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Quote from: 21st Century Man on May 30, 2018, 07:15:29 PM
I did find out later in life that my mom was my dad's second wife.  I think he was married briefly in Hawaii when he was in the service.  My grandmother (his mom) told us about it in the late 80's.  She was pissed off at him for God knows what.  Needless to say I was shocked but no one ever brought it up again.  I would have liked to hear the details of that escapade.  I guess no children were produced though you never know.  I could have a half-brother or half-sister in Hawaii.  Ah well, the recklessness of youth.

Yeah, these days with the DNA. Who knows what can come up? Over the weekend someone was saying how in med school he 'paid some bills' doing the sperm donation thing and now is wondering: shit, what liability or whatever happens if that gets tracked down? "Kids" coming out of the wood work or demands to know medical issues or family stuff by  them? And then others speculated about testing and if egg and sperm donation are x-referenced etc or could, conceivably, bad combinations happen? It was an odd conversation. I said I was against it all and, to add to the mix, that if you use the genetic testing systems  or donate sperm, eggs, plasma, blood, etc the government, lawyers, police, and what-not can get your data and test against data-bases and is sold for profit by biotech firms for experiments and possible patents. This caused pause and some "changing of subject."

Quote from: Jocko Johnson on May 30, 2018, 06:29:14 PM
THE FOLLOWING IS PURELY A HYPOTHETICAL AND FICTIONAL NARRATIVE. ANY CHARACTERS ARE FICITIOUS AND ANY RESEMBLANCE TO ANY REAL PERSON OR PERSONS LIVING OR DEAD OR TIMES AND PLACES IS ABSOLUTELY AND PURELY COINCIDENTIAL...JJ.

Let's see if we can blow the lid off this...
As the plot thickens and the lies begin to pile up. Let us look at some facts as we know them & dates, we got some folks here that know this shit inside out...here then is my questions.

When all the alledged terror attacks and threatening phone calls were being made to AB was HW already living there? If so what was her actual involvement? Was it a plan to make it easier for him to exit and her to make noticable and sensational entrance, (free publicity. No blitz needed) to the airwaves?  Was it a plan by who knows, let's say someone who maybe a few slices short of the whole pizza pie, someone who had indeared herself to a sex 'cumsumed' old gent, someone who's lifelong dream in a maybe not so normal mind to give anything and everything to "have a radio show and be a broadcaster." Remember wasn't it Dr. Munchy Cuckoo who was on the show, (yes? we can ck the date) when AB had shots fired at him according to the story? HW claimed "she was home and AB called her to give the details. So when, (what were the dates when the gun play all started?) Because HW was so worried and shaken she was like a basket case and didn't she say she called the cops!? From California or Parhump Nev and the cuckshed next door?
Then AB had the talk with the family and decided it was over, the young child so frightened found hiding under the bed (no word from the nut, the shooter ever again...AB did not accept the many offers of help and assistance from listener who were involved in this sort of work...security, military and LE.) Was HW sitting at the table in the AB compound main HQ drinking java and smoking butts with the family helping to make this decision? The replacement seemed to be on the spot and ready to just slide  right in. Perhaps some of the sorrow and grief was now from watching this epic plan falling down around her ears when AB entered the next life. Was or is HW afraid that perhaps an associate or 2, or 3 may turn rat?

We need someone who knows how to go through all the posts, fb crap etc and make out a time line or as we would say in Brooklyn a scorecard, because u can't tell the players without one. Maybe that's why the local constabulary was not very cooperative since they felt they were being played...maybe along with all of us?

What say you? Quite a tale...we just need the correct dates to see if the puzzle pieces all fit.

No doubt that we were all played, for a very LONG time.

When it began, who the hell knows.

Art is dead and he took his "quickenings", "quitenings", "teasanings" with him after he played them all to the max, while playing all. Guess he was a many faceted "Master"...not just one of the airwaves.
So, what are we going to learn that we don't already know?...except his autopsy report? and what HW was truly doing at Art's house  and her relationship to Art?

Yeah, I want to know, however what do we do with it if/when we do know? ...if ever?

Guess this may be a warrant for full BG disclosure...but then what?   

Quote from: Jocko Johnson on May 30, 2018, 06:29:14 PM
THE FOLLOWING IS PURELY A HYPOTHETICAL AND FICTIONAL NARRATIVE. ANY CHARACTERS ARE FICITIOUS AND ANY RESEMBLANCE TO ANY REAL PERSON OR PERSONS LIVING OR DEAD OR TIMES AND PLACES IS ABSOLUTELY AND PURELY COINCIDENTIAL...JJ.

