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Quote from: CronkitesGhost on June 05, 2017, 10:39:21 PM
Do you people think Hoagland sincerely believes he's a scientist, albeit self educated, with compelling hypotheses such as proof of Martian Type II civilization, torsion field/hyperdimensial waves detected with a Bulova watch at a Mayan pyramid or he knows it's all bullshit and he's a fraud?


"Look, when I run up this Mayan pyramid with a 40 year old wristwatch, the watch goes all spiky. It's torsion fields!!"    from RationalWiki's page on him

I think he's deluded himself and believes most everything that pops into his head and out his mouth. A type of sociopath, where he believes he's smarter than most everybody else and the equal of people like his late good friend 'Carl' with no valid reason for that belief.

If not for his ego the guy could have probably been a successful science fiction writer and radio personality welcomed by the mainstream entertainment industry.

Nah, he's just an old-fashioned fast-talking con man, like the duke and the dauphin in Huck Finn.  Quick but lazy, he's charmed and blustered his way through life, papering himself with bits of other people's frauds like one of those camouflaging insects.  Once in a while the mask will drop and he'll refer to himself deprecatingly as "your crazy host" or something like that, but his is an act, born of imagination, and I appreciate its art.

Pez needs to make a Richard C. Hoagland Pez dispenser.


Just an idle thought as I hit the hay.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 05, 2017, 11:20:24 PM
Pez needs to make a Richard C. Hoagland Pez dispenser.


Just an idle thought as I hit the hay.

That would be highly collectible! 

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 05, 2017, 11:20:24 PM
Pez needs to make a Richard C. Hoagland Pez dispenser.


Just an idle thought as I hit the hay.

I'd buy one.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 05, 2017, 11:20:24 PM
Pez needs to make a Richard C. Hoagland Pez dispenser.


Just an idle thought as I hit the hay.

Ha! I was at the gas station this AM and was full (even with 13 bays*  ) but there was a guy in a old (mid-90s) Dodge sedan sitting in his car frantically texting or looking at his phone, grimacing . He looked exactly like RCH! It was sorta raining (not like the storms later but misty and hard to see through his dirty windsheild) and was in a hurry so I didn't want to take a pic but the beard/hair and visage, albeit in a frantic manner looked like RCH! I did a double-take. I was thinking, considering the recent show, that he was either: trying to find a flight for his dog, texting Robin why his debit card wouldn't work at the station, or deleting VMs and dodging creditors. And also why the app on his old phone (it looked like a clunker like the car) took him into traffic through Austin on his way from FLA to NM.

*interesting note I remembered. 13 not a concern to Valero. Maybe Venezuela would be in better shape if they paid attention to numbers! Ha.

Quote from: zeebo on June 05, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
I think he sees himself as something grander than a typical scientist, a kind of free-thinking visionary not beholden to such rigid ways of viewing reality.  But it's odd - he insists he's got good data like any scientist would require, but then he dismisses that this data doesn't hold up to peer scrutiny, which is directly at odds with the scientific method. 

In any case, if he's faking it, he's got me fooled.  His passion and arrogance sound sincere, if completely misguided.  He is clearly intelligent, and does know quite alot about a range of fields, and yet somehow he still reaches these fanciful conclusions - it's part of why I find him such a curiosity.

same, I find the guy pretty fascinating - the grandiosity of his ideas and his imagined stature in the world most interests and amuses me, we all know his radio show is the 21st century version of tins cans and string but there he is talking about 'we need more staff', 'we're now heard all over the world ladies and gentlemen, 'we're the highest rated radio show according to fill-in-the-blank website'.  He's like an old movie star from Hollywood's Golden Age who really wasn't that big a star whom now nobody remembers but they still carry themselves like it's 1930 talking about long dead more famous friends the way Hoagie talks about Walter, Carl, Arthur and Gene. If those men were alive they'd laugh if you asked them about Richard Hoagland, like he is to us I'm sure he was nothing more than a curiosity or annoyance.

