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Quote from: Roswells, Art on November 14, 2016, 08:44:03 PM

Also if you aren't Japanese or don't speak it you sound like a poser putting 'desu' at the end of everything you say.

Nihongo o hanashimasu desu!

Quote from: HLF on November 14, 2016, 08:38:52 PM
lol, renaming site is not a bad idea.

How about cockgrease.com?

Quote from: albrecht on November 07, 2016, 11:02:52 PM
Lest I defend, I agree with you. Every company, even non retail, hedges against "shrinkage." It sucks because you, the customer, pays for it. But it is what it is. The liabilities of aggressively "going after" people is worse though. But the risk analysis of some greeter guy asking for a receipt might be ok but going aggressively after, even an ACTUAL shop-lifter, is ridiculous. Bring in trained theft-protection staff, and even then, with caution and no threats or escalation or claims. But the greeter or regular employee should just alert others if there is a situation and not escalate. Bizarre.

Agreed. Company policy deals with theft the way it does for good reasons, as you outlined.   Shrinkage is built into their business models, and figured out by very smart people, to a very fine degree of accuracy. Walmart isn't a mom and pop retail outlet.

Quote from: HAUnted TEXan on November 06, 2016, 01:14:11 PM
  Never worked at "Wally World" and, thankfully, in a position where I will never have to. My point was, which you missed for whatever reason, that there are so many aspects of an individual business that you are not aware of, or entitled to.

Those aspects aren't my problem as a customer. My only concern is how they treat me, and especially my 70 year old mother. We've upheld our part of the bargain being honest and courteous customers, and received honest courteous service from associates for over 20 years without any problems. Until a week ago.

QuoteOutside pressures from the police threatening to no longer respond to every Walmart issue that arises may have put intense pressure on management causing, as usual, over reactions from middle management that can cause normally fair and rational folks now working for minimum wage to follow those asinine instructions in hope of bringing the shit to an end. Not sure if you are a bad guy or not, but you do seem to have abusive issues with anyone who has an opinion other than yours.... That must make interesting family dinners, video please?

Again, if Walmart can't conduct their business properly, it's their problem to deal with internally, not draging the customers into it. Many other lesser retailers in the same locations are able to successfully deal with these issues. And the police have taken notice, even when accounting for larger Walmart customer volumes. Walmart has greater resources to deal with such problems than any other retailer in the world, if they choose to do so. If they want to enlist me the customer as part of a solution. They can compensate me for it, in a number of ways. Base "low prices" they post isn't remuneration. They get low prices due to scales of economy. Being Capitalist they in turn sell merchandise at a price the market will bear. Retailers can get better margins on some items than others due to what the marked will bear, and how many units they commit to purchasing from manufactures.

All their merchandise is insured for breakage and loss. Whats not covered by insurance, they write off on their taxes as a loss. As I recall on average only 1% - 3% of customers are thieves, so 99% - 97% of customers are honest. The majority of theft that occurs in retail comes from the employees, not the customers. Even if Walmart succeeded at stopping 100% of customer shoplifting. The majority of stolen merchandise/property would still be walking out the back door, due to their associates. Harassing customers as they leave the store isn't a very effective way to reduce shrink. However it is cheep. Especially when most people don't know how retail, economics, or their rights work. 

Just because they MIGHT be having internal problems doesn't give them the right, legally or otherwise to involve unwitting customers. I have no idea why anyone would think they do. I really don't understand why you think I was being disrespectful to the greeter. I was within the bounds of law asserting our Rights, I was equally stern as he was, but polite throughout the brief exchange. Had he not initiated the interaction with us in an aggressive manner, starting with him demanding a receipt. Then implying we have stole from the store. It would have been a different encounter altogether, for both parties involved.

Look at it this way, if you want to play the disrespect card. I maintain he was far more disrespectful. Why? Look at how he treated a 70 year old female customer, who was 10 years his senior. Questioning, or not automatically complying with appeals from authority, especially where there is none, isn't being disrespectful. In real life I try to automatically show respect, until someone gives me cause not to respect them. If you think we the customer were being disrespectful, I'm not sure you know what that word means. Sorry.