Let's see if we can blow the lid off this...
As the plot thickens and the lies begin to pile up. Let us look at some facts as we know them & dates, we got some folks here that know this shit inside out...here then is my questions.

When all the alledged terror attacks and threatening phone calls were being made to AB was HW already living there? If so what was her actual involvement? Was it a plan to make it easier for him to exit and her to make noticable and sensational entrance, (free publicity. No blitz needed) to the airwaves?  Was it a plan by who knows, let's say someone who maybe a few slices short of the whole pizza pie, someone who had indeared herself to a sex 'cumsumed' old gent, someone who's lifelong dream in a maybe not so normal mind to give anything and everything to "have a radio show and be a broadcaster." Remember wasn't it Dr. Munchy Cuckoo who was on the show, (yes? we can ck the date) when AB had shots fired at him according to the story? HW claimed "she was home and AB called her to give the details. So when, (what were the dates when the gun play all started?) Because HW was so worried and shaken she was like a basket case and didn't she say she called the cops!? From California or Parhump Nev and the cuckshed next door?
Then AB had the talk with the family and decided it was over, the young child so frightened found hiding under the bed (no word from the nut, the shooter ever again...AB did not accept the many offers of help and assistance from listener who were involved in this sort of work...security, military and LE.) Was HW sitting at the table in the AB compound main HQ drinking java and smoking butts with the family helping to make this decision? The replacement seemed to be on the spot and ready to just slide  right in. Perhaps some of the sorrow and grief was now from watching this epic plan falling down around her ears when AB entered the next life. Was or is HW afraid that perhaps an associate or 2, or 3 may turn rat?

We need someone who knows how to go through all the posts, fb crap etc and make out a time line or as we would say in Brooklyn a scorecard, because u can't tell the players without one. Maybe that's why the local constabulary was not very cooperative since they felt they were being played...maybe along with all of us?

What say you? Quite a tale...we just need the correct dates to see if the puzzle pieces all fit.

That's when it was obviously implausible. It was such an elaborate story and then compounded with his pose in the possible line of fire of the stalker in the compound, at night. Then he makes the threat of not going on air unless his daughter increases her online presence by getting 5000 subscribers.. The clear actions of a responsible father under the threat of his family being killed?


Nope.

Quote from: Freyja on May 30, 2018, 07:23:04 PM
No doubt that we were all played, for a very LONG time.

When it began, who the hell knows.

Art is dead and he took his "quickenings", "quitenings", "teasanings" with him after he played them all to the max, while playing all. Guess he was a many faceted "Master"...not just one of the airwaves.
So, what are we going to learn that we don't already know?...except his autopsy report? and what HW was truly doing at Art's house  and her relationship to Art?

Yeah, I want to know, however what do we do with it if/when we do know? ...if ever?

Guess this may be a warrant for full BG disclosure...but then what?

I don't know. How many here believed all the guests and the stuff? Sure some guests with more legit stuff or when it was political back and forth but, for the most part, it was entertainment. And fun stuff to listen too on a long drive, going to sleep, after a party, etc. It was the delivery and the content, not the person for many,at least me? I know it is a tired argument, especially these days in no privacy and SJWs, but are certain movies, people, politicians, or historical figures abandoned because they might have been flawed, especially when viewed in a modern context? It would appear so but I find that bad, for the most part. Can the "art" be separated from the artist's life? I can though admit, sometimes, it is troubling when you learn some really bad stuff about people.

Quote from: Jocko Johnson on May 30, 2018, 06:29:14 PM

When all the alledged terror attacks and threatening phone calls were being made to AB was HW already living there? If so what was her actual involvement?

Since she discussed it last night I'm feeling like it's not counter TOS for me to give the couple of puzzle pieces I can.

She was not in NV during stalkergate. She reported the one where he took refuge while she was producing from her home in CA.

I believe that last night she said the date of her moving to NV was actually Feb 2016 rather than more recently as she had previously declared, just prior to announcing project Area 51. That statement matches my recall of the events as I knew them at the time. Also last night, she stated their reasoning for not originally revealing when the move was made but I don't remember what that was. I only have so much shelf space.

