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Quote from: WOTR on October 23, 2022, 02:34:22 PMAt one point in time, that was called "reporting" and a thing that actual journalists engaged in. You know- exposing the corruption they now partake in, reporting on war crimes that they now cover up, printing the truth about the politicians they now take bribes / grants from?

You are aware that the CIA had a plan to kidnap and kill him, right? The same government whose boots you appear to lick were going to stomp on his neck.

It's amusing. Have the news outlet that you frequent (the BBC, perhaps?) bothered to mention that two weeks ago the European Parliment put him on the short list for the  Sakharov Prize? And you are cheering his imprisonment. I'm guessing you were a fan of locking the criminal Mandela away as well because he was "disagreeable."

What does the European parliament have to say? "As one of the co-founders of the WikiLeaks association, Assange provided world-leading newspapers with documents concerning war crimes, arbitrary detentions, human rights violations and torture. He has been held in prison in the UK and is currently facing extradition to the United States to stand trial on charges of espionage and computer misuse." Funny those same "world leading newspapers" are now acting as a propaganda arm to convict him.

But I suppose it would be better if those things were not reported on...

He was going to be extradicted when drump was in the WH. And it's fair to say my opinion of him is well recorded, not so much ass kissing, natch.

If Assange is an innocent lamb, then so is Bradley/Chelsea Manning and Snowden. But it's unlikely the trumpers would sympathise with Manning, because hey, he is now a she and that really screws up their version of Utopia.

Presumably releasing secrets is okay? Including outing operatives, those in deep cover and foreign agents still working in respective adversarial countries, who, if outed would face certain torture and death as well as their families.

I was dead against the Iraq war masquarading as a 'war on trrrerr' it had fuck all to do with the true perps of 9/11. Since then SA has been quite open about it's contempt for anyone who questions their involvement. All Western governments up to and including today have fawned the filth they are. Trump recently said (after his golf tour deal with SA) that they may never find who was behind 9/11.. really?

Oil is the reason for the fawning and SA really doesn't want solar powered energy.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 23, 2022, 03:43:14 PMHe was going to be extradicted when drump was in the WH. And it's fair to say my opinion of him is well recorded, not so much ass kissing, natch.

If Assange is an innocent lamb, then so is Bradley/Chelsea Manning and Snowden. But it's unlikely the trumpers would sympathise with Manning, because hey, he is now a she and that really screws up their version of Utopia.

Presumably releasing secrets is okay? Including outing operatives, those in deep cover and foreign agents still working in respective adversarial countries, who, if outed would face certain torture and death as well as their families.

I was dead against the Iraq war masquarading as a 'war on trrrerr' it had fuck all to do with the true perps of 9/11. Since then SA has been quite open about it's contempt for anyone who questions their involvement. All Western governments up to and including today have fawned the filth they are. Trump recently said (after his golf tour deal with SA) that they may never find who was behind 9/11.. really?

Oil is the reason for the fawning and SA really doesn't want solar powered energy.

I agree. All three are heroes of the information age. Salute.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 23, 2022, 04:39:39 PMI agree. All three are heroes of the information age. Salute.

I'm confused now.

Quote from: aldousburbank on October 23, 2022, 06:33:47 PMI'm confused now.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 23, 2022, 03:43:14 PMIf Assange is an innocent lamb, then so is Bradley/Chelsea Manning and Snowden. But it's unlikely the trumpers would sympathise with Manning, because hey, he is now a she and that really screws up their version of Utopia.

Presumably releasing secrets is okay? Including outing operatives, those in deep cover and foreign agents still working in respective adversarial countries, who, if outed would face certain torture and death as well as their families.

Not only are they "innocent." But all three are heroes. And that includes Chelsea. And I will add Glenn Greenwald for breaking the Snowden story and Laura Portrais for travelling and documenting it.

Being as you appear to be very concerned about the deep state operatives, can you please do a quick list of the top 10 British / American / Canadians killed and tortured as a result of Wikileaks reporting. I'll get you started.*

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*Are you equally concerned about the interpreters and individuals who were cooperating with "us" who we left behind in Afghanistan... Funny where you focus your outrage.

Quote from: WOTR on October 23, 2022, 09:04:39 PMFunny where you focus your outrage.

I know write?

Quote from: WOTR on October 23, 2022, 09:04:39 PMNot only are they "innocent." But all three are heroes. And that includes Chelsea. And I will add Glenn Greenwald for breaking the Snowden story and Laura Portrais for travelling and documenting it.