Even if he as a greeter has solid proof of theft, it isn't his job to confront or detain them, per company policy. Implying theft without solid proof certainly isn't in his job description, or him "following company policy." Such actions outlined above can endanger his personal safety, or open the company up to a lawsuit in multiple ways. Claiming someone is a thief in real life is very serious allegation to make as a business. Especially if you as an individual are acting as an agent for a company with deep pockets, like Walmart. Being wrong can be far more costly than what a customer could actually steal, not only in financial terms but how the community sees Walmart and its associates conducting themselves.

You seem think we are the dysfunctional type of people you see on COPS. Solely because we don't share details of our private financial business dealing, or statements, with anyone who demands to see our papers. Especially once our business has been concluded. Our state law says once a retailer excepts payment for purchased merchandise that transaction is complete, and doesn't require receipt on our part as proof. If I truly were that dysfunctional and abusive with people who had differing opinions than mine in real life. I believe that would have been detected long ago, during professional interviews and test. Which in turn would have kept me from getting and keeping a security clearance, which is a necessity with my employer. However you are free to think what you want.


Walmart is the world's largest company by revenue, according to the Fortune Global 500 list in 2016, as well as the largest private employer in the world with 2.2 million employees. Walmart is a family-owned business, as the company is controlled by the Walton family. By 1988, Walmart was the most profitable retailer in the U.S. and by October 1989, it had become the largest in terms of revenue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walmart

Quote from: HAUnted TEXan on November 04, 2016, 07:36:44 AM
I am pretty sure Walmart will not miss you.... And I hope nobody ever disrespects your elderly parents for actually doing the job their employer requires them to do. Pretty sure your unjustifiable hatred of people that do their jobs will catch up to you. We may even see it on the next episode of "Cops"....

We now know you work as a Walmart associate.

We're not trying to hurt Walmart by not shopping there anymore. We're not shopping there anymore because they can't show us the same respect we afford them, it's that simple. Had we not been pressed for time we would have went to the returns department, and got a refund for our legally purchased products before departing.

Yeah, I hoped Walmart employs would never disrespect my 70 year old mother. Over 50 years of shopping as an adult without a hitch. Shes a small elderly lady with health problems, whom predators would see as an easy target. I've taken her shopping for many years to insure that doesn't happen. It never really crossed my mind that I would have any problems with Walmart associates. 20 plus years without any problems reinforced that notion.

Look at it this way, between both of us shopping at Walmart for over 20 years at least once a week. Lets do some math on that (20*52=1,040). Twenty years of shopping, at least one visit a week at Walmart equals, One thousand and forty visits minimum, or 2,080 visits for each of us combined. Nary a problem, with anyone, ever, associates or customers. Your logic is we are the problem, and not one over zealous associate?...mmmkay.

Simple common sense customer service dictates don't initiate an interaction with a customer in an aggressive, confrontational, or demanding manner. He was the one who chose to initiate in a confrontational manner, not us. Walmart company policy disallows dressed out associates working the floor from confronting suspected customers/shoplifters, that is a job for security. He could have simply asked nicely "Can I see your receipt?" We reply "No thanks." and that would have been the end of it. Had he suspected us of stealing he could have used his radio to call security, manager, asset protection, and let them do their jobs. The reason he didn't... thats also on him. They didn't detain us in the parking lot for a reason, no grounds. He just wanted to play the intimidate, insinuate, humiliate, manipulate head game, so we would waive our rights. It didn't work. He lost face, got mad and banned us. Simple as that.     

As for hating someone who does their job, nonsense. I've worked retail, and other jobs that requires dealing with the public, I can empathize. When doing business with anyone I'm always courteous, as that produces much better outcomes for both parties 99.9% of the time, it's common sense and decency. We know Walmart treats and pays most of its associates like shit, they don't need our shit on top of it. However turnabout is fair play. They don't get to treat us like shit because their employer treats them poorly or they are having a bad day. We don't harbor any ill will toward the associate who acted inappropriately. We were shocked or dumbfounded if anything. We think he was having a bad day, was poorly trained, or let the authority go to his head. Or some combination of the three. Who knows? I do know his behavior was out of line with Walmarts company policy, common sense customer service, common courtesy.