Quote from: Jocko Johnson on May 30, 2018, 06:29:14 PM
THE FOLLOWING IS PURELY A HYPOTHETICAL AND FICTIONAL NARRATIVE. ANY CHARACTERS ARE FICITIOUS AND ANY RESEMBLANCE TO ANY REAL PERSON OR PERSONS LIVING OR DEAD OR TIMES AND PLACES IS ABSOLUTELY AND PURELY COINCIDENTIAL...JJ.

Let's see if we can blow the lid off this...
As the plot thickens and the lies begin to pile up. Let us look at some facts as we know them & dates, we got some folks here that know this shit inside out...here then is my questions.

When all the alledged terror attacks and threatening phone calls were being made to AB was HW already living there? If so what was her actual involvement? Was it a plan to make it easier for him to exit and her to make noticable and sensational entrance, (free publicity. No blitz needed) to the airwaves?  Was it a plan by who knows, let's say someone who maybe a few slices short of the whole pizza pie, someone who had indeared herself to a sex 'cumsumed' old gent, someone who's lifelong dream in a maybe not so normal mind to give anything and everything to "have a radio show and be a broadcaster." Remember wasn't it Dr. Munchy Cuckoo who was on the show, (yes? we can ck the date) when AB had shots fired at him according to the story? HW claimed "she was home and AB called her to give the details. So when, (what were the dates when the gun play all started?) Because HW was so worried and shaken she was like a basket case and didn't she say she called the cops!? From California or Parhump Nev and the cuckshed next door?
Then AB had the talk with the family and decided it was over, the young child so frightened found hiding under the bed (no word from the nut, the shooter ever again...AB did not accept the many offers of help and assistance from listener who were involved in this sort of work...security, military and LE.) Was HW sitting at the table in the AB compound main HQ drinking java and smoking butts with the family helping to make this decision? The replacement seemed to be on the spot and ready to just slide  right in. Perhaps some of the sorrow and grief was now from watching this epic plan falling down around her ears when AB entered the next life. Was or is HW afraid that perhaps an associate or 2, or 3 may turn rat?

We need someone who knows how to go through all the posts, fb crap etc and make out a time line or as we would say in Brooklyn a scorecard, because u can't tell the players without one. Maybe that's why the local constabulary was not very cooperative since they felt they were being played...maybe along with all of us?

What say you? Quite a tale...we just need the correct dates to see if the puzzle pieces all fit.

Fix to timeline: (Known)
Feb. 19, 2016 is when she moved to Pahrump. (Perhaps with the same squeaky chair)
Based on :
1) Her own admission last night - was specific (only moderately reliable source, except:
2) A picture HW published on facebook of the old studio used since Dec 2015 with musician style mixing board and different computers circa late December -Jan 2016, (fits statement 1)
3) The change in audio quality noticed about the same time (fits statement 1; independent sourcing)
4) The gap in shows - last show was Feb 17, 2016, and first show in Pahrump was Feb 23, 2016, packs and moves the next day and arrives in Pahrump the 19th (fits statement 1.)
5) Aldous confirms "Feb. 2016"
6) Keith errantly mentioned "power is out in Pahrump" on air, and subsequent doxing in July 2016

Did she visit Art when she was producer between Aug-Dec 2015 and he was hosting the show? Unlikely.
1) Aldous (high reliability source) claims "not there for stalkergate"
2) HW did not have own vehicle prior to hosting, but announced getting one on-air several months after starting show

The last time she was definitely physically in Pahrump was when she visited with Aldous before the July 20, 2015 start of MITD. Known Unknown. (Needs date confirmation)

Quote from: aldousburbank on May 30, 2018, 07:39:05 PM
Since she discussed it last night I'm feeling like it's not counter TOS for me to give the couple of puzzle pieces I can.

She was not in NV during stalkergate. She reported the one where he took refuge while she was producing from her home in CA.

I believe that last night she said the date of her moving to NV was actually Feb 2016 rather than more recently as she had previously declared, just prior to announcing project Area 51. That statement matches my recall of the events as I knew them at the time. Also last night, she stated their reasoning for not originally revealing when the move was made but I don't remember what that was. I only have so much shelf space life.

FIFY

Vera is having reverse  speach..expert David Oates on his show...That's the guy Art Bell had a big falling out with...doesn't look good for a man that has...oh so much respect for Art Bell and Heather Wade

If he did reverse speech on Vara, would Vara make more sense?

Quote from: Ghost Nutter on May 30, 2018, 07:47:49 PM
Vera is having reverse  speach..expert David Oates on his show...That's the guy Art Bell had a big falling out with...doesn't look good for a man that has...oh so much respect for Art Bell and Heather Wade

It will look worse when Heather has him on in the next couple of weeks.  How are Vara and Heather going to divvy up guests?

