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also... the structural steel was covered with fireproofing. That would also reduce the ability of fire to cause any kind of melting.

Quote from: pate on September 03, 2017, 02:53:44 PM
What about a blast-furnace setup with kerosene?  That is why I wrote:

On the assumption that maybe, somehow some sort of chimney effect created a blast-furnace (elevator shafts, hallways etc).  That would then lead to the question of how much kerosene/av-gas do you need to feed this "blast-furnace" for long enough to melt enough steel to get the events to jibe with the official narrative?  That is working on the assumption that a kerosene/av-gas fired blast-furnace can indeed get hot enough to melt steel.

The simplest outcome for this line of questioning is that you cannot create a kerosene blast furnace capable of achieving temperatures that will liquefy steel.  Once you establish that (sort of like proving a negative) you need to demonstrate that it was say the vast quantities of magnesium alloyed steel office furniture or power tools that managed to ignite that melted the steel.  Something had to get to the temperature that steel goes molten, what material and how?  I will accept a kerosene blast-furnace as the answer, but do not know that to be possible.

And I am too intellectually lazy to try to find some youtube video of a kerosene blast-furnace used to melt steel, do my homework for me please.

No conditions were not like a blast furnace.  The fire was pushing out lots of smoke, so it was not hot enough.  If it were hot enough to melt steel, there wouldn't have been all the smoke.   I also believe most of the av gas was burned in the fireballs created at impact when the fuel vapourized.

Quote from: pate on September 03, 2017, 02:09:02 PM
I watched a documentary on this stuff the other day.  It raised some interesting points.

Kerosene doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel (av-gas is essentially kerosene).  Neither does coal, but in a blast-furnace you can do it.  Is it possible to use kerosene in a blast furnace to achieve temperatures high enough to get molten steel?

There's other points raised in the thing that I found interesting as well but I don't feel like speculating about it really.

I find the idea that it might have been an "inside-job" by the government to be disheartening.  I'd have to see some sort of concrete evidence of something like that.

I accept the possibility that there might very well be something to the whole scenario of a cover-up, what the exact nature of what might be hidden I don't know.

Speculation on that could range from the mundane to world-shattering.  There are certainly enough details to warrant keeping the door open on this.

If it's raving lunatics barking at the moon, what harm?  If there actually is something to discover, again what harm?

Since I am lazy, I will sit back and watch to see what "THEY" come up with, it could be interesting.

I just hope it is something cool like Sasquatch or Aliens, not mundane like covering up a failed investment scheme involving icebergs being towed to desert areas with the intent to set up banana or strawberry farms involving multiple world governments (that's lame).

Shine on you crazy diamonds!

No. an open air kerosene/aviation fuel  fire cannot get hot enough to melt steel.  Yet NIST claimed molten metal (colored orange) photographed that was dripping down the towers was aluminum.  .... and again the problem with that explanation from NIST is that molten aluminum is silver colored, not orange.

yes. the ejecting beams seem to contradict a simple pancaking of floors.   I still haven't found an explanation for the pools of molten metal found in the rubble in the basement a month after the towers collapsed.

LOL what a show.  Fucking retard water.

Quote from: Juan Cena on August 28, 2017, 10:51:07 PM
I had heard Buzz was supposed to go first, but Armstrong pulled rank.

It was because of how the hatch opened, and their respective positions inside the LEM,  is how I have heard the story told.

Quote from: expat on August 28, 2017, 03:46:18 PM
That's more like it, yes. He had the necessary nerves of steel to pull off that hairy landing with 20sec of fuel left, but in terms of PR he was almost the worst choice among active astronauts at the time.

Exactly this.  Although I would say he was the worst, not almost.     

Quote from: CronkitesGhost on August 28, 2017, 02:38:24 AM
Perogies belong to a bunch of Slav countries including Poland, Ukraine and Slovakia. All the Polish people I know talk endlessly about mom and grandma's perogies. The European map has been drawn over carved up so many times, western part of Ukraine became part of Poland post WWI. Perogies I think are both their national comfort peasant food.

I know this already.  I just have never heard anyone from the deep south ever mention perogies or cabbage rolls etc.  before  LOL

Quote from: GravitySucks on August 27, 2017, 11:59:58 PM
Unless the bay decides to flood should be ok. Just a minor leak around my chimney so far. Lots of friends lost everything. Friends along the bayou probably lost the wakeboard boat and/or boathouse I had built. Water got at least 12'+ in Dickinson Bayou which is slightly higher than Ike.

My grandmother would trim the fat off pork chops and then fry up that pork for snacking. While the kids were snacking on that she would fry up her rye bread in the renderings.

Last month my siblings met up for the day and we got our kids together to pass on the pierogi making duties to the next generation.

Made homemade noodles with the extra dough and fried them up with breadcrumps and butter. Simple pleasures from simple memories.

Perogies?  where are you located?  that's Ukrainian food.