As far as seeing me or my 70 year old mother on COPS I doubt it. At least as long as we stay within the bounds of law. Acting like decent respectful citizens, asserting the rights given us by state and federal governments. You can dream though.

Generally I know my rights, and when I'm on the right side of the law. I've dealt with over zealous law enforcement the same way I did the greeter, several times in my life. Once they get/act pissed and try to provoke a reaction, so they can make an arrest. I smile. Because I know they don't have a case, and are on a fishing expedition. At that point, I tell them "I don't consent to this contact any longer." "I'm not saying anything else." "Am I free to go?" Which in turn actually pisses half of them off. They know the game is up. They have to make charges and arrest me, or let me go. Unless they have a solid case things can go just as badly for them as me.

I would think a good God fearing, Republican, Texan, like yourself would advocate for personal responsibility, and upholding citizens legal Rights. Letting someone shirk personal responsibility for their actions, or depriving others of their Rights using mantras like "I'm just doing my job." "It's company policy." "I'm following orders" isn't acceptable as an excuse. They are hiding their own lack of professionalism, and disregard for The Rule of Law behind such statements, pure and simple. Believing otherwise is specious reasoning. Excepting that kind of lazy behavior is eroding, and endangering The Rule of Law. Which we all purport to live by. All for the sake of a small pittance. 

Your fact free, emotionally manipulative, rant trying to paint me as a bad guy who disrespects elders for "just doing their job, and following company policy" is specious bullshit, pure and simple. I'm sorry you are a self-loathing shitkicker, stuck working for Walmart.

May your life be full of everyday low prices.

Quote from: Humilia Lepus Foramen on November 03, 2016, 09:50:55 PM
Liberals attempting to slut shame Melania lol.  PATRIARCHY!!!

She is no slut, giving it away for free!
Her invoice was was stuck on shipping crate Donald had her shipped in. 

Quote from: Paper*Boy on November 03, 2016, 08:05:03 PM
I haven't shown my receipt to anyone at the door since I found out I was not legally required to do so.  So far no one has even questioned my breezy ''no, thanks'' as I stroll past them. 

Each time, I hoped that day would be the day I would get to say ''well, call the cops, but they need to get here before I walk to the car and drive off''

We stopped complying over five years ago also. Never had any problems with any checker letting us go on our way unimpeded. I would let them see my receipt if the theft alarm went off, and I wasn't in a hurry. I might also let them see my receipt if I came from the back of the store with a big ticket item, but I don't really buy electronics at Walmart. I can get better products at better prices online.

Well we got to live your dream. Feels good, bro!

On a more serious note. The old man let his rent-a-cop/greeter job go to his head, and was pushing the bounds of his actual authority. He was walking a fine line, we called him on his bullshit, because we knew better. He was only succeeding at getting Walmart sued, and being promoted to customer. 

Quote from: Billy Joe Mulgreavey on November 03, 2016, 04:54:49 PM
Wow.  You handled it much better than I could have.  Let us know how it goes when you return and say 'hi' to the old man. 

That would be foolish. Anything could happen, from nothing to felony trespassing charges. I have no idea what narrative was spun to the manager, or if s/he agreed and upheld that narrative after we left.

I made my mind up not to do business with them the second he made the empty threat to call the cops on us. So the ban is moot. Besides if I really need to shop at Walmart again, I'll just go to the one across the street.

They have so many people banned or trespassed they can't keep up with them all. About the only time you could be caught is if you get caught stealing, or someone who was directly involved in the banning remembers you, then they'll tell you to leave, or call the police have you arrested and press trespass charges. Fuck'em if thats how they want to treat their honest customers.

We used to comply with the receipt check every time they asked. Until one day after being checked, we loaded up the the car, and went home. While putting up the Walmart haul, it struck me, we might not have paid for a 12 pack of soft drinks. We looked at the receipt, sure enough we didn't pay for it. OH SHIT! The receipt nazi missed it too! Now what?