Being as you appear to be very concerned about the deep state operatives, can you please do a quick list of the top 10 British / American / Canadians killed and tortured as a result of Wikileaks reporting. I'll get you started.*

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*Are you equally concerned about the interpreters and individuals who were cooperating with "us" who we left behind in Afghanistan... Funny where you focus your outrage.

Yes, I think it disgusting the interpreters were left hanging out to dry. (Oddly when drump was in the WH I said the same, but met with 'well, they knew the risks, we don't want them in the US' , on this forum! As well as local agents working for NATO (So no need to be so sanctimonious). I also thought it revolting how drump told the then Russian foreign sec and Ambassador about an embedded Israeli agent working inside Syria. As well as releasing satelite photos of an Iranian missile site. Who knows who has seen and read the stuff he took to his golf clubs.

You have no idea how many agents have been killed, or their families. Nor will you, and even one is too many. Deep State bollox, it's all fair game eh as long as an idiotic conspiracy theory has legs. 

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 24, 2022, 07:44:01 PMYes, I think it disgusting the interpreters were left hanging out to dry. (Oddly when drump was in the WH I said the same, but met with 'well, they knew the risks, we don't want them in the US' , on this forum! As well as local agents working for NATO (So no need to be so sanctimonious). I also thought it revolting how drump told the then Russian foreign sec and Ambassador about an embedded Israeli agent working inside Syria. As well as releasing satelite photos of an Iranian missile site. Who knows who has seen and read the stuff he took to his golf clubs.

You have no idea how many agents have been killed, or their families. Nor will you, and even one is too many. Deep State bollox, it's all fair game eh as long as an idiotic conspiracy theory has legs. 

So because we don't know an never will is your reason why no whistleblowing should be tolerated?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 24, 2022, 07:57:27 PMSo because we don't know an never will is your reason why no whistleblowing should be tolerated?

Depends what whistle they're blowing..

I seem to remember a certain Lt Col Vindman who because he gave (under oath) evidence at drump's 2nd Impeachment (basically drump blackmailing Zelinsky) was treated as a traitor by the trumpers and GOP.. can't upset the babykins donny, can we?

I suppose you thought the same.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 24, 2022, 08:22:45 PMDepends what whistle they're blowing..

I seem to remember a certain Lt Col Vindman who because he gave (under oath) evidence at drump's 2nd Impeachment (basically drump blackmailing Zelinsky) was treated as a traitor by the trumpers and GOP.. can't upset the babykins donny, can we?

I suppose you thought the same.

But the other real ones? 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 24, 2022, 08:32:45 PMBut the other real ones? 

They released unsolicited classified documents. Arbitarily decided they were the arbitor of what and wasn't public knowledge.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 24, 2022, 09:05:22 PMThey released unsolicited classified documents. Arbitarily decided they were the arbitor of what and wasn't public knowledge.

So, only officially sanctioned whistleblowing then? 

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 24, 2022, 07:44:01 PMYes, I think it disgusting the interpreters were left hanging out to dry. (Oddly when drump was in the WH I said the same, but met with 'well, they knew the risks, we don't want them in the US' , on this forum! As well as local agents working for NATO (So no need to be so sanctimonious). I also thought it revolting how drump told the then Russian foreign sec and Ambassador about an embedded Israeli agent working inside Syria. As well as releasing satelite photos of an Iranian missile site. Who knows who has seen and read the stuff he took to his golf clubs.

You have no idea how many agents have been killed, or their families. Nor will you, and even one is too many. Deep State bollox, it's all fair game eh as long as an idiotic conspiracy theory has legs. 

You don't think that if there were a clear link between the death of a diplomat and Assange that they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops? You think that they would cover it up because it might make Wikileaks look bad?

As for "worth one death." Yes- it would be. Giving evidence of war crimes might come with a cost. I would prefer it did not- but what was released was pretty amazing (and I don't mean the list of the top 100 British operatives working deep undercover in the Iraqi ministry of defense.)

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 24, 2022, 09:20:12 PMSo, only officially sanctioned whistleblowing then? 

I think that whistle blowing is out all together. It is too embarrassing. How is an editor of the Washington post supposed to judge if the information is harmless enough to release?

I believe the idea is that the government will tell us everything that we need to know. And the information that is with held is only kept secret because it is better for us (and not for them) that it remain secret.

Of course if there is something advantageous for them to release unofficially, then the government itself should leak it to the media outlets.