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Quote from: K_Dubb on December 02, 2016, 01:55:05 PM
Oh, I have to hoot at this!  We get it, all right.  We aren't surprised that within a few generations your democratic experiments vote themselves states that resemble the benevolent sovereigns you're used to.  We also aren't surprised that the jaw-dropping paternalism that led you to enslave half the globe continues to assert itself like a pernicious weed, blindly convinced your way is the only way.

Considering that you live in a country that gets its collective knickers in a twist every four years about electing itself a new god-emperor I call that rather rich. What do the people who elected Trump want if not someone who is going to come down from on high and fix all their problems? As much as I like Americans individually, collectively I wouldn't trust them to run a lemonade stand.

For all the many problems with Europe (and I won't deny those) it's also about a spirit of cooperation that you simply don't understand, living where you are, insulated from all the forces that have buffeted the continent of Europe over centuries. When you look back at this country, which has seen itself at war with Spain, France, Holland, Germany, Austria, Italy etc over the course of only a few centuries, then it's no wonder that people want to come up with something that allows competition without the necessity for cracking people's skulls to get what they want.

Anyway, you're the one who hasn't mastered the manly art of shaving yet, so if anyone's a pernicious weed, it's you! [pokes out tongue].

Quote from: H. L. F. on December 02, 2016, 12:20:30 PM
And I take it you align yourself with "the weak"?  Such as the janitors and uneducated people you ridiculed a few posts ago?  How heroic.

Look, you fucking halfwit. Even a dunce like you can take a look at the trend throughout history and see that affairs in countries all over the world have been run according to a small, well-organised group at the expense of everybody else. Point me to a few examples where that has not been the case and you might have a point, otherwise don't bother me with these piffling demurrals.

Quote from: H. L. F. on December 02, 2016, 12:20:30 PM
After the election I heard progressives here mocking rust belt laborers, throwing them under the bus for not voting democrat. 

They said their jobs aren't coming back and they just need to accept it (a sentiment apparently shared by Obama). http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSWNA899320090714

It might not have been very sensitively phrased but it was essentially accurate. Those sorts of jobs aren't coming back because they can be filled elsewhere at much less money. If you don't accept that then you are trying to deny economic gravity. A big part of the problem is that there is a large pool of unskilled people, but they can't afford to get themselves an education to compete. The people who want to bring back manufacturing jobs are looking backwards rather than forwards. Americans seem to have forgotten that they are supposed to be world leaders, but they have mislaid their balls right now. The left tries to supply answers to the problem of economic equality, while the right sits on its hands and tries to pretend that none of this is a problem. People like Sanders get ridiculed for their efforts in, but then that's usually the case when someone tries to contradict the status quo ante.

Quote from: Open Lines Gerry on December 01, 2016, 05:25:02 PM
No "fake cancer" - my brain tumor was removed in August 2014, and I have been fortunate to have a successful recovery.

Yes, just imagine what you would have been like had that tumour not been removed. You might have turned into a delusional psychopath.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 02, 2016, 10:46:26 AM
At least you admit it, although you're far too modest.  Wasn't it Europe that gave us Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, and their various derivatives?  For the most part those have been and are foreign concepts here.  I wouldn't be so quick to sneer at those who don't welcome any of that. 

Pretty much all the major parties in Western Europe are Leftist/Big Government.  When every party is Leftist, the label no longer really differentiates so of course it would cause confusion.

And you're right, Obama would fit in quite well there.  So would the rest of our 'Progressives', whose ascendency here is a fairly recent phenomenon.  Now that most people understand who they are, look at the political landscape here from the state level on up.

I wouldn't call the current UK government 'leftist' by any stretch of the imagination. They would unravel almost all the achievements of post-war Labour if they thought they would get away with it, but they have to chip away instead. Even the previous Labour government was pretty mild, which is why there has been such a retrenchment with the current set-up of that party, where there's been a big swing to the left.

Sooner or later, over there, people will come to realise that they are getting a raw deal and will come to resent it, just as people have done in Europe. You have a system that disproportionately benefits entrenched moneyed interests and it will lead to serious problems if left uncorrected. It's riddled with potential problems, but the only way you will be able to ameliorate the worst excesses of capitalism is from a left perspective. Basically, the whole trend of history is the weak v the strong and you have to pick a side. I don't 'sneer' at people who don't understand that, I just think they're wrong and misguided. If the serious flaws in the system continue to be ignored, and people are angry enough, it leads to civil unrest, if not outright revolution.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 02, 2016, 10:46:26 AM
Pretty much all the major parties in Western Europe are Leftist/Big Government.  When every party is Leftist, the label no longer really differentiates so of course it would cause confusion.

