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Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 29, 2021, 03:31:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFz6egliQes

Jesus he looks like William Shatner in that shot.  Come to think of it, I've never seen them in the same place at the same time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srByVrdmNXo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdpdTyOIc_Y

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 02, 2021, 04:14:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdpdTyOIc_Y

A movie review? . . . . . wtf

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on February 02, 2021, 04:32:04 PM
A movie review? . . . . . wtf

Was that George sNoory talking about movies & life in that vid?

I enjoy your vids, Doc, but that one was a little...uh...different.

SHANE!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATKkp7Bep3o

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2021, 02:46:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATKkp7Bep3o

Quote from: Asuka Langley on February 03, 2021, 02:54:46 PM

Two more days actually. At 1:30 the pillow dude says he is dropping the evidence on Friday:
https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1356716155608645638

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on February 03, 2021, 02:58:01 PM
Two more days actually. At 1:30 the pillow dude says he is dropping the evidence on Friday:
https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1356716155608645638

I think the Pillow Magnate was on C2C once some years ago. As I recall it was a rags-to-riches story. And good for him. And I hope he has the evidence but his behavior of late makes me wonder if some of that cash got in back into old ways, though I don't see any powder on the prominent mustache.

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2021, 03:30:32 PM
I think the Pillow Magnate was on C2C once some years ago. As I recall it was a rags-to-riches story. And good for him. And I hope he has the evidence but his behavior of late makes me wonder if some of that cash got in back into old ways, though I don't see any powder on the prominent mustache.

Yeah, that must be it. :

There’s all kinds of evidence of election fraud but the powers that be have decreed that there isn’t because they refuse to look at it. See how that works? If they can’t see it it isn’t there and even seemingly intelligent people like you end up playing along because it’s easier than standing up to the behemoth. 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
Yeah, that must be it. :

There’s all kinds of evidence of election fraud but the powers that be have decreed that there isn’t because they refuse to look at it. See how that works? If they can’t see it it isn’t there and even seemingly intelligent people like you end up playing along because it’s easier than standing up to the behemoth.

I'll state that there was fraud. I don't know how much or if it threw the Presidential election. I think fraud is more likely and profitable on local levels, like for bond issues and places that won't get as much attention but profit people. But many of the presentations of such come off looking unhinged. And wells are poisoned because they believe every conspiracy and so the non-initiated, so to say, think: 'nutjob.'  And I will give Trump some credit, despite my early misgivings about his former politics, relationships, Hollywood and NYC connections, etc, that no other President- at least in my memory- had so many things against him. And then the Corona-Chan as a kill shot, euphemistically.

But one would think that clever overlords would be more effective with voter fraud. Think of Vegas electronic gaming. You use algorithms to make things close but enough reward to encourage playing and link the systems, even though by law you can comply with returns but effectively make it seem you have a chance to 'make it big.'  The haphazard frauds though of boxes of votes, dead people, flipped numbers, I guess, could be a part of the scheme. Reverse psychology.

I think they should focus on the rule changes, extensions, expansions, etc- which clearly are illegal or at least against the spirit of the laws.  But the Courts don't like Trump either and the Left very cleverly have deluded people into thinking that voting is so important that there shouldn't be any rules, checks, audits, or minor inconveniences to do so. 

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2021, 03:53:18 PM
I'll state that there was fraud. I don't know how much or if it threw the Presidential election. I think fraud is more likely and profitable on local levels, like for bond issues and places that won't get as much attention but profit people. But many of the presentations of such come off looking unhinged. And wells are poisoned because they believe every conspiracy and so the non-initiated, so to say, think: 'nutjob.'  And I will give Trump some credit, despite my early misgivings about his former politics, relationships, Hollywood and NYC connections, etc, that no other President- at least in my memory- had so many things against him. And then the Corona-Chan as a kill shot, euphemistically.

