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Quote from: theONE on October 29, 2016, 11:01:37 AM
I'm not product of evolution..maybe you are. I was created by Almighty Creator GOD.

I suppose she must have been having an off-day when she came up with you. I hope you kept the receipt.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 29, 2016, 03:17:14 PM
What is Dr MD MD actually a doctor of?

He was a tree surgeon, but had to quit because he couldn't bear the sight of sap. Now he's a full-time post-whore. The MD stands for 'Massive Dickhead'.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 29, 2016, 07:47:56 AM
You guys should fight him then. Maybe you don't want to because of the 10:1 military superiority they have over you or maybe you're just a nation of spineless, sycophantic royalty worshipers. Dunno. Don't care.

For someone who posts their worthless opinions 27/7 on here one would think you must, simply by the law of averages, say something passably sensible occasionally. Well, I'm an optimist and still haven't given up hope. If you weren't such a parochial numbskull you might realise how silly you look. If you didn't care you wouldn't say anything in the first place, poppet.

Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 12:46:03 PM
EVOLUTION has no logical explanation [and it never will] how the first evolutionary process started.
Evolutionist just picked point somewhere in the middle and started to elaborate on it,...no - let's start from the beginning and see if your
[evolutionist's] theory holds any water ,.. NO it does not !!! 

The fact that we can't explain how it started doesn't mean that we don't know how the process went on over time, because we have abundant evidence for it. Even religious types - well, a lot of them - concede that the world wasn't created in six days and that the Earth isn't six thousand years old. Evolution is a fact, however you want to pretend it isn't. You sound like you don't have the faintest idea what Darwinian natural selection is anyway, otherwise you wouldn't sound so clueless.

You are a product of evolution. You grab at an explanation for the world, however lame, because you have that genetically coded in you. Being able to make snap judgements had obvious survival value at one time (we needed to decide whether that shape in the bushes was a predator or not, for example) so that these days it's feels natural for us to accept any explanation, however poor, rather than go without an answer at all.

Saying that a god created the world says nothing of value. It's not testable and only appeals to people who want easy answers that don't require them to think very hard. All you have done is repeat the same old stuff the last couple of days. If it were up to religion, people would be stuck in the same old rut all their lives, not daring to think anything that didn't interfere with their precious 'beliefs'.

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 28, 2016, 10:35:47 AM
The point is that painting those of us moderns who enjoy a little religion now and then as pacified dupes, the victims of oppressive structures designed to keep us in our places, is an anachronism from a very long time ago, easily refuted by, e. g.,  Liberation Theology.

Religion literally means 'to bind together', that's its job. You can argue that its influence is relatively benign or not, but in most cases it requires obedience to a temporal and spiritual head. When you get religious differences - I'm thinking particularly about Christianity - the splits occur because one lot thinks the other is misinterpreting the word of God. It's all in-group versus out-group factionalism, but the believers inside that group are firmly entrenched in their own world view. You can't enjoy a little religion now and then, you either believe or you don't, and that belief entails certain observances and obligations. It can't be a la carte even if some people would like it to be.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 28, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
Threatening military force in response to cyber attacks is irresponsible.

You could argue that, or you could argue that saber-rattling is appropriate with someone like Putin, as it's the only language he will understand. Those kinds of creeping intrusions into national security will only get more serious as time goes on, and if you establish a precedent that you are going to ignore it it will look like weakness and just get worse. Given the potential damage cyber attacks could cause I don't think there is anything more serious, and it's a far broader question than simply leaking confidential emails. Sometimes you have to stand up to a bully, and buying short-term security at the price of appeasement does not necessarily mean things will work out for you in the long term.

Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 11:06:54 AM
SV,..slowly I'm loosing respect for you

Where's the razor? I'm going to start cutting myself.

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 28, 2016, 10:10:46 AM
...which was also motivated primarily by religious concerns. 

Yes, but everything went back to religion until fairly recently, historically-speaking. It was in the air they breathed and they couldn't look at anything that wasn't inside that paradigm.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 28, 2016, 10:13:21 AM
Hillary could be the most hawkish presidential candidate in a century.

Do people seriously not see Trump as a person who would go to war? He's driven by ego and if a bomb goes off somewhere over there he's not going to sit back and talk about the budget deficit. He'd be at least as bellicose as Hillary, if not more so. I'm amazed that people don't see that.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 28, 2016, 09:28:16 AM
I have mixed feelings about going to the papers...

Can we expect to find your heart-shaped face splashed over the Sunday tabloids? Was it a kiss 'n' tell sting you were part of? Just remember to save that dress you wore for evidential purposes. You were determined to bring Trump down one way or the other but you had to fight dirty, didn't ya?