Part of the problem is that Americans tend to be rather spoiled and haven't been through the problems that have made a larger state necessary. That's why they don't see the whole issue of Europe with much sophistication - they just don't get it. WW2 is still within living memory to many people here, and that makes a big difference. You also have much more in terms of natural resources than most countries, and your location makes you regard yourselves as an island unto yourselves. It's not your fault, but it's true all the same.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 02, 2016, 10:46:26 AM
Wasn't it Europe that gave us Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, and their various derivatives?

Yes, but you got your own back by giving us McDonalds and George Senda.

Apology accepted.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on December 01, 2016, 12:04:43 PM
I love the word "leftist". It allows one to generalize and do away with minor distinctions so you can actually discuss a subject in a broad big picture sense. Likewise I like the term "right-winger" just as much, and wear the label proudly whenever someone plants it on me. I'm actually a centrist and classical humanist, but I don't fight the label because at the end of the day I know that I fit in the broad category of being a right-winger.

No one is the same. Because of that, we can categorize people all the way down to the individual. This is already happening, one can head to YouTube or Buzzfeed and find all sorts of batshit crazies that refuse to accept such basic conventions as male and female pronouns and invent their own and then change them the week after when their mood changes.

We must accept broader categories when they make sense in a discussion. If we don't, then we can't discuss anything broadly. Which, incidentally, seems to be a goal of many leftists. They seem to want to shut down broad discussion. I refuse.

That kind of thinking might make some sort of vague sense in the bubble of American politics, but if you are anywhere else it tends to get you blank looks. People over there can, with a straight face, talk about a conventional figure like Obama as a 'Marxist', when in Europe he'd line up fairly comfortably with any ordinary politician on the centre-right. I don't pretend to know all the details of Obamacare, but it sounded like it had been so eroded by compromise that there was barely anything left to discuss. But to some of you it was the second coming of Che Guevara.

There are some fairly broad goals that you would subscribe to, if you were on the left, but other than that it's up for grabs, with vastly different shades of views under a pretty large tent. I've never heard people use the word 'leftist', though, without it being packaged together into a sneer about how intolerant they are. Some are, some aren't, and it's too general and lazy to have much purchase with sensible people. Granted, the same can be said of 'right-winger', although people on the right are more likely to accept that denomination with complacency, even pride.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 02, 2016, 10:01:47 AM
This is why you're consistantly consistently in the top three of most adored posters on here.. and that's just from the butch men. Never change...

FIFY. I deplore this fashionable American illiteracy of yours. I don't want to be the only one flying the flag for correct spelling in this place.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 01, 2016, 11:07:42 PM
You're the wordsmith, would both of these sentences appearing in the same post be an example of irony?

I don't come on here to build bridges, merely to burn them. Anyway, being gratuitously offensive is all part of my charm. You stupid cunt.

Oh god, I wish that fat turd would get run over by a steamroller. He still doesn't know that it's called 'Quantum of Solace' not 'Silence'!! What the fuck, Senda, you total arse!!!

I notice that he likes to mention the names of his new subscribers. Can I suggest that someone subscribe to his channel using the name 'Stupid_Cunt_Senda' and see if they get a shout-out?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 30, 2016, 05:11:47 PM
Dude, you're on fire! I'm smelling top right again. 

At least it's not your finger this time.

Quote from: pyewacket on November 30, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
You and I obviously hold very different social/political views. The term 'Leftist' has only become relevant to me during this election. For me, it's a very RELATIVE term. I see it as a directional signal and you seem to see it, for some reason, as a pejorative term.

I used to think in political terms of just democrats and republicans but discovered that they were not definitive enough to truly understand someone else's political POV. I have repeatedly found common ground with family, friends, and acquaintances and realized that the only difference was whether we checked a 'D' or an 'R' on our voter registrations.

It's just how I see things relative to my perspective. To state that my use of the term 'leftist' is always a pejorative is an unfortunate, sophomoric oversimplification.

You're being incredibly dishonest here. You only ever use 'leftist' to convey scorn in one way or another. And you only used 'unfortunate, sophomoric, oversimplification' because you think it sounds like a decent put-down, not because it actually carries any information in it. Like so many of your views, they are cliched, hand-me-down, and a bit dull.

Part of the problem of discussions like this is that they are often not very interesting, because too many people aren't prepared to accept that they don't have all the answers. Unless there's a reasonable chance that I might learn something from somebody else then I tend to zone out. You didn't address any of the substantive points I raised, but  instead gave me a lot of waffle about your 'perspective'. I don't really care about your perspective if you are going to use  that to hide behind a lot of tendentious posturing.