Holy Fuck.. enough Trump derangement.

it's a bunch of bullshit,  LOL

Quote from: 21st Century Man on August 24, 2017, 03:37:57 AM
LOL.  I love hearing them complain about Trump always golfing.  Where were those criticisms during the Obama presidency?  My, what short memories!  Frankly, I could care less whether either of them golfed often.  It's a nice way to unwind and release tension though I've never been an avid golfer.

I work in the golf business.  Since '92   Yes, golf is a good getaway from the world.  Good exercise for the body and brain.

As for Obama and Trump golfing...  Obama golfing likely cost the taxpayer more money than Trump golfing, as I suspect Trump plays at HIS golf courses mainly.  Trump's golfing likely costs the taxpayer fuck all except for the security detail following him around.  It would all be on his own dime...out of his own pocket, where any revenue loss to the club, or inconvenience to members playing is all on him, for closing while the president plays golf.   ....whereas Obama would have played as a guest, and everything would have been comp'd  at the expense of taxpayers or the golf club(members) picking up the tab.  That is the difference as I see it.

As a golfer... if I was ever offered to play with either of them,  I would choose to play with Trump. He is apparently a decent golfer, has a fairly good golf swing, and plays to a low handicap)
I think I would enjoy the 5 hours of banter, playing on a top rate quality course...  win a decent wager on the game   and enjoy a great meal after the game. Likely get treated like a VIP too.

I would not like to play with Obama. It would be awful.  He has a terrible swing, and is a terrible golfer. (has a high handicap.)   5 hours  in the company of that commie bastard, and I would likely be wanting to bury a 9 iron into his skull.  I imagine playing at a crappy course, a lot of complaining, blaming, cheating and lying coming from him.  The conversation would be horrible, if any at all...  I'd likely have to pay for the drinks from the beer cart, because he'd say he didn't bring his wallet... and he'd likely welch and stiff me on the wager on the game.  There would be no meal after, as I'd be the fuck outta there. LOL   

Trump may even be the best golfer of all the prior Presidents, according to their handicaps.   LOL I am sure that will make Liberal heads explode too.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on August 24, 2017, 03:16:00 AM
That is what I kept saying when Obama kept going to cities to make campaign speeches  for himself and others during his Presidency.  Enjoy! 

LOL I just love the cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy of the left. LOL

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on August 23, 2017, 03:09:51 PM
They weren't left wing terrorists. Unless of course you think the millions who died in WW2 fighting Nazism were also left wing terrorists. And the KKK and nazis have a point?

LOL  you are equating Antifa leftards with those who actually fought the Nazis in WWII?  LOL  too funny. 

Quote from: astroguy on August 23, 2017, 12:50:43 PM
How do you know what the replays are?  I can't find bupkiss on his FB page nor his new website.  I'm trying to fill in the 2017 catalog in my recordings because of various software issues.  I even missed the eclipse one because I was trying to get back from Wyoming ... and my next podcast episode is going to be about modern eclipse pseudoscience!

I listen to the Las vegas radio feed on Winamp player... and they have the guest and topic in the scroll info on the winamp player.

good replay tonight.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on August 22, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
This fundamentalist virus as you call it waxes and wanes in its visibility but jihad and world domination are essential pillars of the faith.  What you see as spiritual succor, most of us 21st century infidels regard as a spiritual, political and intellectual tyranny.  Any diversity of thought since the Suni/Shiite schism has been met with brutal repression.  Ever hear of an Islamic Reformed Mosque?  That's all just fine with me except when their 14th Century beliefs become a threat to western civilization in general and my Country in particular.  This is not just an abstract polemic for me and many others.

Fuck Islam.  They aren't a threat to western civilization, they are just a major annoyance right now.  When the west finally decides it has had enough of this fucking around, Islam will be wiped off the planet. The west has to first eliminate the deep state establishment, who has been preventing the wiping out of Islam, as they are making money from the shitfest they created. 

The list of shit the Clintons have on everyone in the establishment must be mind boggling, as that's the only way they could possibly avoid any kind of prosecution. 

The chicken didn't see it's shadow,  so 8 more weeks of summer.   All Hail Landru. 

LOL bigfoot and lizard man tied to the eclipse.  Jesus tapdancing Christ. LOL

Braaaaaps... is this live?

Left wing Liberal Progressives only claim being libertarian when outside the company of other Liberal Progressives.  They are trying and in some aspect succeeding in infiltrating the Libertarian movement.

Fucking lazy bastard, Hoagie.  Can't even show up 2 days a week.

Infowars is very good with citing the sources of their stories. They also do much more comprehensive research on topics than does the mainstream media...who do little, to no research.

http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/hwndu-season-5-launched/

LOL

Braaaaaaaaps

"the layers of torsion field dynamics from the sun and the moon during the eclipse..."   LOL   the layers of bullshit you mean.

Braaaaps

Quote from: ZaZa on August 12, 2017, 04:46:26 PM
THIS IS SO DISTURBING AND SO SO SAD

the poop is the driver was a leftard antifa, who took daddy's Dodge for a rip.  He thought the people were Trump supporters.   LOL

can you please change mine from Schlyder7  to...     

  =Schlyder= 

thanks.