But one would think that clever overlords would be more effective with voter fraud. Think of Vegas electronic gaming. You use algorithms to make things close but enough reward to encourage playing and link the systems, even though by law you can comply with returns but effectively make it seem you have a chance to 'make it big.'  The haphazard frauds though of boxes of votes, dead people, flipped numbers, I guess, could be a part of the scheme. Reverse psychology.

I think they should focus on the rule changes, extensions, expansions, etc- which clearly are illegal or at least against the spirit of the laws.  But the Courts don't like Trump either and the Left very cleverly have deluded people into thinking that voting is so important that there shouldn't be any rules, checks, audits, or minor inconveniences to do so.

Yes, I do not think it is possible for regular people to know whether the election was deliberately thrown.  But, as I said very early on, it was clear the President's efforts to overturn it were not serious, he did not hire serious people to make his case, it was primarily about fundraising and casting shade on his successor as was done to him with the Russia hoax.

The NYT's new precinct-level map shows (if you look at the change vs. 2016) a general blueing across the country in highly populated areas which tends to back up the idea that the election was legit.  Either the fraud was really widespread (impossible to do even with voting machines since they are not universal) or Trump was really kicked out on his ass by a record turnout.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

Interestingly there are a few precincts in downtown Seattle that showed significant movement vs. 2016.   Granted this is the difference between 6% R and 24% R but you guys are making some inroads in hipsterdom, good work!

Quote from: K_Dubb on February 03, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
Trump was really kicked out on his ass by a Fisher Price My First Turntable record turnout.ing of The Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" playing on endless repeat.

So, what would you like to know? Just how to take drugs and be like me, right? Jesus, maybe you should just go be President then, doesn't that sound nice?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
There’s all kinds of evidence of election fraud

You can't even prove that you lied to me. I'm not sure what you believe the fraud to have been. I've kinda lost track of your point of view lately.

The New Administration doesn't consider this whole area to be something that needs all that much attention--I mean... I'm here, right? Things are solid.

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on February 03, 2021, 02:58:01 PM
Two more days actually. At 1:30 the pillow dude says he is dropping the evidence on Friday:

Can you blame them? Pillow guy or actually me are there best two choices--according to "projections," which none of the remaining MookMasters even know how to use correctly... guess how many people who can legitimately love their country and write code at the same time are still in D.C.? Yes, I am using the word "people." Their whole apparatus is unravelling like warmed over spaghetti that's been on the floor behind the fryer for two days while all the management went on a bender.

So, y'all gonna stop being rude? Or what? Don't worry about me. 3.9994 more years! 3.9995 more years! Wait, is that a typo? Or did Jackstar just reverse the flow of time? How would we even know? Aieeeee!



Heh heehee. I love being Me.

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2021, 03:53:18 PM
I'll state that there was fraud. I don't know how much or if it threw the Presidential election. I think fraud is more likely and profitable on local levels, like for bond issues and places that won't get as much attention but profit people. But many of the presentations of such come off looking unhinged. And wells are poisoned because they believe every conspiracy and so the non-initiated, so to say, think: 'nutjob.'  And I will give Trump some credit, despite my early misgivings about his former politics, relationships, Hollywood and NYC connections, etc, that no other President- at least in my memory- had so many things against him. And then the Corona-Chan as a kill shot, euphemistically.

But one would think that clever overlords would be more effective with voter fraud. Think of Vegas electronic gaming. You use algorithms to make things close but enough reward to encourage playing and link the systems, even though by law you can comply with returns but effectively make it seem you have a chance to 'make it big.'  The haphazard frauds though of boxes of votes, dead people, flipped numbers, I guess, could be a part of the scheme. Reverse psychology.

I think they should focus on the rule changes, extensions, expansions, etc- which clearly are illegal or at least against the spirit of the laws.  But the Courts don't like Trump either and the Left very cleverly have deluded people into thinking that voting is so important that there shouldn't be any rules, checks, audits, or minor inconveniences to do so.

