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Quote from: albrecht on August 06, 2022, 05:18:19 PMI don't think many juries are in reality of of 'peers.' In the rare cases things get to a jury (most plea out, arbitration, or in many circumstances no jury by law- bankruptcy, taxes, administrative courts, etc.) Also the confabulated jurisdiction (Federal-wise) putting cases into venues not even potentially friendly or unbiased. Works both, or many, ways though. At least for lawyers and the general 'system.' Why certain suits suspiciously find them filed in certain places or even gaming judge assignment schedules. Bring back holmgang. Gentlemen used to defend honor by a duel. Whatever happened to private prosecution for criminal cases, I think technically, maybe still legal in some places? In that I mean instead of prosecuting in interest of State or Crown but on behalf of victim.

We still have private prosecution in WA!  I forget the outcome but there was a case in the news where some policeman shot somebody's dog.

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 07, 2022, 11:46:38 AMWe still have private prosecution in WA!  I forget the outcome but there was a case in the news where some policeman shot somebody's dog.

Criminal private prosecution or just the usual tort/civil law remedies? Cops often (until recently) been protected by sovereign immunity and usually the taxpayer ends up eating the costs of their bad actions when sued. How does the system handle the punishment phase in a private CRIMINAL prosecution? In extreme theory, one could imagine a sentence the offender to some kind of personal penalty to victim, like servitude more directly, and not violate XIII although this might be controversial. We see judges, sometimes, use unique styles of punishment for, usually, minor crimes or to make a point out of juvenile delinquents or bad parents. Be interesting to see remedies personal to the victims versus the taxpayer just paying $ to send dirtbags to prison and since many a criminal have no real assets for which to pay financial recompense. So maybe make them forced labor in some capacity to the victims.

Quote from: albrecht on August 07, 2022, 12:57:41 PMCriminal private prosecution or just the usual tort/civil law remedies? Cops often (until recently) been protected by sovereign immunity and usually the taxpayer ends up eating the costs of their bad actions when sued. How does the system handle the punishment phase in a private CRIMINAL prosecution? In extreme theory, one could imagine a sentence the offender to some kind of personal penalty to victim, like servitude more directly, and not violate XIII although this might be controversial. We see judges, sometimes, use unique styles of punishment for, usually, minor crimes or to make a point out of juvenile delinquents or bad parents. Be interesting to see remedies personal to the victims versus the taxpayer just paying $ to send dirtbags to prison and since many a criminal have no real assets for which to pay financial recompense. So maybe make them forced labor in some capacity to the victims.

Actual, criminal prosecution!  I do agree, creative sentencing needs to come back but, theoretically once a conviction is obtained, it would just proceed in the usual manner with jail/fines etc. as the criminal debt is owed to society in general.

Here, I  remembered wrong, the policemen didn't shoot a dog but electrocuted a calf.

QuoteFor animal rights attorney Adam Karp, citizen prosecutions are one of the few legal tools available to him in many instances of animal abuse. Karp, a well-regarded Bellingham attorney and national leader on animal law, regularly files citizen criminal complaints in an effort to launch prosecutions.

In his area of legal practice, Karp said, citizen prosecutions solve a problem in the law. Generally, the only person who can bring a civil claim after an animal is abused is the animal's owner, because, under law, they are the party that has been harmed. When the abuser is the animal's owner, or when the owner is disinclined to respond to the abuse, there's little legal recourse available other than citizen prosecutions.

"It allows cases that would otherwise fall through the cracks, due to prosecutors being overloaded or prosecutors being biased," Karp said. While he is not aware of any, he said "there could certainly be cases where there's political corruption or some type of misguided evaluation that leaves victims unredeemed, unvalidated."

Karp guesses he's filed about 10 citizen complaints, none of which has resulted in charges being filed.

https://crosscut.com/news/2021/09/how-washington-courts-allow-private-prosecutions

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 07, 2022, 01:14:30 PMActual, criminal prosecution!  I do agree, creative sentencing needs to come back but, theoretically once a conviction is obtained, it would just proceed in the usual manner with jail/fines etc. as the criminal debt is owed to society in general.

Here, I  remembered wrong, the policemen didn't shoot a dog but electrocuted a calf.

https://crosscut.com/news/2021/09/how-washington-courts-allow-private-prosecutions

Takk for the article. Spocompton always has interesting stories and situations! Though being gentrified as folks flee from coastal areas they still have the best C2C callers and weird criminal and political situations. The people who show up to the gunshows are epic.
Back in the day one could be a lawyer without even having an undergraduate degree and in some states just 'reading the law' (usually under tutelage of another lawyer or firm) or even if you just passed the Bar examine one could practice. I had a relative who got his JD prior to his undergraduate, which seems bizarre today. The Bar and/or States have eliminated this though I'm not sure it was a wise decision. They argue competence for clients but one could argue it is just protecting their racket....

