already lining up the arguments to support that war as well?

If you are the country being invaded then it's all hands to the pumps, obviously. I'm not sure what sort of point you think you're making, if you even have one at all. We had the then Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss, telling people that  the Government would support anyone going to Ukraine to fight the Russians, until she was told to STFU by the Defence Secretary, who told anyone who wanted to fight to just join the army if they were that keen on it.

An elected dictatorship is an oxymoron. If you don't like the job they are doing then you can vote them out at the next election. You can also make enough noise during their time in office so that they understand that they will get voted out if they don't reflect the mood of the country. That's how it should work and I can't think of any other system that would be workable.

I answered your question, now you answer mine. Are there any circumstances in which you would accept that war is justified? It's not even war in your case, of course, because you are against even a stiff letter to Putin in case he frowns at you and gets you all upset. We've got to accept that it might be inevitable that we are going to come to blows with China eventually because it's the only way to avoid a total catastrophe where rogue nations can just attack whoever they want with impunity.

It's pretty generally accepted that we could have kept Hitler in his box during the 'thirties if the Americans and Roosevelt had been more aggressive about telling him to stop being a dick. Unfortunately the Americans were more interested in staying out of things, which only ended up making things ten times worse than anyone.

Just what kind of world can  you expect when you roll over for every dictator that glares at you? You seem to assume that if you don't make them mad then they will take it out on somebody else rather than you.

Quote from: pate on October 30, 2022, 01:05:44 PMDue to my inability to verstehen your pidgin-Anglish:  I understood this to read that "theythe hobo elitits" you are referring to are the Russians?

Nautical Shore.

Also:



-p

There might have been a few danglers in there, but I'm English so whatever I write is automatically correct. So fuck off!

Quote from: WOTR on October 31, 2022, 02:51:09 AMJust so that I know what to expect... When China invades Taiwan, can I look forward to these same arguments? Don't get me wrong- I hope like hell that they can repel Xi's army. I just don't know that entering that war will be a great idea either (particularly when we are already a little preoccupied standing with the Ukraine.)

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 31, 2022, 01:47:06 AMI am perfectly aware of Pootie's case for war which you have helpfully regurgitated here from his ass where you got it, I do not accept a single fucking word of it, Russia under Putin is an old-school imperialist land-grabbing state, see Georgia and Chechnya.  Bullshit provocations, blame the smaller weaker country, never Russia's fault, so boring, so predictable.

But I don't care, even if all of it were true, people facing hundreds of tanks coming across their borders are allowed to fight back.  They don't want to be Russia.  They want to join the civilized West and have rainbow flags and drag queen story time 🥳

I know that it's highly likely that MD is just the basement dwelling, compulsively masturbating bore that we always imagined him to be, but I sometimes think that there is a small chance that he's actually one of these operatives who spend their sad little lives banging out Russian propaganda on web forums for their masters in the Kremlin. He's totally lockstep with everything Putin says. He's just love to be the sloppy meat in a Trump-Putin sandwich.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 31, 2022, 07:34:36 AMI know that it's highly likely that MD is just the basement dwelling, compulsively masturbating bore that we always imagined him to be, but I sometimes think that there is a small chance that he's actually one of these operatives who spend their sad little lives banging out Russian propaganda on web forums for their masters in the Kremlin. He's totally lockstep with everything Putin says. He's just love to be the sloppy meat in a Trump-Putin sandwich.

We all know where your propaganda comes from. The rankest cunts in history:

Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 31, 2022, 07:22:56 AMIf you are the country being invaded then it's all hands to the pumps, obviously. I'm not sure what sort of point you think you're making, if you even have one at all. We had the then Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss, telling people that  the Government would support anyone going to Ukraine to fight the Russians, until she was told to STFU by the Defence Secretary, who told anyone who wanted to fight to just join the army if they were that keen on it.

An elected dictatorship is an oxymoron. If you don't like the job they are doing then you can vote them out at the next election. You can also make enough noise during their time in office so that they understand that they will get voted out if they don't reflect the mood of the country. That's how it should work and I can't think of any other system that would be workable.

I answered your question, now you answer mine. Are there any circumstances in which you would accept that war is justified? It's not even war in your case, of course, because you are against even a stiff letter to Putin in case he frowns at you and gets you all upset. We've got to accept that it might be inevitable that we are going to come to blows with China eventually because it's the only way to avoid a total catastrophe where rogue nations can just attack whoever they want with impunity.

It's pretty generally accepted that we could have kept Hitler in his box during the 'thirties if the Americans and Roosevelt had been more aggressive about telling him to stop being a dick. Unfortunately the Americans were more interested in staying out of things, which only ended up making things ten times worse than anyone.

