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Quote from: pyewacket on December 09, 2016, 04:12:00 PM
Much of the MSM seems to run on emotional appeals and identity politics. I see this as lazy and dishonest and this is why I'm skeptical.

Unless you back up this rather sweeping statement with a few examples and explain where you see the bias, you are guilty of exactly the same thing.

Quote from: Billy Joe Mulgreavey on December 09, 2016, 11:35:17 AM
Haha..well, well.  Yorkie and IB chiming in, how nice.  You know, I have enjoyed your posts, both of you, over the past several months...

And what the fuck am I? Chopped liver?

Whenever I click on it I get an alert telling me that this site might implant tiny cameras in my ethernet cable and send (Senda?) nude pictures of me to the dark web.

MV. I've heard he doesn't even cast a shadow.

Quote from: Inglorious Bitch on December 09, 2016, 10:55:14 AM
I noticed a link to a VPN at the top of the BG home page. What is that again? Is it like another internet? Can I use that instead of the internet? Is it used to replace Skype?

It's like VPL, now go back to painting your nails.

Quote from: K_Dubb on December 09, 2016, 10:53:36 AM
So I must imagine a solitary man flinging hankies about?  The coordinated movement is the only thing that prevents it from looking utterly ridiculous.

I don't think I want to hear about the men you like to imagine. I'm just relived they are of age this time. The Alex Jones thread isn't the place to deliver agonised dissertations about your tortured sexuality. Save that for your father-confessor.

Quote from: K_Dubb on December 09, 2016, 10:37:30 AM
Hahaha I suspect that, since that's precisely the sort of damp squib I'd expect from someone who knew the book only by its title and knew nothing of Russia and the ambiguity terms like "idiot" have there (cf. holy fools), your talents are more home-grown.

You're way off there. They call Myshkin an 'idiot' in the book, and they didn't mean it kindly. I shan't say any more, less I be accused of boasting, which I prefer to leave to our friends from across the Atlantic.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 09, 2016, 10:01:57 AM
If you hadn't insisted I delete your telephone number, I'd have called you up. Then we could regale the audience with our adventures in Reykjavik back in 2008, that had a bar bill only matched by the tips to the lap dancing troupe. Happy times.

In what was rather a strange coincidence, the lap dancers were all from Lapland. Lapp lap dancers were too much for me to handle, especially as they were rather on the bountiful side, but I know you have always been a fiendish chubby chaser.

Quote from: Inglorious Bitch on December 09, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
You're just lucky we didn't call you at 3am England time.

"You're in bed? Oh. What are you wearing?"

It's a good thing we didn't ask Yorkie that. The answer may have been x rated. 

I don't answer that late, I don't run a cab service like Yorkie.

I could have told you what he was wearing anyway, since we share the same tent. It's usually a pair of Superman PJs, unless I  can persuade him out of them once in a while.

Some things are best passed over in polite silence, but I felt I owed it to my loyal readers to give this thing another listen. Yes, the Thelma and Louise of podcasting (jaz and Red are the Siegfried and Roy, of course) were given another show, despite my vehement protests. The best I can say is that it was the most shambolic episode of cacophonous balls it has ever been my misfortune to sit through. The person now referring to herself as 'Ibby' demonstrated all the broadcasting skills of a drinking fountain, but that not's surprising considering that most of the time she takes calls it's from some grunting senior asking herself what she's wearing.

I can't give a detailed precis of what went on because I must have passed out after about ten minutes, but I came to briefly to hear some person from the north of England (allegedly) telling us all about great child murders of the twentieth century.  I can't wait for next week, when perhaps we'll be treated to a pen portrait of the Stalinist purges, or Bergen-Belsen.

Quote from: albrecht on December 08, 2016, 06:18:05 PM
(I won't comment on what goes on in the bushes on Hampstead Heath)

I understand you told the court that you were birdwatching, although why you had to do it with your trousers round your ankles was never satisfactorily explained.

Quote from: Jackstar on December 09, 2016, 09:03:15 AM
I've read and adored Dostoyevsky.

Indeed. 'The Idiot' could have been written for you.

Quote from: Jackstar on December 09, 2016, 08:49:51 AM

Bravo! This post signifies nothing at all about what either of your positions are.

What do you call your act?

I prefer to sodomise your posts in straight missionary, as a general rule.

I should think my 'act' was pretty obvious. It's a kind of intellectual fan-dance, with shades of Russian ballet, you Fokine idiot.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 06, 2016, 01:21:52 PM
No one has come forward to deny any Wikileaks

You have your cretinous head so far up your arse you're a (semi) human colonoscopy. The reason you don't deny something self-evidently absurd is because you immediately give it spurious legitimacy by deigning to recognise it in the first place. It would be like responding to the semi-literate yammerings of people like you - there simply isn't enough time in the day to bother with a man-child posting piffle in his bedroom, wearing only a pair of soiled undercrackers.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 03, 2016, 02:53:09 PM
Isn't that why there is a period between the vote and the announcement they are leaving - to figure out some of the logistics, and then a 2 year period of negotiation to iron out the details? 

Yeah, but we are talking about four decades of agreements and treaties that they need to unravel; don't be so simplistic. They will have a Great Repeal Bill that only identifies the areas that need to be tackled, that's before they even get around to pulling things apart. They are so many areas that pooled resources with other nations (scientific research, for example) that this country will now be excluded from. We are also still in Europe, in terms of trade, whether we like it or not, and now we have thrown away whatever influence we had by deciding to be an outsider. All for our precious 'independence', which is a myth anyway, and that goes for every other country in the world.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on December 03, 2016, 02:52:50 PM
The ideas of Barack Obama failed. So did the neoconservative ideas of George W. Bush. The Joe Sixpack of the American Midwest has already experienced economic collapse. That's what no one noticed from their ivory towers on the coasts of this country. Trump in his tower did notice. And it won him the election. Whether he turns out to be a nightmare, a failure, or the greatest president ever will be determined by his actions. But the point is, the last two presidencies were full of nightmares and failures. We've got nothing to lose.