Quote from: albrecht on August 07, 2022, 01:31:00 PMTakk for the article. Spocompton always has interesting stories and situations! Though being gentrified as folks flee from coastal areas they still have the best C2C callers and weird criminal and political situations. The people who show up to the gunshows are epic.
Back in the day one could be a lawyer without even having an undergraduate degree and in some states just 'reading the law' (usually under tutelage of another lawyer or firm) or even if you just passed the Bar examine one could practice. I had a relative who got his JD prior to his undergraduate, which seems bizarre today. The Bar and/or States have eliminated this though I'm not sure it was a wise decision. They argue competence for clients but one could argue it is just protecting their racket....

Yes very close to N. Idaho, very much a culture-war hot zone like Whidbey Island, liberal Seattle retirees and rich folks with vacation homes up against descendants of the first white settlers.  Driving up the highway there are signs everywhere for both sides, BLM right across from Trump but they took the Trump down now for some local candidate.  And at the farmers' market yesterday, regular heavy folks lining up for some old lady's blackberry pies while the geriatric knock-kneed leftists in khaki shorts and sun hats to protect their bald spots line up for organic radish microgreens haha I had to wait in the lefty line because the organic co-op was the only place with tomatoes and of course they were all lumpy and different colors but taste good.

I had assumed but didn't look up that the Texas thing (reported in the media as where you can "collect a bounty") enforcing the new abortion law was based on the same kind of private-prosecution, or some other frontier-justice thing?

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 07, 2022, 01:48:20 PMYes very close to N. Idaho, very much a culture-war hot zone like Whidbey Island, liberal Seattle retirees and rich folks with vacation homes up against descendants of the first white settlers.  Driving up the highway there are signs everywhere for both sides, BLM right across from Trump but they took the Trump down now for some local candidate.  And at the farmers' market yesterday, regular heavy folks lining up for some old lady's blackberry pies while the geriatric knock-kneed leftists in khaki shorts and sun hats to protect their bald spots line up for organic radish microgreens haha I had to wait in the lefty line because the organic co-op was the only place with tomatoes and of course they were all lumpy and different colors but taste good.

I had assumed but didn't look up that the Texas thing (reported in the media as where you can "collect a bounty") enforcing the new abortion law was based on the same kind of private-prosecution, or some other frontier-justice thing?

I honestly haven't actually read the law but have heard the NPR-type wringing hands over the so-called bounty provisions of the law. I'm not sure how (or if) it works but, apparently, the gal that gets the abortion is not punished but the 'do-ers' or helpers and it is some kind of civil fine as the bounty. I guess analogous to how in California (I recall) one can sue on behalf of a tree/animal/etc where in most places one would not have standing since you are not the actual party/victim/complainant but with a bounty? Idk how this actually works or if it will. I think it crazy to codify everything and base laws on extreme, outlier examples and can even appreciate the motivation of Sanger and the abortionist types, not to say I endorse it but understand in a historical context which is why I laugh at Hollywood and the NPR types, especially minorities, who pine for more abortions and place PP always in poor/ethnic neighborhoods!

I like frontier justice but, obviously, it can lead to some situations that modern society frowns upon.
Developing and funny story in West Texas. Note penalties for cattle rustling or unlawful cattle killing likely worse than crimes against people in places like NYC or California!

https://www.ksat.com/news/national/2022/05/23/rural-texas-official-arrested-charged-with-stealing-cattle/

Quote from: albrecht on August 07, 2022, 02:13:41 PMI honestly haven't actually read the law but have heard the NPR-type wringing hands over the so-called bounty provisions of the law. I'm not sure how (or if) it works but, apparently, the gal that gets the abortion is not punished but the 'do-ers' or helpers and it is some kind of civil fine as the bounty. I guess analogous to how in California (I recall) one can sue on behalf of a tree/animal/etc where in most places one would not have standing since you are not the actual party/victim/complainant but with a bounty? Idk how this actually works or if it will. I think it crazy to codify everything and base laws on extreme, outlier examples and can even appreciate the motivation of Sanger and the abortionist types, not to say I endorse it but understand in a historical context which is why I laugh at Hollywood and the NPR types, especially minorities, who pine for more abortions and place PP always in poor/ethnic neighborhoods!

I like frontier justice but, obviously, it can lead to some situations that modern society frowns upon.
Developing and funny story in West Texas. Note penalties for cattle rustling or unlawful cattle killing likely worse than crimes against people in places like NYC or California!

https://www.ksat.com/news/national/2022/05/23/rural-texas-official-arrested-charged-with-stealing-cattle/

Heehee I hope they sent out a posse!  And a judge, too 🤦

I think the abortion thing is horrible, leave people alone, it is nearly always a personal tragedy.  You don't have to make laws for everything you don't like.  Lefty people see it on a societal level, how having a kid as an ill-considered oops holds women (and men who have to pay for it) back forever, my mom I know thinks of it in very personal terms, it's not random poor folks but if I get ridiculously drunk and knock up some fertile Myrtle she wants that grandkid by hook or by crook haha

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 07, 2022, 11:45:14 AMWho told you the court was corrupt?  Alex Jones?  Shocking!  Some other fat ranter?  Because in your comic-book world villains say Welp boys you got me, I guess.