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 28, 2016, 10:04:13 AM
It must be wonderful to live in a place where the Middle Ages seem like yesterday.

I live just up the road from of Henry VIII's palaces too.

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 28, 2016, 09:56:51 AM
To say religion exists primarily to "keep the masses in check" ignores its role in revolutionary movements of the past, particularly your own.

It didn't really work, though; once Cromwell died it fell apart. The real revolution occurred in 1688, which was a peaceful transference of power known as the Glorious Revolution.

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 28, 2016, 09:44:18 AM
Funny to hear that coming from an Englishman.  I would think you guys would have more appreciation for religion as a revolutionary force than we do.

I'm talking about established religion not the kind of Reformation stuff that Cromwell was about. Once Luther started the ball rolling all bets were off.

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 28, 2016, 09:26:55 AM
You guys know that's basically a conspiracy theory, right?

The Church Militant has always been more important than the Church Triumphant. In some ways it was useful because it broke up the monopoly of the aristocracy and promoted clever but poor boys into positions of power, but otherwise it's always been there to keep the masses in check with threats of eternal damnation.

Quote from: rekcuf on October 28, 2016, 09:15:46 AM
Kevin, are you a hybrid? Asking for a friend.

Unless the definition of hybrid is 'tedious attention whore' then, no.

This goes into all the flaws that Hillary brings to the table and attempts to show why she is still a better bet than Trump. I know it won't convince any of you but I thought it was worth posting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACDqFL8mW3s

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 28, 2016, 09:09:59 AM
Hahaha the chance to cast you you as an uncouth peasant for once was irresistible.

I've got couth coming out me arse, innit!

Quote from: theONE on October 27, 2016, 03:39:06 PM
*** "How the chemical elements that are part of all what you see around you, including your own body, -how those elements come into existence?

I don't have to answer that question. You have to prove the existence of a god. All you are doing is calling human ignorance 'god'. Until we discovered the germ theory of disease people were blaming illness on the will of God. In time we found out that wasn't true. In time, it's probable that we will find out the answer to your question. The idea of god gets smaller all the time as we find out more about the world, this is just another example. And you're not saying which god you believe in, all you are doing is talking about a creative, deistic type of god. Which one of the fruit salad of alternatives on offer do you believe in, and why?

Just because you can't itemise every single element of a theory doesn't invalidate the theory, it just means that there is more to learn. People who believe in God aren't interested in learning anything about the world and would be happy living in some windswept yurt all their lives, tending to a bunch of disgruntled yaks.

Quote from: K_Dubb on October 27, 2016, 02:27:22 PM
Intangible ideas like these are the single greatest force that shapes civilization, and it takes a bolder man than I to write them off just because this generation of grubby fact-finders can't get a grip on their antecedents.

The various modes of worship, which prevailed in the Roman world, were all considered by the people, as equally true; by the philosopher, as equally false; and by the magistrate, as equally useful.

It sounds like you had no trouble getting a grip on your antecedents with that post - the whole thing reeked of self-regard. And hand cream. I know Tocqueville found religion useful as a way of countering your nation's beastly tendency to ignore everyone else for their own swinish purposes, or that some of the greatest music and architecture came about because they happened to believe in sky fairies, but that doesn't make it true. All I am interested in is whether the belief in god happens to be correct or not, the rest is a side-issue. People can believe what they like, even the Leprechaun Fallacy (as I shall hereinafter call it) where Art's 'stalker' is concerned. Perhaps, if Bach were alive today, he could be working on the St. Heather Passion, but I rather doubt it.

Intangible ideas like religion might help to shape civilisation, but they also do much to destroy them, as happened with Islam stifling scientific enquiry after doing so much to preserve the work of Aristotle.

Quote from: brig on October 27, 2016, 06:28:52 PM
Looks like the SendaMonster is alive and well. 

Senda asked me to post this to the "Hell Bitch of BellGab".

"Listen, brigonosis, I'm not well at all! I might be alive, more or less, but don't start claiming I'm fit and well because I've got two doctor's notes certifying that I'm a decrepit tub of guts and that's the only reason I can swing living off the government teat this long. I also have two bad knees, restless legs, retarded arms, asthma, bronchitis, cystitis, and I am thinking about acquiring a non-fatal cancer to increase the donations in the lead-up to Xmas.

In short, STFU. Video later."

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 26, 2016, 02:20:33 PM
Also how can something come out of nothing as in the Big Bang?  Some force had to create matter.