The MSM paints anything not in lockstep with the communist plan as “unhinged” and has been for enough years that many if not most see through that lie now. Notice that Bezos didn’t want mail-in voting at Amazon though. Too insecure. He was worried about pro-union people trying to unfairly influence the vote. S’alright for a federal election though. : to infinity!

Quote from: Jackstar on February 03, 2021, 04:21:49 PM
I've kinda lost track of your point of view lately.

Drug addiction can do that. #Sad

Quote from: K_Dubb on February 03, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
Yes, I do not think it is possible for regular people to know whether the election was deliberately thrown.  But, as I said very early on, it was clear the President's efforts to overturn it were not serious, he did not hire serious people to make his case, it was primarily about fundraising and casting shade on his successor as was done to him with the Russia hoax.

The NYT's new precinct-level map shows (if you look at the change vs. 2016) a general blueing across the country in highly populated areas which tends to back up the idea that the election was legit.  Either the fraud was really widespread (impossible to do even with voting machines since they are not universal) or Trump was really kicked out on his ass by a record turnout.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

I object to use of term "casting shade." It is almost approaching "problematic" which almost has been more used than a term from some years ago "gravitas." A term which some will still throw around, usually the elderly members of the NPR and Sunday Morning show circuit. I also object to the the JooYorkTimes, as it is called in some circles, not mine,  though I find interesting how they, and Amazon Post, will allow some articles to show but then block other articles, or features, behind paywalls. And use of ip or cookies to determine when/if you get the article or not. The crosswords and the society announcements are the only worthwhile thing those papers anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmcROxfCEHM

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2021, 05:10:15 PM
I object to use of term "casting shade." It is almost approaching "problematic" which almost has been more used than a term from some years ago "gravitas." A term which some will still throw around, usually the elderly members of the NPR and Sunday Morning show circuit. I also object to the the JooYorkTimes, as it is called in some circles, not mine,  though I find interesting how they, and Amazon Post, will allow some articles to show but then block other articles, or features, behind paywalls. And use of ip or cookies to determine when/if you get the article or not. The crosswords and the society announcements are the only worthwhile thing those papers anyway.

Can I say "besmirch", which has experienced a revival recently in some context and for some reason which escapes me at the moment, along with the far-rarer "smirch"?

Quote from: K_Dubb on February 03, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
Yes, I do not think it is possible for regular people to know whether the election was deliberately thrown.  But, as I said very early on, it was clear the President's efforts to overturn it were not serious, he did not hire serious people to make his case, it was primarily about fundraising and casting shade on his successor as was done to him with the Russia hoax.

The NYT's new precinct-level map shows (if you look at the change vs. 2016) a general blueing across the country in highly populated areas which tends to back up the idea that the election was legit.  Either the fraud was really widespread (impossible to do even with voting machines since they are not universal) or Trump was really kicked out on his ass by a record turnout.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

So, to sum up your “argument” because someone made a distribution map of where the election was stolen means it wasn’t stolen. Brilliant! :

Quote from: K_Dubb on February 03, 2021, 06:32:05 PM
Can I say "besmirch", which has experienced a revival recently in some context and for some reason which escapes me at the moment, along with the far-rarer "smirch"?

To the former: if used with the "yrcht" end spelling (due to your gayness,,.and gilt.)     To the latter: yes, you may use in the modern spelling since I don't see it used anywhere. Once over-used the use will be proscribed. 

Quote from: K_Dubb on February 03, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
The NYT's new precinct-level map shows (if you look at the change vs. 2016) a general blueing across the country in highly populated areas which tends to back up the idea that the election was legit.  Either the fraud was really widespread (impossible to do even with voting machines since they are not universal) or Trump was really kicked out on his ass by a record turnout.

But is there any validity to a different point of view:

"Instead of widespread election fraud, it only takes deep election fraud in six cities to flip the swing states they are in, to thereby flip the electoral college, and to thereby steal the election nationally. Those cities are Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, Phoenix, and Las Vegas.”"