Quote from: CronkitesGhost on June 05, 2017, 11:35:15 PM
same, I find the guy pretty fascinating - the grandiosity of his ideas and his imagined stature in the world most interests and amuses me, we all know his radio show is the 21st century version of tins cans and string but there he is talking about 'we need more staff', 'we're now heard all over the world ladies and gentlemen, 'we're the highest rated radio show according to fill-in-the-blank website'.  He's like an old movie star from Hollywood's Golden Age who really wasn't that big a star whom now nobody remembers but they still carry themselves like it's 1930 talking about long dead more famous friends the way Hoagie talks about Walter, Carl, Arthur and Gene. If those men were alive they'd laugh if you asked them about Richard Hoagland, like he is to us I'm sure he was nothing more than a curiosity or annoyance.

"Alright Mr. DeMille, I'm waiting for my close up."

Quote from: K_Dubb on June 05, 2017, 11:18:20 PM
Nah, he's just an old-fashioned fast-talking con man, like the duke and the dauphin in Huck Finn.  Quick but lazy, he's charmed and blustered his way through life, papering himself with bits of other people's frauds like one of those camouflaging insects.  Once in a while the mask will drop and he'll refer to himself deprecatingly as "your crazy host" or something like that, but his is an act, born of imagination, and I appreciate its art.

i often think of Professor Harold Hill when listening to Hoagland, the charming conman from The Music Man. I'd pay good money to see Hoagie in summer stock theater in that role.

Paola Harris suckz

Quote from: Yorkshire Pudiphile on June 06, 2017, 01:56:17 AM
Paola Payola Harris suckz

fify

Quote from: brig on June 05, 2017, 11:25:11 PM
I'd buy one.

Me, too.  I can see it showing up on "American Pickers - 2100" as a rare collectible, much more so than a half used bottle of Pizza Punch.

F**k, this site is dead now.

Quote from: Juan Cena on June 07, 2017, 01:02:05 AM
F**k, this site is dead now.

Yep. I guess people got tired of you telling them that aliens are racist. 

K_Dubb.  Here is some inspiration.

why is he only doing 2 nights a week? probably driving for Domino's 5 nights.

Quote from: ShayP on June 03, 2017, 09:55:38 PM
I am not a member of Club 19.5 yet I received an email.  I'll take it as a personal invitation from Hoagie. 

I didn't get the memo.  Could someone please share the 2 new shows either publicly or privately so I can catch up?

Quote from: (Sandman) Logan-5 on June 04, 2017, 11:36:58 PM
LOL - There's almost 30 scripts running on the player page. Whoever set up the talkstream page knew what they were doing as far as the js goes. Anyone that connects to that page has a web beacon follow them around the net. I won't use the players because they send your mac address to whoever is running the site / stream. That means you can be blocked from the stream unless you use a different device if they decide to black-list your device.

The beacons and spyware can be defeated by Ublock Origin and ScriptSafe or NoScript (depending on the browser).  But if you could point out the script with the MAC address code, I'd really like to see how they do that.

Quote from: zeebo on June 05, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
I think he sees himself as something grander than a typical scientist, a kind of free-thinking visionary not beholden to such rigid ways of viewing reality.  But it's odd - he insists he's got good data like any scientist would require, but then he dismisses that this data doesn't hold up to peer scrutiny, which is directly at odds with the scientific method.  

Genius is next to insanity.

Quote from: K_Dubb on June 05, 2017, 11:18:20 PM
Nah, he's just an old-fashioned fast-talking con man, like the duke and the dauphin in Huck Finn.  Quick but lazy, he's charmed and blustered his way through life, papering himself with bits of other people's frauds like one of those camouflaging insects.  Once in a while the mask will drop and he'll refer to himself deprecatingly as "your crazy host" or something like that, but his is an act, born of imagination, and I appreciate its art.

I think it's more like frustration with pervasive, organized suppression of the evidence that we are playing in the ruins of a great civilization which once spanned the solar system (of which "Forbidden Planet" is a thinly-disguised allegory.)  Despite what Kennedy said in that famous speech, we did not go the moon because it sounds like a fun challenge: that was a cover story every bit as ridiculous as "weapons of mass destruction" and "islamic terrorists attacked these buildings because they hate our freedoms." Some of us are just fed up with being lied to by the establishment on a continuous basis about practically everything.

https://youtu.be/oHxGQjirV-c?t=3h45m32s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWFnBGvMPo

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 05, 2017, 10:54:11 PM
Fraud would imply that he was intentionally trying to deceive and I don't think that's it at all. It's probably more like he's deluded himself into thinking he's an amateur scientist of sorts because of his work as a media consultant for NASA.