But then you have to account for the origin of that force, so you end up going around in circles. The answer is probably too complicated and counter-intuitive to understand so we keep going back to something comfortable that we can get our heads around. We don't have the answers because we aren't yet smart enough to formulate the right questions. People tend to look for answers that are part of their own experience, naturally enough, but the results of science since the beginning of the twentieth century show that you can't make those assumptions any more.

Quote from: theONE on October 26, 2016, 12:17:42 PM


There is only ONLY two options, two answers to this very basic question.

1. They were always there,nothing nobody made-create them, they just always existed, always I mean that there was never time that they were not existing.
2. They were created by an intelligent force /some of us call it GOD/ they were created using very intricate mathematical principles.

Theists never answer where that intelligent force came from in the first place, though. They just fudge matters by claiming that she is 'outside time' or something, which is cheating and not really attempting to have an argument. Both sides can play that game, but it's an infinite regress that doesn't get us anywhere interesting. I don't have to explain where everything came from, it's up to you to claim with convincing evidence, that a god was responsible for it. All you are doing is demonstrating an argument from ignorance. You can't conceive how something would happen without a god, therefore it must be so. All science does is put forward explanations, supported by evidence, for what can be seen in the observable world, no more.

By the way, if you want to talk about how something cannot come from nothing, first you have to define what your precious 'nothing' is, which is not as easy as it sounds.

Quote from: theONE on October 26, 2016, 12:17:42 PM
GOD the Intelligent Creator is the answer, Sir

Then what was she doing when she created Saturn and Jupiter, then? Were they just practice attempts? Science can tell us that the universe is expanding after the Big Bang and that the Earth will eventually get too cold to sustain life. Where was that in the grand plan? Why would she design a planet that constantly suffers earthquakes, volcanoes and countless other natural disasters? And don't blame it on original sin either.

Quote from: Inglorious Bitch on October 26, 2016, 10:13:37 AM
People would actually pay to see those videos.

Or watch his fat car spin out of control and bang into various innocent passers-by. Followed by Senda getting the shit kicked out of him by disgruntled shoppers.

Quote from: theONE on October 26, 2016, 02:19:36 AM
If person believes that there is no Creator-God and that we come from some organism in the ocean then that person has lot's of questions that
have no logical answers,.. and still at the end even if they somehow explain how all that life chain evolved from other organism
from some other matter, final question still will NOT be answered,..where/how the first element started from which ALL the next elements become.

It's fine to have unanswered questions, it doesn't invalidate a theory. The idea of a God doesn't explain anything; evolution gets much closer and has evidence to back it up, rather than the word of  a bunch of illiterate peasants 2000 years ago. 'God' is just another word for ignorance. In the ancient world people used to claim that everything in nature came about through the actions of a god or gods, simply because they didn't know any better. These days, we have better explanations.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 25, 2016, 10:44:42 AM
Emergency gabcast in order to explain that to the colonists.

Then I'd have to go into arcane stuff about the difference between a pelican and zebra crossing, which might be too taxing for some of them.

I love the fact that The Great Fatsby has such a deep and abiding interest in the paranormal that he had to buy a shitty ouija board from a shop rather than one that has been in his collection for years. He thinks he's an 'expert' because the oaf has a T-shirt saying so. Fuck Senda with a Belisha beacon.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 24, 2016, 10:34:21 AM

Oh? Losing the courage of your convictions?

That's probably how he bonded with Senda, discussing their various prison careers, and how their third eyes were opened. In the showers.

Quote from: chefist on October 24, 2016, 10:33:39 AM
When you have the main stream media in your pocket, that is a very powerful propaganda tool. You know you have the population controlled when you can come out in the open and say you are biased, and large segments of the population (including your political enemies) believe your reporting.

Then this propaganda isn't very successful if you consider how far it's taken Trump. I don't doubt that most of the media outlets are against him but what does he expect when he's parachuted himself into a contest, is doing it all on a shoestring, and hasn't built up the contacts that Clinton has over a long career? Being a neophyte works for Trump in some ways, because he doesn't have a political record to criticise, but on the other hand it means that he doesn't have much of a media base to work with.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 24, 2016, 10:33:12 AM
SV will confirm I'm sure that the use of 'bounder' and 'cad' can be assigned to MV in this instance.

Despite repeated inboxes requesting a 'donation' the blister never comes through, damn his eyes!

Quote from: Open Lines Gerry on October 24, 2016, 10:28:36 AM
Brig - you are a voice of reason in this thread.  In your opinion, are Open Lines Gerry, BellGab's area51drone, and SixWeekTenure(tm) the same person, or separate people?

FRIENDSHIP.

You're an Unholy Trinity of bullshit.