Quote from: Jackstar on February 03, 2021, 04:21:49 PM
I've kinda lost track of your point of view lately.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2021, 04:39:21 PM
Drug addiction can do that. #Sad

Here they come: strawmen. Dy-no-might. SoSad. (roflsnort)


I've seen a lot of people terrified at the notion--"Omg! The inevitable result of what I've been doing--it actually happened? Someone noticed? He's right, because I'm filled with panic-stricken fear at the notion of a life lived forever more without the sweet armor of a summer rose in bloom filling my nostrils? AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"

Oh, if you only knew why I have seen this so many times. Now, I'm sure you have your little theories--oh, you love those theories--but let us all take note... you're freely willing to jump to conclusions immediately that support your innate survival desires, and ones that do not support... SHUTDOWN. Wham! Make it big. That's science today, gnawing to the bone.

One of the lovely aspects of forum communication is that, once one recognizes a pattern in an author, it is a relatively simple matter to check the history, and confirm. (You yourself have done this, and extolled the virtues of the method and technique to me, myself directly.) So, you've done that, right? You would be amazed at the kaleidoscope effect at play here. Have you read Illuminatus! and/or The Principia Discordia? Of course you have, and you probably already know that they got hella stoned, cut random pages of manuscript into quarters, shuffled them all up, and then reassembled them in a jumble, 4 quads to a page, with no connection at all to the original connection of prose, and then just... well, threw it out there. To see what that would do.

Well, I'll tell you: it spawned innovation and a steadfast realization to not blow through one's supply so quickly. "Well, now I'm stone-cold sober and I'm surrounded by confetti. Hrrm. Art?" Different for them, but over here... Doc, you don't seem to understand, I've never been allowed to go to enough parties to even memorize and address, let alone become "addicted." Do you know how long that takes? How much dedicated time? Do you think it happens instantly? Well, it doesn't. I woke up on an operating table with my hand flayed wide open, tendons, muscles, bones and all laid bare to the open air... and I was so fuckin' blasted from the Demerol IV that even though I felt exactly what that felt like, agony and all, the cool OR air tickling the insides of my actual palm's skin... I was so high it didn't matter. I just wanned to look at my hand sliced wide open and hearing the surgeons having a spasm "what the hell? how is he awake? don't let him get up, don't let him look at his hand (too late), just give him more Demerol."

Yeah, I'm not addicted to Demerol -or- having my hand sliced open. And you don't know "high" until you're "fading out into a dark tunnel after getting a double dose of a hugely powerful synthetic opioid as your first exposure to opoids in your life (I was sixteen--Kid Boulder), and not only are you surrounded by doctors to make sure you're going to stay alive--if you die, it's all their fault anyway, so don't worry, enjoy getting slammed into Xanadu."

Then I wake up, I ask the nurses about the experience, and they all clam up. Like I'm asking about the underground military base under the hospital or something. One salty, ancient broad tried to gaslight me: "That didn't happen, you just imagined it." Open, braying laughter in her face. Recall: never had opioids before, never had a benzo before... they led off with Valium into the ass, which I had seen in some old-timey flicks from the 70s and 80s, and wondered what the big deal is. Well, number one: that high isn't as bad as a kick in the balls. Number two, it rewires the whole nervous system from start to finish and repeating the process does it again. This was better than cannabis how? Oh, right--it can be put in a needle. How delightful for junkies and scientists the world over. So, how have you missed this news? The first time I had opioids--needle--it was while I was on benzos for the first time--also needles. And so, note the implications here: I guess you didn't hear all of my stories yet. But you're completely persuaded already! So I suppose you'll have to accept my story then, because sure, it fits your narrative. I was forced by a doctor to be forcibly exposed to addictive needle drugs... and now I'm, wait, what? Exactly who fed you this story? Oh, if I could have been a fly on the wall. I could have just hung out and watched the pursuit of the truth. The struggle is real.