I have met native english speakers with Ph.D's who don't know basic english grammar and can't write or speak even half as well as Richard.  The bottom line is that anything a professor could teach you for hire you can learn on your own through research and observation.  Those who choose the latter method because they are pursuing truth instead of a high-paying job often deserve a title more than the former.  Hoagland has been threatened and harassed more than most people know, and that implies he is onto something worthwhile.  I once saw a manager from JPL get rather upset over things which Richard published that they were not ready to discuss in public.  The government's disclosure initiative moves at a snails pace, and this is by design.

Quote from: NΣФGΣФ on June 09, 2017, 01:23:51 AM
I didn't get the memo.  Could someone please share the 2 new shows either publicly or privately so I can catch up?
The beacons and spyware can be defeated by Ublock Origin and ScriptSafe or NoScript (depending on the browser).  But if you could point out the script with the MAC address code, I'd really like to see how they do that.
Genius is next to insanity.
I think it's more like frustration with pervasive, organized suppression of the evidence that we are playing in the ruins of a great civilization which once spanned the solar system (of which "Forbidden Planet" is a thinly-disguised allegory.)  Despite what Kennedy said in that famous speech, we did not go the moon because it sounds like a fun challenge: that was a cover story every bit as ridiculous as "weapons of mass destruction" and "islamic terrorists attacked these buildings because they hate our freedoms." Some of us are just fed up with being lied to by the establishment on a continuous basis about practically everything.

https://youtu.be/oHxGQjirV-c?t=3h45m32s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWFnBGvMPo

I have met native english speakers with Ph.D's who don't know basic english grammar and can't write or speak even half as well as Richard.  The bottom line is that anything a professor could teach you for hire you can learn on your own through research and observation.  Those who choose the latter method because they are pursuing truth instead of a high-paying job often deserve a title more than the former.  Hoagland has been threatened and harassed more than most people know, and that implies he is onto something worthwhile.  I once saw a manager from JPL get rather upset over things which Richard published that they were not ready to discuss in public.  The government's disclosure initiative moves at a snails pace, and this is by design.

If you are such an RCH fan, pay the $5 and join Club 19.5.

I have to agree that Hoagland is an extremely gifted public speaker--but as a writer, not so much. Here's part of his chapter in Richard Grossinger's book New Horizons for a Lost Horizon:

"This was the perfect coverâ€"in the 1950s world of perpetual Soviet pursuit of any and all technological supremacy over the Westâ€"for NASA's real, long-term covert mission:
To secretly ascertain ... from NASA's inception ... the full extent of (potential) military threats (or benefits) of these long-abandoned, ancient ET derelicts ... as well as those ancient surface installations still partially preserved on various planets and moons (Cydonia et al.); the surviving riches of an entire, astonishing Type II Civilization in our own backyardâ€"whose extraordinary legacy and scientific potential was only fully accepted (even within NASA) when Apollo astronauts fulfilled their real Kennedy Mission and clandestinely returned, beginning in 1969, unquestionable intelligently-designed and manufactured ET artifacts to Earthâ€"from the Moon."

That's all one sentence, folks.

Quote from: expat on June 09, 2017, 09:01:46 AM
I have to agree that Hoagland is an extremely gifted public speaker--but as a writer, not so much. Here's part of his chapter in Richard Grossinger's book New Horizons for a Lost Horizon:

"This was the perfect coverâ€"in the 1950s world of perpetual Soviet pursuit of any and all technological supremacy over the Westâ€"for NASA's real, long-term covert mission:
To secretly ascertain ... from NASA's inception ... the full extent of (potential) military threats (or benefits) of these long-abandoned, ancient ET derelicts ... as well as those ancient surface installations still partially preserved on various planets and moons (Cydonia et al.); the surviving riches of an entire, astonishing Type II Civilization in our own backyardâ€"whose extraordinary legacy and scientific potential was only fully accepted (even within NASA) when Apollo astronauts fulfilled their real Kennedy Mission and clandestinely returned, beginning in 1969, unquestionable intelligently-designed and manufactured ET artifacts to Earthâ€"from the Moon."