Just what kind of world can  you expect when you roll over for every dictator that glares at you? You seem to assume that if you don't make them mad then they will take it out on somebody else rather than you.

What if Hitler had lots of nukes?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 31, 2022, 08:34:37 AMWe all know where your propaganda comes from. The rankest cunts in history:

That probably sounded better in the original Russian.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 31, 2022, 08:37:39 AMWhat if Hitler had lots of nukes?

Then we'd be even more stupid to just let the cunt have his own way, wouldn't we?

Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 31, 2022, 08:49:45 AMThen we'd be even more stupid to just let the cunt have his own way, wouldn't we?

Worth sacrificing the whole world then?

Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 31, 2022, 08:49:08 AMThat probably sounded better in the original Russian.

I know the truth hurts you. I like that.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 31, 2022, 08:59:30 AMWorth sacrificing the whole world then?

Anything worth living for is worth dying for. You're just a coward who doesn't deserve to live.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 31, 2022, 07:22:56 AM...
An elected dictatorship is an oxymoron. If you don't like the job they are doing then you can vote them out at the next election. You can also make enough noise during their time in office so that they understand that they will get voted out if they don't reflect the mood of the country....

Instead of invoking Godwin's Law for the ummteenth time (which is an interesting case of 'elected dictatorship' in itself, re: Hortler) which might be construed as facile in the double-edged French sense.

I will instead share a vidya of a newly elected dictator "KamPaining" for his subsequent unanimous Presidential elections:


I think Stalin was also "elected" although he may have had a fellow Communist Straw-man candy-date that he ran against & later purged, Nautical Shore?

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Quote from: pate on October 31, 2022, 09:57:31 AMInstead of invoking Godwin's Law for the ummteenth time (which is an interesting case of 'elected dictatorship' in itself, re: Hortler) which might be construed as facile in the double-edged French sense.

I will instead share a vidya of a newly elected dictator "KamPaining" for his subsequent unanimous Presidential elections:

I think Stalin was also "elected" although he may have had a fellow Communist Straw-man candy-date that he ran against & later purged, Nautical Shore?

-p

Another Russian stooge. All the Stoli you can get down your neck persuaded you to sell out your country? You Benedict Arnold.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 31, 2022, 07:22:56 AMIt's pretty generally accepted that we could have kept Hitler in his box during the 'thirties if the Americans and Roosevelt had been more aggressive about telling him to stop being a dick. Unfortunately the Americans were more interested in staying out of things, which only ended up making things ten times worse than anyone.

I explained to you before, it is because a good portion of this country saw Britain as the enemy and could not tell the difference between Hitler's land-grabbing in Europe and what you guys had been doing for hundreds of years around the world.  Because there is none.

Only when Roosevelt extracted the Atlantic Charter from Churchill which guaranteed the post-world order would be based on self-determination for everyone including the peoples in bondage to your Empire was American assistance palatable to most folks here.

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 31, 2022, 10:24:46 AMI explained to you before, it is because a good portion of this country saw Britain as the enemy and could not tell the difference between Hitler's land-grabbing in Europe and what you guys had been doing for hundreds of years around the world.  Because there is none.

Only when Roosevelt extracted the Atlantic Charter from Churchill which guaranteed the post-world order would be based on self-determination for everyone including the peoples in bondage to your Empire was American assistance palatable to most folks here.

Nonsense. You're just insular and didn't want to get involved until the Japs smoked you out.

Quote from: WOTR on October 31, 2022, 02:51:09 AMJust so that I know what to expect... When China invades Taiwan, can I look forward to these same arguments? Don't get me wrong- I hope like hell that they can repel Xi's army. I just don't know that entering that war will be a great idea either (particularly when we are already a little preoccupied standing with the Ukraine.)

Having seen our resolve with Ukraine China is far less likely to invade Taiwan than they were before.  We underscored the point by sending Nancy Pelosi to glare menacingly at them across the Strait of Formosa.  I am sorry that most of you will not recognize the flex here because you hate her so much, but the Chinese certainly do.



"We never give in to autocrats."

Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 31, 2022, 10:35:03 AMNonsense. You're just insular and didn't want to get involved until the Japs smoked you out.

No, we drive a hard bargain.  Churchill signed away the Empire for some old destroyers, if I remember correctly, because Roosevelt had him over a barrel and anyway like a typical lying Englisher he didn't think he'd have to keep that promise.  But we made him do it.

For the rest of the world, the defeat of the British Empire by Roosevelt is far more significant than what we did in Europe.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 31, 2022, 10:17:41 AMAnother Russian stooge. All the Stoli you can get down your neck persuaded you to sell out your country? You Benedict Arnold.

Why this "Rooshian Spluuge" response strikes me as Dadaesque, I am Nautical Shore?