So. The baseline is set pretty high for me. Not interested in duplicating that experience, because a big part of the imprint was not just high AF for the first time... it was the notes of panic in the voices of the medical team that surrounded my hand, which could have been a prop from the next Hellraiser flick, for all I was concerned. It was funny. They didn't know what to do... and I was going for it, I was trying to sit up and I was gonna start asking questions, like, "Hey, what's that ligament called, and why is it blue? Why am I awake? Am I supposed to be this high? This seems like plenty high. Did you plan for the Valium to wear off this early? Oh, I bet you had no idea that I'm old bloodstock from (PROTECTED) lineage and for some reason, it takes more stuff than other people to do whatever it is supposed to do. Is it because I'm fat? I'm sure I have enough oxygen, that can't be it."

Now, having heard this story (I don't think I've told this one publically yet... have I? Like I care), might it not alter your conclusion? So I'm an addict now, am I? Wow. Bold, declarative statement. Am I also an aesthete? Unlike most people here, you know what one means. Unlike the other one. You clearly have forgotten, OG O.D. Additionally... shit, do I have to put this down in the log book? Oh, fuck that. I'm not doing that. That's someone else's damage. I don't give a shit--I am not dependent on the assessments of others in order to make my day to day living make sense to me in my own mind. I suppose you've forgotten what that's like, just as you have clearly forgotten who Holds The Chalice Of IDGASRWF around here. (Alternately: your cry for help. Now, that would be saucy, and yet... it cannot be my area. Awwwww. I wanna hear those tears again. If I'm addicted to anything, it is the sound of the barely-kept-in-check hiccups of incipient sobbing. I hear that some people have developed a taste for it. But in my case--it's the sound my metal dectector makes. I hear that from anyone... that's striking solid pay dirt.)

Now. Where I was actually going, was that... you know what? I've been unplugged from Childrens Hospital. So, whatever your point of view is... I am incognizant and unaware. Similiarly... you have also been unplugged from Jackstar's Crystal Healing Starchamber Clinic. And yet--bickety-bam!--you instantly represent that you know things. With cretitude (A new word. FOR YOU.) And you're already beyond bored, and over and done with, and the thought of any analysis or discussion of your opinion, why that--that's just crazy talk, junkie. (Because she said it, we all heard it, finally, Jackstar--Q.E.D.) Now, let's see your cretinous self substantiate that opinion with any degree of certitude. A friend demands a demonstration. Now look what you've done! Think this was my idea? Think again.

And I was basically just recognizing a challenge. You leapfrogged all the way to declaring victory and pissing on my old Champion's parking space. Well... o-h-h-h-h-h-h--kay. Hey, check it out--lightspeed. I'm not going to lie, I have had more prestigious gigs, but never one that comes with the prime perk of getting high as balls any time someone needs to have something explained to them. This isn't drugs. This is pride of authorship and excellence in self-representation. I don't even care to be addicted to that... I'd much rather that everyone stop being an idiot, than that I get to keep getting high telling people that they're stupid. Sure, I can't demonstrate that too you satisfactorily... and I know that I do not need to. Nor to any other of your mewling sycophants. This isn't something that Rock The Vote is going to affect. So, what are you doing, parrot nose? Confessing again? Look, I don't have time for this kind of thing... after this. Baby steps down the page. Baby steps to another topic. Baby steps to actually maintain a focus of attention. I think this is obvious enough? Baby steps to the Copy URL button. Baby steps to the SMS app. You get the idea. Is this shit happening? Eh, maybe.

Am I addicted to it? Oh no, no no, no no no, no no no no: it's not even my idea. And that is on record.

You should probably check the rest of your own stuff now. I'm not really allowed to--I'm not here to collect your shit and then run it on back down to you. I don't know who's job that is, but it certainly is... not mine. Although you might be able to talk me into helping out with one of your clearly important... study and research sessions. Since you're, you know, on top of the issues in others. And, of course--you've been attending to your own rigorous self-check discipline, right?