That's all one sentence, folks.

That has to be transcribed from extemporized speech rather than written, with the punctuation indicating pauses rather than grammatical constructions.

Quote from: K_Dubb on June 09, 2017, 09:14:29 AM
That has to be transcribed from extemporized speech rather than written, with the punctuation indicating pauses rather than grammatical constructions.

No--it's his style. He doesn't truly understand that writing and speaking are different talents. Here he is on Facebook, writing about Vesta (note the smiley faces at the end of many sentences):

"Measuring the LINEAR dimensions of these putative structures -- even near the limb -- is NOT the same as measuring their ANGULAR relationships.

You instantly solve the "is that a true 90-degree angle" problem, by ONLY considering "structures" near and around the "sub-spacecraft locations" of those objects (say, within ~100 miles of the center of this Vesta image).

There are SO MANY ~90-degree angles in that small region alone (!), that the "artificial model" is MORE than testable in that confined area ....

Since those measured "acute right angles" vary only gradually with increasing distance from the sub-spacecraft point, again -- within a few percent -- you don't need to worry about "geometrical corrections" ... if you confine your measurements to "around the center of this image."

Where, incidentally, the MOST interesting "structures" seem to be ... on the very "south polar mountain" that defines the axis of rotation!

In fact, the more one examines THAT restricted geometry, the more that "mountain" is looking like the remains of "a VERY immense, polar axis PYRAMID" ....

This is going to get VERY interesting, even in the next few days ... as I will be describing tonight, on "Coast."

Quote from: expat on June 09, 2017, 10:03:59 AM
No--it's his style. He doesn't truly understand that writing and speaking are different talents. Here he is on Facebook, writing about Vesta (note the smiley faces at the end of many sentences):

"Measuring the LINEAR dimensions of these putative structures -- even near the limb -- is NOT the same as measuring their ANGULAR relationships.

You instantly solve the "is that a true 90-degree angle" problem, by ONLY considering "structures" near and around the "sub-spacecraft locations" of those objects (say, within ~100 miles of the center of this Vesta image).

There are SO MANY ~90-degree angles in that small region alone (!), that the "artificial model" is MORE than testable in that confined area ....

Since those measured "acute right angles" vary only gradually with increasing distance from the sub-spacecraft point, again -- within a few percent -- you don't need to worry about "geometrical corrections" ... if you confine your measurements to "around the center of this image."

Where, incidentally, the MOST interesting "structures" seem to be ... on the very "south polar mountain" that defines the axis of rotation!

In fact, the more one examines THAT restricted geometry, the more that "mountain" is looking like the remains of "a VERY immense, polar axis PYRAMID" ....

This is going to get VERY interesting, even in the next few days ... as I will be describing tonight, on "Coast."

Oh dear.  Yeah you're right, he's trying to infuse his writing with in-person charisma.  It's a struggle.

Quote from: GravitySucks on June 08, 2017, 10:43:30 PM
K_Dubb.  Here is some inspiration.

Quote from: expat on June 09, 2017, 09:01:46 AM
I have to agree that Hoagland is an extremely gifted public speaker--but as a writer, not so much. Here's part of his chapter in Richard Grossinger's book New Horizons for a Lost Horizon:

That's all one sentence, folks.

Hmm... is that the entire (unedited) statement?

Quote from: GravitySucks on June 09, 2017, 02:05:34 AM
If you are such an RCH fan, pay the $5 and join Club 19.5.

1.  You quoted a whole screen full of text and graphics just to say THAT?  You're either lazy or purposely being a nuisance.