Quote from: pyewacket on November 30, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
If you insist that I use 'leftist' as a pejorative attack on someone I don't even know, then intellectual honesty (low IQ or not) would demand that you append my offensive term to the following list. Those playing at home, please feel free to sort this list according to level of perceived offense and repost. 

Praise MV!

Using the term 'leftist' isn't offensive, it's just boring and predictable. It would be too embarrassing to elaborate further here. I don't want to be insulting.

Quote from: pyewacket on November 30, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
PS- I'm only guessing at this because apparently I'm not that smart.

Now you're starting to make sense. We were bound to get there in the end.

I guess the biggest irony about Herr Trump is that he was elected via the electoral college, when previously the only way that most of his supporters got into any sort of college was if they were employed as a janitor.

Quote from: K_Dubb on November 29, 2016, 12:50:41 PM
I'm really sensitive

[Dabs eyes]

I'd never have guessed. This thread is becoming a hang-out for metrosexual types to confess their pitiful inadequacies and blub in the corner. I'm ashamed of the whole pack of you. I shave with a basin of freezing cold water and bit of broken glass.

Quote from: pyewacket on November 29, 2016, 12:47:06 PM
There you go again- moving the conversational goal posts. I thought we were going to get a lesson on the canonical definition of a 'leftist' but instead it looks like I'm getting a lesson in tap dancing away from a legitimate question.

I invited you to define 'leftist'.

Please don't respond by posting a recipe for tuna noodle casserole, at best it might give one the impression that you're trying not to answer this request.

The word 'leftist' isn't one that I use, and I don't think many people with any sense use it either. You just use it to refer to anybody you don't like, the sort of lazy pejoratives that are all too common over there these days. It was only used, as far as I know, to describe revolutionary movements (eg, the Spanish civil war) not some kids on a university campus protesting Halloween costumes. Every time you use the word 'leftist' in any other way you leak IQ points.

You can have the technical definition of Socialism, which is the idea that the means of production are in the hands of the people via the state. I think, broadly, the definition of the left is much more fluid, and is about trying to restrain the excesses of capitalism, giving a voice to sections of society that have been neglected, together with a fundamental idea that society can be improved rather than just retaining the status quo.

A vote for Trump is just vote for all the moneyed interests that are trying to pull the strings. Just look at the woman he's put in charge of education, a billionaire who wants to push a religious agenda. Whatever the faults of the left - and they are many - all you get from the right is the same old stuff which will benefit a few people at the expense of the disadvantaged.

Quote from: pyewacket on November 28, 2016, 12:27:57 PM
As always, I truly appreciate your efforts to educate and shepherd us poor, confused souls.

Thanks. I'll teach you how to manage irony at the same time too, without tripping over your feet.

Inglorious Bitch asked me to post this. Apparently her five o'clock shadow starts coming through about 11am.

Hot water (as hot as you can stand). Get some proper shaving cream and a brush. Most important, get a straight razor. Yes, the old-fashioned one. Either one that you can use with a strop or just use replacement blades. It's so much easier than using the safety versions (which still cut  you anyway) and takes half the time, as well as giving you a much better shave. It will take a little while to get the hang of it, so buy a styptic pencil to cope with the occasional nick, but after that you'll be fine.

Quote from: Inglorious Bitch on November 28, 2016, 11:20:58 AM
With SV in mind, the London gay scene. 

With dermatologically-challenged, malodorous bitches like you (not to mention cankles the size of oil drums) no wonder so many of us are choosing to take a walk on the brown side. You're enough to lighten anyone's loafers.

Quote from: Inglorious Bitch on November 28, 2016, 11:00:32 AM
SV knows all about 'input'. That's why he's so popular in The Admiral Duncan.

I don't know what you are referring to. I am assuming it must be some centre for the intellectually gifted. I don't know where you must have found out about it, though, I'm sure.

Quote from: pyewacket on November 27, 2016, 02:10:08 PM
I thought the leftie talking point was to call us "deplorables"?   I can see why you don't because it didn't work out all that well now - did it? Classic leftist mindset- 'I don't mind what you do as long as you do what I tell you to do.'  :

I don't think you have a clue what 'the left' is, you just hear a dog whistle and start barking. If Trump gets in and starts putting up tariffs then that's anti-competitive and about as 'leftist' as it gets. Everyone who saw the election as leftists v conservatives got so lost in the media haze that they didn't know what they were voting for, as long as it wasn't 'leftist', whatever the hell that even means. Hillary was actually the conservative choice. Trump is a leap in the dark, whatever else you might say; particularly given that nobody knows what he stands for, including him.