And... you're sure, addiction, huh? Not dependence? You've ruled out other factors? Or... wait, could it be, you're simply just reducing yourself to ad hominem asap and then hoping that's enough? Well, it is beyond the scope of this reply to attend to this issue. And yet, I think I have a much better track on your point of view of lately.

You should see what I can do with a feather duster, a package of condoms, and a jar of extra salty Virginia peanuts. Now, in the meanwhile... did you even catch my original point? Because I have forgotten it on purpose, as it was for you, and not for me, and if you didn't even look, or check, or what, and trotting out The Addiction Diagnosis Chart... well, my my my.

Is that, like, defamation? I don't know. Does it count when you make yourself look like an idiot? What if someone has to come along and make that explicit, with their own letters? Hey, you know what? I'm willing to let this go.

Because I'm now in possession of a baseline on your point of view. See how that works? That is how that works, and confirmation will emerge organically for myself in due course of time. Now... ask yourself this: are you aware that I do all that, all the time, 24/7, and have for decades? Or do you just think, "rationalization, douchebag!!!" I'll take your answer left implanted in your own subconscious.

Where it shall ripen or decay as your own Self decrees. BTW, remember when I said, "I'm not going to use this against you"? You should, it's right there. So... what happened with that? A (CLASSIFIED) asks. Don't feel like your answer is crucial, or being timed, or, you know... whatever.

It is, however, likely being logged. Can you believe this shit? In this day and age? Like, oooh. Jackstar! In aggression! Using big scary words! Basically bein' all uppity. Gettin' logged. Gonna put an ostrakon up my butt later. So there.

I know I'm feeling chastened. Is that something I can get addicted to? I feel like you would know. Probably just a hallucination, though. Like how, not one, but TWO PEOPLE have just today told me flat out: "You're working with him." Orangutan rolleyes, I swear. So anyway, since I'm a drug addict, I'm fired now? Great, I'll pass that along. And... uh, yeah, your addiction issues--as well as many others--are what prevents me from "working" with you.

What has prevented me lately from talking to you as that you're being fucking stupid. So let's make that clear. And, Dude, everyone knows you're an addict. Dogs know it. So, what? #MeToo? Yeah, whatever Tonto--why even reply at all? Playbook? Instinct? Habit?

Oh, I know why. Just skip that part. Now, where were we? Oh, right: a taste of sunshine. Now, what might have parted the clouds on that point? Negative, Ghost Rider.

A star has to have some secrets now, as I've been told that I already do. Jesus, this is fucking stupid. Welcome to Amateur Hour. END OF LINE.

TL;DR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jYBSMSbt0

Quote from: Silphion on February 04, 2021, 01:44:50 AM
But is there any validity to a different point of view:

"Instead of widespread election fraud, it only takes deep election fraud in six cities to flip the swing states they are in, to thereby flip the electoral college, and to thereby steal the election nationally. Those cities are Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, Phoenix, and Las Vegas.”"

Certainly could have been done, but what I'd expect to see are challenges to the returns from specific precincts in those cities that showed unusually high returns that would indicate stuffing or unusual swings from 2016.  I think in my precinct there were only something around 500 votes cast, so it's very granular.  The local parties know this well and should be able to spot weird things, just like I did with that big red precinct in South Lake Union that probably had ten new Trump voters in 2020 vs. 2016.  I am interested in that kind of analysis.  But nobody is getting that detailed, from the beginning preferring grand sweeping theories and innuendo that just got sillier and sillier instead of increasingly precise.  That's why I maintained it wasn't a serious challenge.

The problem (as the map shows) is that, even if you found those, there was a movement away from Trump in urban and suburban areas across the country, coupled with an enormous turnout, so the hypothetical fraud wouldn't stick out all that much -- it fit within a general trend.  So you either have to say the whole trend was fraudulent (way to big a conspiracy, requiring tampering with multiple voting methods and way too many people involved) or accept that, if there was fraud, it amounted to a little push over the edge.  Still bad but, in moral terms, no where near the kind of Third World sham election that would have justified Trump's behavior.