2.  Why should I go to the trouble of subscribing when I only need two shows?  Don't be an ass.

3.  Well I'm obviously NOT a fan if I am asking that, right?  I am simply an interested party who is not hostile, because I think he truly believes in what he is doing (unlike some other hosts such as George Noory who are totally insincere and nothing but popularity hounds.)  I don't like when Richard frequently interrupts the guest â€" or when he demands they go into long explanations of things we already know, just for the benefit of a theoretical "broader audience" (as if they can't use the internet and there isn't enough lamestream media already.)  Sometimes he does seem a little uptight and maybe he just needs to have a timeout with 'puff the magic dragon' before he goes on the air.  But I also don't like when people fill up discussion forums with pointless play-by-play commentary on every show (you know, the kind of ephemeral offhand remarks which belong on IRC.)  That's not a dig at anyone in particular here but it is why I typically visit this place only when I need more information about a show that interests me.  This forum has nearly 4000 pages but only a few core members stick around because a handful of bad actors have turned it into an asynchronous chat room that's full of shitposts.

Quote from: CronkitesGhost on June 08, 2017, 11:34:05 PM
why is he only doing 2 nights a week? probably driving for Domino's 5 nights.

Radio actually does involve planning and a fair amount of preparatory work.  It's better to have two good shows a week than five mediocre ones.  I think a lot of radio programs would benefit from several days off, or even rotating hosts.  But I am not convinced it's a good idea to go up against Coast on the weekends: a lot of people who can't stand George Noory ONLY listen to Coast on weekends because he is not hosting.

Is the podcast back active or is he still just collecting free money from 19.5 club that never unsubscribed.

I'm surprised that Hoagland doesn't have the number one radio show in the nation. What with him saving Jimmy Carter's life and all. You're a hero, Hoagland.

Quote from: NΣФGΣФ on June 09, 2017, 01:23:51 AM

I have met native english speakers with Ph.D's who don't know basic english grammar and can't write or speak even half as well as Richard.  The bottom line is that anything a professor could teach you for hire you can learn on your own through research and observation.  Those who choose the latter method because they are pursuing truth instead of a high-paying job often deserve a title more than the former.  Hoagland has been threatened and harassed more than most people know, and that implies he is onto something worthwhile.  I once saw a manager from JPL get rather upset over things which Richard published that they were not ready to discuss in public.  The government's disclosure initiative moves at a snails pace, and this is by design.

You can build your vocabulary listening to Richard.  Even if you have a rough idea of the definition, with practice they can become part of your vocabulary. Some examples from his return episode:
Metanymic adv. a figure of speech in which a thing or concept is referred to by the name of something closely associated with that thing or concept.
Lineal adj. relating to or consisting of a line

Kerfluffle n. commotion, controversy, or fuss

Esplanade - a long, open, level area, usually next to a river or large body of water, where people may walk.

cause célèbre - is an issue or incident arousing widespread controversy, outside campaigning, and heated public debate.

Explicative adj. explanatory; interpretive.

Disparaging â€" adj. expressing the opinion that something is of little worth; derogatory.

Interstitial - space between structures or objects

Transom - the flat surface forming the stern of a vessel

Fibber McGee’s closet â€" from a radio show Fibber McGee and Molly where Fibber’s overstuffed closet would spill open with clutter

Vehemently â€" adv. in a forceful, passionate, or intense manner; with great feeling.

metaplot: The overarching story line that binds together events in a story

Quote from: nooryisawesomeâ,,¢ on June 09, 2017, 02:38:15 PM
Is the podcast back active or is he still just collecting free money from 19.5 club that never unsubscribed.

From looking at the OSOM website, it looks as though subscribers will have around the clock access to these newer, weekend programs. 

Quote from: NΣФGΣФ on June 09, 2017, 02:17:05 PM
Radio actually does involve planning and a fair amount of preparatory work.  It's better to have two good shows a week than five mediocre ones.

Have you ever actually listened to his show? 

Quote from: NΣФGΣФ on June 09, 2017, 02:17:05 PM
Hmm... is that the entire (unedited) statement?

Yes

Quote from: NΣФGΣФ on June 09, 2017, 02:17:05 PM

a lot of people who can't stand George Noory ONLY listen to Coast on weekends because he is not hosting.

Could be.  Speaking for myself, I'd rather listen to Richard then any of those weekend Coast hosts.