This incident gave us three important bits of information as a takeaway. We previously talked about how the checks were so fast they couldn't catch anything and were bullshit, it was mostly security theater. That notion seemed to pan out in this particular instance. However if by some chance they actually did catch the error... Then what? Would they see it as an honest mistake, or accuse us of shoplifting? Now you are at the whim of people whos company treats and pays them like shit. Good luck. After the great getaway, we stopped putting stuff under the cart, and double checked making sure everything made it onto the conveyor belt. 

We tried to rectify the debt a week later. We told the cashier we accidentally didn't pay for soda last week, would she be so kind and charge us twice for the 12 pack this week. She looked at us like a baby arm sprouted out of our foreheads, then smiled and said "Thats okay don't worry about it." We insisted on paying. Her smile grew larger, and in a very gracious tone said "Nooo! Really, it's okay. Don't worry about it!" We apologized for our error, then thanked her for understanding and kindness. And everyone lived happily evar after.

The Great Wall-Mart.

Shop there for over 20 years never had a problem. Until the other day. Wait in line for 20 minutes to be checked out. Cashier finally rings us up, walking out the door. Out of nowhere a "Door Greeter" demands to see our receipt. In a loud assertive tone he said "You need to show me your RECEIPT!" Taken aback by the demand I curtly replied "No, I don't." and kept on walking. He stepped forward within 2 feet of us and raised his hands, I thought he was going to grab me or the shopping cart. I swerved to ensure i didn't hit him maintaining our original distance of 3 feet. Then the geezer got louder and used an aggressive tone repeating "YOU NEED TO SHOW ME YOUR RECEIPT!" I responded in kind "NO! I DON'T!" and kept on walking out the door. He then replied "YOU NEED TO STOP, OR I'LL CALL THE POLICE!" This statement pissed me off, I stopped halfway out the double doors turned my head back and asked "Sir, are you detaining us? What have we done wrong?" The exchange continues...

Greeter: <Loudly and angrily bellowed out> "You have merchandise in the cart not in bags, thats suspicious! You won't show me your receipt that even more suspicious! I think you're stealing!"

Me: Sir, I've paid in full for all of MY merchandise! As for the products not in bags, the cashier asked us if we wanted the 3 one gallon jugs of water in a bag. We replied "No". The giant 22 Pound bag of cat food you don't supply bags big enough to put it in. We've walked out these same doors for over 8 years without bags for these exact items without any problems, until today. You have no right to seize and search us without proof that we've stolen from the store. You can suspect, believe, or think anything you want. The burden of proof for those allegations falls on you, not me. NOW, PROVE IT ! 

Greeter: SHOW ME YOUR RECEIPT AND I CAN!

Me: Sir, my transaction with this store is complete once it excepted my payment. I'm not compelled by state law to prove ownership of my property to anyone without a warrant. If you can prove any wrong doing detain us and CALL THE LAW! If you don't believe me, ask the cashier, watch the video, pull up the original copy of the transaction at the POS. I'll be on my way now!

Greeter: It's company policy that if you shop here you agree to show me your receipt! Company policy says that anything not in bags is suspicious, it also states if you don't show a receipt on request you can be banned. I'm just doing my job, you will get me fired if I don't see your receipt.

Me: Sir, I didn't sign any agreement to that effect, nor have I seen this policy written anywhere. How are we bound by an agreement we didn't even know existed? It's not my obligation or responsibility to help you, or give you the tools to do your job properly. That is the companies responsibility. I'm sorry the largest retailer in the world won't pay for those tools. It only sees fit to train you to Intimidate, threaten, manipulate, and humiliate it's customers into waiving their rights.  <Start walking out the door>

Greeter: YOUR BANNED, DON'T COME BACK!!!

Me: FINE! GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! CALL THE LAW IF I'VE DONE ANYTHING WRONG! 

Dokyun

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Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 02:11:04 PM
...and your point is
I guess I hit the cord with you -what is so offensive -or do you feel guilty of something -if you have need to confess your sins do it now
before it's too late 

Point made.

Dokyun... sigh

Dokyun!

uhhh... yeah... you really got Carl on the ropes, cause he don't know what Cosmos is... hur dur.  :

Prove any part of those walls of text you churned out, that I didn't read.
No. It's not up to me to disprove your extraordinary claims.
The onus is always on the person who is making the claim to prove said claim.
Otherwise you are simply spinning a... Reassuring Fable.     