Quote from: K_Dubb on February 04, 2021, 12:08:55 PM
Certainly could have been done, but what I'd expect to see are challenges to the returns from specific precincts in those cities that showed unusually high returns that would indicate stuffing or unusual swings from 2016.  I think in my precinct there were only something around 500 votes cast, so it's very granular.  The local parties know this well and should be able to spot weird things, just like I did with that big red precinct in South Lake Union that probably had ten new Trump voters in 2020 vs. 2016.  I am interested in that kind of analysis.  But nobody is getting that detailed, from the beginning preferring grand sweeping theories and innuendo that just got sillier and sillier instead of increasingly precise.  That's why I maintained it wasn't a serious challenge.

The problem (as the map shows) is that, even if you found those, there was a movement away from Trump in urban and suburban areas across the country, coupled with an enormous turnout, so the hypothetical fraud wouldn't stick out all that much -- it fit within a general trend.  So you either have to say the whole trend was fraudulent (way to big a conspiracy, requiring tampering with multiple voting methods and way too many people involved) or accept that, if there was fraud, it amounted to a little push over the edge.  Still bad but, in moral terms, no where near the kind of Third World sham election that would have justified Trump's behavior.

No, those places are precisely where the fraud was committed and you keep conveniently trying to say that this is just a trend reflected in distribution maps but they just confirm that that’s where the fraud occured. That voters there were mostly Democrats is irrelevant. If it was a clean vote then why the need to block Republicans from witnessing it in these key Democrat bastions to the point of blocking the windows so they couldn’t even see through them. It’s totally 3rd world banana republic behavior and Trump and his supporters were justified. :

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 04, 2021, 12:19:17 PM
No, those places are precisely where the fraud was committed and you keep conveniently trying to say that this is just a trend reflected in distribution maps but they just confirm that that’s where the fraud occured. That voters there were mostly Democrats is irrelevant. If it was a clean vote then why the need to block Republicans from witnessing it in these key Democrat bastions to the point of blocking the windows so they couldn’t even see through them. It’s totally 3rd world banana republic behavior and Trump and his supporters were justified. :

No it's the difference between questioning a substantial portion of the 80 million votes against Trump or a couple hundred thousand.  And proponents of the limited, targeted fraud theory still have to deal with the fact that there are an awful lot of people who don't like Trump in this country, that he inspired a record turnout for an opponent who barely bothered to campaign, and that you can't run politicians who inspire that level of disgust -- see Hillary.  It's ok; you have a couple years to figure this out.

Quote from: K_Dubb on February 04, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
No it's the difference between questioning a substantial portion of the 80 million votes against Trump or a couple hundred thousand.  And proponents of the limited, targeted fraud theory still have to deal with the fact that there are an awful lot of people who don't like Trump in this country, that he inspired a record turnout for an opponent who barely bothered to campaign, and that you can't run politicians who inspire that level of disgust -- see Hillary.  It's ok; you have a couple years to figure this out.

If it was such a lock then why the need to shut out Republican observers? It was so they could get away with the fraud. I’ve already figured that out.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 04, 2021, 12:36:34 PM
If it was such a lock then why the need to shut out Republican observers? It was so they could get away with the fraud. I’ve already figured that out.

Didn't Trump twitter at people to go down to the polls and observe or something?  Can't just have a bunch of rambunctious yobs wandering around poking into things.  There were arguments over whether you had to be a resident of that district with credentials from the party -- I forget exactly.

We should be being shown precincts from PA with 200% turnouts and 50-point swings to Biden -- I'm all ears.  But nobody is moving in that direction, it is all krakens and Italians and servers in Germany and military intelligence guys who turn out to be mechanics and mailmen driving trucks of fake ballots who see UFOs and mathematical models which we already learned from covid can be ridiculous but suddenly you guys like them now.  Jive turkeys  all of you.