Quote from: Ghost Nutter on May 30, 2018, 07:47:49 PM
Vera is having reverse  speach..expert David Oates on his show...That's the guy Art Bell had a big falling out with...doesn't look good for a man that has...oh so much respect for Art Bell and Heather Wade

this is actually a pretty good entertainment. the show's ok too



is anybody in chat? ask him to play the art clips

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 30, 2018, 07:42:34 PM
FIFY

You're right. The space is endless man!

Quote from: Ghost Nutter on May 30, 2018, 07:47:49 PM
Vera is having reverse  speach..expert David Oates on his show...That's the guy Art Bell had a big falling out with...doesn't look good for a man that has...oh so much respect for Art Bell and Heather Wade

Ha!  I'm listening to Douglas Dietrich's show on the new network that picked him up.   New network.  Same shtick - including the traditional gratuitous attacks on Bellgab.

Quote from: whoozit on May 30, 2018, 07:51:42 PM
It will look worse when Heather has him on in the next couple of weeks.  How are Vara and Heather going to divvy up guests?

Dear god..

Quote from: WildCard on May 30, 2018, 07:52:12 PM
this is actually a pretty good entertainment. the show's ok too

Lasha calling someone or something stupid is deliciously ironic.

Quote from: whoozit on May 30, 2018, 07:54:15 PM
Lasha calling someone or something stupid is deliciously ironic.

She needs a 7 second delay for her <return> key.

Quote from: GravitySucks on May 30, 2018, 07:57:00 PM
She needs a 7 second delay for her <return> key.

I think one could relabel "dump" and put some wiring and a resistor or something in to do so?

Quote from: albrecht on May 30, 2018, 07:37:16 PM
I don't know. How many here believed all the guests and the stuff? Sure some guests with more legit stuff or when it was political back and forth but, for the most part, it was entertainment. And fun stuff to listen too on a long drive, going to sleep, after a party, etc. It was the delivery and the content, not the person for many,at least me? I know it is a tired argument, especially these days in no privacy and SJWs, but are certain movies, people, politicians, or historical figures abandoned because they might have been flawed, especially when viewed in a modern context? It would appear so but I find that bad, for the most part. Can the "art" be separated from the artist's life? I can though admit, sometimes, it is troubling when you learn some really bad stuff about people.

Yeah, but......a guest is just a guest.

Art always said he tried to do a show where the listener was able to make up their own mind about what was presented.

That said, not so much for Art.

He had us believe that he was who he presented himself to be...his persona that he projected....he, Ramona, his cats...all his seeming vulnerable moments...ie falling off his porch, lips glued etc....was any of this true? ...or was it just "good radio" to "chump us up"?

I would hate to believe that the whole "ride" was a shtick....but hey, maybe it was....guests and Art....

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on May 30, 2018, 07:52:39 PM
Ha!  I'm listening to Douglas Dietrich's show on the new network that picked him up.   New network.  Same shtick - including the traditional gratuitous attacks on Bellgab.

Thanks! 

Listening down at "the thread"

Quote from: whoozit on May 30, 2018, 07:54:15 PM
Lasha calling someone or something stupid is deliciously ironic.

she's concern trolling

Quote from: henge0stone on February 04, 2015, 04:00:16 PM
God I can't remember the show it was but I heard Art talking about it. He said that David was doing reversals on Dames and Art had asked him not to draw metaphors from the reversals. Oates kept doing it after Art (during the breaks) asked him not to. After that show (never heard the show just art talking about it) Oates started bashing Art saying he was hiding the truth about Dames when all art asked for was non metaphor reversals. That's Art's side as he explained it. We don't know Oates side because the one Oates show he mentioned it but didn't explain why he was saying terrible things about Art (and this was before the child abuse stuff!).

Art just ignored it for a while but I think once the child abuse crap thrown in Art started to pursue legal action. And he had every right to do so. Oates is such slimball  the only reason why anyone knows who he is is because of Art and this is how he repaid him. C2C are slimballs too. Art created the show and Noory (or whomever books guests) must have known about the bad blood between them but they didn't care. I'm sorry no matter how removed you are from the creator of your show you can't invite on people who slandered him in the way Oates did. Unforgivable Noory. 

Quote from: brig on May 30, 2018, 08:07:07 PM
Thanks! 

Listening down at "the thread"

Good deal.  He's been pretty calm tonight.....................