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EQDhtVl_50


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovZOKyGtdSQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBCFQtDLPA0

Quote from: albrecht on October 26, 2016, 07:46:57 PM
Yeah, and a lot of that Saudi spending is via kick-backs deals from British and USA companies and government policy. I would almost agree with it if it really benefited the average American tax-payer but so much is going to defend OTHER people's borders, big corporations, and so many contractors, lawyers, and lobbyists in the DC area. N.Va is filled with offices for folks milking off the "national security" teat. Sure there are some jobs created but at what cost? But if the government really cared about foreign threats or national security wouldn't the first thing a sane entity would do would be secure our borders? Double-check on VISA holders who over-stayed? Vett some Muslim coming in without ID as a 'refugee'? Or act on intelligence known about threats given to us by foreign agencies or even our OWN agencies but don't due to political correctness, or worse? But we don't so....Eisenhower was likely correct.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 26, 2016, 01:46:02 PM
Bloated defense budget?  Are you fucking serious?  We have hollowed out our military.  The size of our navy has been reduced to 1916 levels.  Our nuclear arsenal needs to be modernized.  What the fuck are you talking about?

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 26, 2016, 10:08:00 PM
Yeah, that's because we act as the military of other nations such as Japan, Germany, South Korea and other countries.  Get back with me when we no longer have that responsibility.

Yeah... if frogs could sprout wings, they wouldn't bump their butts every time they land. Get back with me when they sprout wings.

Themz the numbers as they are without any narrative or talking points on my part. Move the goal post, or argue with them all you want. Until then some of us attempt to deal with facts, for better or worse. I'll let Lawrence attempt sort out the rest for me.

Fire up dat bubble machine, Lawrence!! Uh ONE an-uh TWO...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg

Dat maff...

Whur I live wuz once at the heart of dozens of stars...
Whur I live will be ate up by the sun one day...
Climate iz gonna climatez.

Long az u got Jeezus, gunz, an wimmenz... all dat maff an sci-ants iz crap. 'Merica!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E

Quote from: damon on October 22, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
A mystery book

Three Chickens Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Quote from: MichaelHorn on October 21, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
You're out of ammunition - for a long time - you're just the last to know it.

Sorry, gotta take calls and emails, etc. Weep amongst yourselves...losers.

Yeah...
When I have those things to do, I do them.
Not wasting time announcing it on forums.
You know, like most busy people, who have real jobs and lives.
OH wait...

Quote from: Chocolate coated jackboot on October 21, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Art really lucked out by getting the world's nicest stalker.
1. When the wheels came off 20 minutes into the first show and Art stepped back in to bail her out, the stalker kindly turned the other way and let Art take a retirement mulligan.  You're average obsessed nut would have flown into a rage thinking they were mocking him

2. He stuck to his word and left Art alone when he left the show. Most stalkers escalate til they're caught or there's some horrific confrontation but with ths guy a deals a deal

3. Rather than be outraged at Art's outspokenness on Facebook posts, he lets him vent to his randomly-capitalized heart's content

4. Magnanimous stalker allows Art to do liners and ad space for his... er Heaths show.

Quote from: trostol on October 21, 2016, 03:38:34 PM
man most of the commentators on his webpage are super suck ups lol

Quote from: Chocolate coated jackboot on October 21, 2016, 01:06:22 PM
How likely is it that the stalker would just give up and call it a day once his/her demands were met, instead of escalating the situation?

Most civil and rational serial shooter evar. In fact it would seem Art was confident of the shooting stalker being rational. Confident enough to take his child out into the snow. A child who was terrorized, weeping in the corner of her room days earlier by the shooter.

All that snow lights the world up at night, making for much easier target acquisition. I reckon it was a bonus the stalker was a piss poor shot, couldn't even hit anything on a sprawling compound with multiple attempts. OH! It could have been a firecracker... Ummkay.

Sounding like Art chased a shadow person around his compound loaded for bear moar than once.  :

Y'all believe what'cha want... But at the end of the day...
It's just the confessions of a serial quitter...
Take them for what theyz worth.