Quote from: Inglorious Bitch on November 21, 2016, 03:27:49 PM
We are open to suggestions

How about retirement? Seriously, quit while you're behind. That 'tard trying to flatter you couldn't even get your name right. I thought that the whole thing was the most obnoxious insult to the intelligence since the last time you staggered on to the air and embarrassed yourself.

Quote from: Falkie2013 on November 24, 2016, 09:11:43 PM
No one except Justin sent me a dime since before Alien Con even when I've been totally without food and had to eat bread, refried beans or NOTHING for dinner for days !

You're a hopeless case. Your life is one long list of excuses and self-pity, and you wonder why you're lonely and miserable. You write this boring shit time and time again, as though anybody cares about it. If you called a suicide prevention line they'd probably tell you to get on with it - might even offer a few suggestions - because you're just stealing air from other people right  now.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on November 24, 2016, 12:51:36 PM
You have got to be kidding, Dunning Kruger.  In at least 90% of your posts where you're in an argument you call the person you're arguing with 'stupid' or some other term with the same meaning and I've never seen a post you've written where your in a debate that doesn't involve you name calling. 

It's all part of my charm, think of it as one-part social satire, two parts elaborate mating ritual. You're so pathetically eager to convince people that you are more than you are (a bog-standard intellectual manque, who has no interest in learning, except as a way to try and intimidate other people) that you don't see what a cloth-headed oaf you sound like.

Please tell us all how overawed your teachers were by your prowess again. It never gets old.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on November 24, 2016, 02:29:59 PM
Yes, but I heard you got the lowest grade ever received in that class. 

For what it's worth, I also took the two basic logic courses, though at a University College and not a 'real university.'  In the introductory philosophy of logic course, the instructor told me that I received one of the highest marks he had ever given and in the symbolic logic course I received either a B or a B+.

My philosophy of logic instructor and both of the instructors of the two mandatory English courses (in both of those courses making logical arguments is part of the teaching) told me that my intelligence was 'off the charts' on the high side.  Of course, as those were all university college instructors and not university professors, I took their compliment in the same spirit that I'm sure most people here will.

This post is either highly-sophisticated meta-trolling - in which case, full marks, dear boy - or it's the embarrassing ravings of a pimply oik who has never had a girlfriend and is never likely to. I take everyone's supposed qualifications on here with the seriousness they deserve, and wipe with them.

You seriously imagine that you are going to be taken seriously writing stuff like that? I've a good mind to sue you for something or other, because I felt my balls shrivel up and try to hide themselves inside my arse after struggling through that vainglorious piffle.

I'm surprised you're wasting your time with humble apes like us. Surely you ought to be putting the finishing touches to that space shuttle you are working on in the back yard. Or perfecting that cure for cancer.

The same goes for all you poor devils who weren't born on the right side of the Atlantic.

Quote from: VoteQuimby on November 24, 2016, 11:53:24 AM
Read the first sentence, laughed at how biased it was and realised these people have nothing of value to say.

Reading delusional liberals trying to assert their intelligence while displaying a delusional perception of reality in the comments section was amusing.

If Trump ever makes it a crime to be interesting, don't worry. You'll be safe.

Quote from: theONE~EMPEROR on November 24, 2016, 10:40:53 AM
hey british faggot SV, read that to yourself in a loud voice (in that feminine high pitched voice of yours of course)
because that applies to you and your treatment of others if you don't agree with them you hypocritical faggot

I guess you learned all that turn-the-other-cheek stuff from your saviour and good buddy the Prince of Penis. It probably hasn't occurred to you before, being a one-note johnny, but your act is getting a bit stale and in bad need of refreshment. Anyway, as we are nearly into that time of year when we are all supposed to come together as one big human family, may I be the first to wish that your family are killed in a motorway pile-up and  that you die of AIDS.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on November 24, 2016, 03:51:19 AM

I feel the same thing in making fun of PB.  It's hard to not attack him for his idiotic rantings, but it's pretty obvious he is genuinely mentally challenged.

Just because someone holds a different opinion to you doesn't make them stupid. It's obvious how insecure you are. If you can't argue like an adult then I don't know why you bother.

Quote from: theONE on November 21, 2016, 11:29:44 AM
pud ask your buddy SV if he/she fucks only female goats or only male goats ..or both

A gentleman never reveals such details.

Quote from: theONE on November 21, 2016, 11:28:11 AM
so SV is admitting that he/she is a...goat fucker.
Fucking homo faggot goat fucker BellGabber British English cunt.

FIFY

Get it right, you toothless product of third-world incest.