One piece of advice to guys about 23-and-me...

Don't let your kids do it until you have...  Where would you like to find out about a child?

Vincent Pontius would be well-served though. Especially if Kevin Y. is claiming to be a relative...

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on May 30, 2018, 08:09:25 PM
Good deal.  He's been pretty calm tonight.....................

Quote from: Metron2267 on May 30, 2018, 05:03:22 PM
All you need to do is overlay their faces and observe the very distinctive jaw structure.

I hate to do the conspiracy theory on this one but the lack of objectivity Art had about her broadcasting chops, the passing of the "legacy" torch, selling her the studio home, etc.

It all seems to line up as HLW being his daughter from some other dalliance. And her boundless grief is suddenly understandable in that she lost the father she built an adult relationship with.

Anywho...that's my Columbo for the day....

Their is a woman who lived at the same address on Desert lane, 9021, at the same time as HW, and just before, and possibly even now.  Her name is Ann B. Leonard (68 yrs. old at time of property records.)  There is no way a person off the street rented that studio/home at the same time she was broadcasting from there.  With the last name of Leonard, I believe Ann gave her daughter the middle name of Leona.  And that Art was her father.

Quote from: yoursongs on May 30, 2018, 08:16:07 PM
Their is a woman who lived at the same address on Desert lane, 9021, at the same time as HW, and just before, and possibly even now.  Her name is Ann B. Leonard (68 yrs. old at time of property records.)  There is no way a person off the street rented that studio/home at the same time she was broadcasting from there.  With the last name of Leonard, I believe Ann gave her daughter the middle name of Leona.  And that Art was her father.

Quote from: yoursongs on May 30, 2018, 08:16:07 PM
Their is a woman who lived at the same address on Desert lane, 9021, at the same time as HW, and just before, and possibly even now.  Her name is Ann B. Leonard (68 yrs. old at time of property records.)  There is no way a person off the street rented that studio/home at the same time she was broadcasting from there.  With the last name of Leonard, I believe Ann gave her daughter the middle name of Leona.  And that Art was her father.

Furthermore, Ann B. Leonard was a long time resident of the Vegas area prior to Pahrump.  If she were in San Diego, CA circa 1976 (or he visited Vegas), this would fit together quite nicely.

Quote from: whoozit on May 30, 2018, 07:51:42 PM
It will look worse when Heather has him on in the next couple of weeks.  How are Vara and Heather going to divvy up guests?

I never did understand fully what went on there ,.. Ok I know oates & Bell apparently disagreeed on either what a metaphor reversal is ,or if he should continue doing it , so Art didn't have him on again ,...ok ,... But then what ?  Did Oates do reversals on Art ?  Did Oates accuse art of wrongdoing ? 

Quote from: Freyja on May 30, 2018, 08:04:58 PM
Yeah, but......a guest is just a guest.

Art always said he tried to do a show where the listener was able to make up their own mind about what was presented.

That said, not so much for Art.

He had us believe that he was who he presented himself to be...his persona that he projected....he, Ramona, his cats...all his seeming vulnerable moments...ie falling off his porch, lips glued etc....was any of this true? ...or was it just "good radio" to "chump us up"?

I would hate to believe that the whole "ride" was a shtick....but hey, maybe it was....guests and Art....

Yeah, though eating a light-bulb on air was a clue? Or claiming to be some very high level Mason? Lots was schtick and I think lots was real. People are complicated, especially if you are holed-up in some desert mfg home and having to talk for hours every night to anybody who calls in in the wee-hours. I still love his shows.

Quote from: yoursongs on May 30, 2018, 08:16:07 PM
Their is a woman who lived at the same address on Desert lane, 9021, at the same time as HW, and just before, and possibly even now.  Her name is Ann B. Leonard (68 yrs. old at time of property records.)  There is no way a person off the street rented that studio/home at the same time she was broadcasting from there.  With the last name of Leonard, I believe Ann gave her daughter the middle name of Leona.  And that Art was her father.

The plot thickens...as it usually does.

Quote from: albrecht on May 30, 2018, 08:23:28 PM
Yeah, though eating a light-bulb on air was a clue? Or claiming to be some very high level Mason? Lots was schtick and I think lots was real. People are complicated, especially if you are holed-up in some desert mfg home and having to talk for hours every night to anybody who calls in in the wee-hours. I still love his shows.

In the end, it was still great radio, whether or not Art was a complete sham, playing his listeners.