Go watch the video where he perjures himself.  He looks like what he is, a fat kid stealing cookies.  It's one thing when you can get all mad and ragey with your chuckling sidekick and your gut hidden behind a desk but put these guys under oath and cross-examination with their bellies hanging out on the stand and they turn into whimpering little bitches.  We love to see it  🥳

How do you really feel, commie? 🙄

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 07, 2022, 03:16:12 PMHeehee I hope they sent out a posse!  And a judge, too 🤦

I think the abortion thing is horrible, leave people alone, it is nearly always a personal tragedy.  You don't have to make laws for everything you don't like.  Lefty people see it on a societal level, how having a kid as an ill-considered oops holds women (and men who have to pay for it) back forever, my mom I know thinks of it in very personal terms, it's not random poor folks but if I get ridiculously drunk and knock up some fertile Myrtle she wants that grandkid by hook or by crook haha

Too bad you'll never give her that. 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on August 07, 2022, 03:40:24 PMToo bad you'll never give her that. 

Sad trombones from Eeyore over here 🌧🐴 

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 07, 2022, 03:54:38 PMSad trombones from Eeyore over here 🌧🐴

You're Eeyore to your mom. 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on August 07, 2022, 03:40:24 PMToo bad you'll never give her that. 

I'm not sure of the actual biology or logistics but, apparently, anyone can be pregnant and have a baby- at least according to current administration theory, pronouncements, and policy. So there is hope, I guess? Unless aborted which also, apparently, is a right of every human regardless of sex or biological ability. Or something. It gets confusing.

Quote from: albrecht on August 07, 2022, 03:59:16 PMI'm not sure of the actual biology or logistics but, apparently, anyone can be pregnant and have a baby- at least according to current administration theory, pronouncements, and policy. So there is hope, I guess? Unless aborted which also, apparently, is a right of every human regardless of sex or biological ability. Or something. It gets confusing.

People like Dubb like it confusing for the other 90%+ of the population that aren't LGTBQ??.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on August 07, 2022, 03:58:15 PMYou're Eeyore to your mom. 

Maybe I should sire a child, had a couple close calls and every time I pass a drag qween story time I get this little sadness in my tummy 🤔

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 07, 2022, 04:05:17 PMMaybe I should sire a child, had a couple close calls and every time I pass a drag qween story time I get this little sadness in my tummy 🤔

Sure, go for it! The world obviously needs more scrawny, resentful communists.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on August 05, 2022, 09:46:45 PMRight. I forgot that he's the head of the Jews. What was I thinking?!

Know what guys? I fucking love this thread. Does that make me a bad person? Or does the fact that my autospell suggests ducking instead of fucking makes me think that means something mean something about me? IS THAT SO WRONG!!!???

I thought so.
Thanks guys. Nice talk.

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 07, 2022, 11:45:14 AMWho told you the court was corrupt?  Alex Jones?  Shocking!  Some other fat ranter?  Because in your comic-book world villains say Welp boys you got me, I guess.

Go watch the video where he perjures himself.  He looks like what he is, a fat kid stealing cookies.  It's one thing when you can get all mad and ragey with your chuckling sidekick and your gut hidden behind a desk but put these guys under oath and cross-examination with their bellies hanging out on the stand and they turn into whimpering little bitches.  We love to see it  🥳

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EsWsaqs99I

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on August 05, 2022, 04:59:25 PMcurious (for historical reasons) as to what the precise moment may have been when Jackstar went from a vaguely lovable forum gadfly to an aspiring cult leader

I've always aspired to leading myself. Now I can and do. I see something shiny, I start a cult about it and move on.

Quote from: K_Dubb on August 07, 2022, 11:45:14 AMHe looks like what he is, a fat kid stealing cookies. 

You look nothing like him.

Quote from: TheMan WhoFell ToEarth on August 06, 2022, 08:28:41 PMMeowmaid. The shoehorned love interest thing is always a sign of a dying show.

I really don't think that was her name—with me—before she started her own parallel & independent operation, but, sure.



Let's play pretend. I have won The Great Game. Shortly thereafter, I get banned from AzzGab (Interpol. Really. What a thrill.) And then last night I get on to the other thing with that one guy.

Quote from: Silphion on August 05, 2022, 08:07:44 PMRubini pushed him over the edge.

I'm levitating.



The only thing that makes me happier than being banned is being defamed. I didn't really want to be famous. Fortunately, I can count on all of you to keep my street cred right in the gutter.

I am the shark and it is I that all of you have jumped over. I'm not harassing any of you, am I? okay, good.

I still don't know what is happening, or happened, or is going to get to happen. I don't know who thought this was a great idea.

Is there an instruction manual? Or is that what I'm supposed to write? Help me out here. Alternately, I'd love to move on, as soon as I'm exonerated at trial.

Or maybe not. Honestly I have no idea who some of you are anymore; and I probably think that's the best thing of all, who ever I am.