It could be the Double-D in "MD-MD," as you have effectively called me a "Communist faggot" then literarily thrown me from the roof:  as is common with you village idiot Pakis & related Allah-who Ackbar types.

I hope K_Dubb is Attending and appreciates the gravity of this little hypocritical triggering you have exhibitionisted.

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ediot:  You hate me because you want to Digitally Rape me.

Quote from: pate on October 31, 2022, 10:49:38 AMI hope K_Dubb is Attending and appreciates the gravity of this little hypocritical triggering you have exhibitionisted.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on October 31, 2022, 09:23:20 AMAnything worth living for is worth dying for. You're just a coward who doesn't deserve to live.

Oh yeah? Come here and say that. 

I won't hold my breath. Like I said before Britain should fight this war themselves. Oh, that's right...Putin would squish you like a bug without our help. You really are pathetic. 🙄

They are running the blockade 👀



Ukraine ships out record tonnage of grain despite Russia spurning scheme

QuoteA large convoy of ships carrying grain set sail from Odesa on Monday despite Russia pulling out of the UN-brokered deal – designed to stave off a global hunger crisis – in retaliation for a drone attack on warships based in the Black Sea port of Sevastopol."]A large convoy of ships carrying grain set sail from Odesa on Monday despite Russia pulling out of the UN-brokered deal – designed to stave off a global hunger crisis – in retaliation for a drone attack on warships based in the Black Sea port of Sevastopol.

Because all that war-is-starving-kids-in-Africa stuff was bullshit Russian propaganda, they don't give a fuck, as was apparent to anyone not hopped up on Jimmy Bore West-is-the-bad-guy videos.

Biden lost temper with Zelenskyy in June phone call when Ukrainian leader asked for more aid

QuoteBut a phone call between the two leaders in June played out differently from previous ones, according to four people familiar with the call. Biden had barely finished telling Zelenskyy he'd just greenlighted another $1 billion in U.S. military assistance for Ukraine when Zelenskyy started listing all the additional help he needed and wasn't getting. Biden lost his temper, the people familiar with the call said. The American people were being quite generous, and his administration and the U.S. military were working hard to help Ukraine, he said, raising his voice, and Zelenskyy could show a little more gratitude.

Hehehe 

https://twitter.com/gyrfalc63587709/status/1587130010590216200

Probably piloted by drag queens, too, reading stories to Russian children

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 31, 2022, 01:15:26 PMBiden lost temper with Zelenskyy in June phone call when Ukrainian leader asked for more aid

Hehehe 

Yeah, you don't wanna upset the big guy if you want to keep the corrupt gravytrain going. Biden's probably moved the contents and "employees" of Epstien Island there to compliment his child trafficking ring. Gotta sniff that hair!

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 31, 2022, 01:06:21 PMThey are running the blockade 👀



Ukraine ships out record tonnage of grain despite Russia spurning scheme

Because all that war-is-starving-kids-in-Africa stuff was bullshit Russian propaganda, they don't give a fuck, as was apparent to anyone not hopped up on Jimmy Bore West-is-the-bad-guy videos.

Let's go, let's go!

World WAR 3!!!



Yay, World War!

*Note the cheerleader is just a nuclear shadow for demonstration.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 31, 2022, 01:21:54 PMYeah, you don't wanna upset the big guy if you want to keep the corrupt gravytrain going. Biden's probably moved the contents and "employees" of Epstien Island there to compliment his child trafficking ring. Gotta sniff that hair!

I don't think Biden is that rich, is he?  I think he released his tax returns.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 31, 2022, 01:30:06 PMLet's go, let's go!

World WAR 3!!!



Yay, World War!

*Note the cheerleader is just a nuclear shadow for demonstration.

Poo Tin embarrassed again oh no 🥺

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 31, 2022, 01:06:21 PMThey are running the blockade 👀



Ukraine ships out record tonnage of grain despite Russia spurning scheme

Because all that war-is-starving-kids-in-Africa stuff was bullshit Russian propaganda, they don't give a fuck, as was apparent to anyone not hopped up on Jimmy Bore West-is-the-bad-guy videos.

Here's the thing: The West is currently being run by bad guys (globalist billionaires) so, of course, they are the bad guys. I believe the other 99% of the population are starting to agree now and would like something done about it.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 31, 2022, 01:21:54 PMYeah, you don't wanna upset the big guy if you want to keep the corrupt gravytrain going. Biden's probably moved the contents and "employees" of Epstien Island there to compliment his child trafficking ring. Gotta sniff that hair!

I don't think Biden is that rich, is he?  Didn't he release his taxes?

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 31, 2022, 01:35:10 PMI don't think Biden is that rich, is he?  Didn't he release his taxes?

So naive! No wonder you believe Antifa are the good guys. It would be adorable if it weren't so pathetic.