If Obama ran against Trump he'd win, easily. His approval ratings are high and the general consensus is that he did a reasonable job, whether you agree or not. Trump won because of a perfect storm of negativity surrounding Clinton, not for any merits he may or may not possess.

Dear boy, that 'nothing to lose' mentality is very dangerous and I hope you don't all regret it. You have had it too good for too long and don't understand how bad things can get in the wrong hands. The only ones who can recall the Great Depression are too old to count and Americans in general see a decade ago as ancient history. When things start to slip they can slip fast and it isn't pretty; when you get yourselves in a spiral it can be hard to dig yourselves out of it. I don't want that to happen, because the last thing I want is to see Russia and China ruling the roost, but this spirit of negativity and defeatism that you are all in at the moment is very worrying.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on December 03, 2016, 02:52:50 PM

That's because it can't ever be aligned. The left should be for relegating sexist, inherently misogynistic Islam to the trash heap of human history. It's a religion that needs to be shamed out of existence. Instead they court it as though it's somehow rational or acceptable. It's not, thus it must go. And so must go any collective delusion that can't successfully incorporate itself into modern society. Because of things like Islam's incompatibility with reason, the left reveals itself to not be honest with itself across the board, and that's why I just toss it all under one category for purposes of keeping it simple.

Fine, well good luck convincing 1.3 billion Muslims that they are a dead loss. What are they supposed to do, bugger off to Mars or something? Saying stuff like that doesn't even get close to addressing a problem, it's just posturing. They are no easy answers with that problem and I don't think either side has got anywhere close to coming up with a coherent strategy, but telling a whole faith that they are a lot of naughty boys who ought to know better isn't any good to anyone.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on December 03, 2016, 02:52:50 PM
But, in the end, I'll take a president that will pick up a phone and call a company and try to persuade them not to move or automate over a president that doesn't really do anything except sit around while agitators burn down cities. spend money to prop up a failing company that will only encourage other companies to announce they are outsourcing their workforce overseas in order to get in on the government hand-outs.

I think that's what you meant, so I took the liberty of paraphrasing. I thought you people were supposed to be all about market forces and all that jazz? Yes, brilliant. How on earth he went bankrupt six times is a mystery!

Quote from: K_Dubb on December 03, 2016, 10:52:10 AM
That horrid tub-thumping assaulting your delicate ears every four years from over here is the noise of revolution.  If you went back to 1789, I guarantee it wasn't all Voltaire and Montesquieu -- sky-high expectations and coarse rhetoric were more the thing.  We have been peacefully overthrowing our governments for a couple centuries now, and you presume to prate away to us about the cooperation you just discovered.

I can only hope that you managed to write that balls without keeping a straight face. How on earth does electing a billionaire (supposedly) who then goes on to shunt all his billionaire buddies into top jobs constitute a fucking revolution? Yeah, it's a 360 degree revolution where you are back where you bloody started. Jesus H, lay off the soft drink, it's scrambling your brain, and you didn't have much to work with in the first place.

Quote from: K_Dubb on December 03, 2016, 10:52:10 AM
Again you imagine that Europe has birthed a new species, this time one who's discovered how to live together peacefully -- and this within living memory.  You may be right (I hope you are), but the very history you trot out like a simpering A-student's report card suggests otherwise.  You are the naïf here, and I pat your head and give you a butterscotch before I go back to my books with a wry smile.

I'm sure you're quite accustomed to doling out candy to passers-by, only this time you're doing it to a man in his forties rather than a 10-year-old lost in a shopping centre. Which is progress of a sort, I guess. Europe did birth a new species - you bloody lot. You took all our ideas, pretend they were yours, and then unceremoniously micturated all over them.

Quote from: K_Dubb on December 03, 2016, 10:52:10 AM
Honestly, I ought to just grow a great gray prophet's beard; your sophomoric optimism makes me feel positively ancient.

I was being chided the other day for cynicism, and now I'm a sophomoric optimist. Make your bloody mind up! I'd rather be optimistic than mired in lymphatic decadence. You are quickly turning into the old world that you affect to despise, with all your backward-looking focus on outdated industrial practices.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 03, 2016, 02:49:19 PM
I guess you shouldn't have called for that referendum if you didn't trust the proletariat to make the right choice then. 

BTW, most used car salesmen aren't worth 4 billion dollars. 

You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that I'm David Cameron. And I was starting to like you, too; not a lot, but a little. It's probably for the best that there's hundreds of miles of ocean separating us, otherwise I might have paid you a visit, together with my trusty black bag and roll of duct tape. Trust me, it would be the most fun you've had since the last time you were in prison - just be prepared to take your meals starting up for a few weeks afterwards.

Quote from: Jackstar on December 03, 2016, 10:37:49 AM
You're just making shit like this up. It's just your opinion. Presenting your opinion as your thesis is, you know, fine and all, but it doesn't jibe very well with your attempt to argue from authority.

I don't have to argue from authority. All I have to do is compare the things he said on the stump to the things he is proposing to do now. Yes, that makes him an ordinary politician, but that's exactly what the people voting for him didn't want. Bringing in all these bods from Goldman Sachs (drain the swamp, FFS), buttering up the leader of Pakistan (as if he's going to ban Muslims from entering the country). There isn't much that he isn't prepared to compromise to suit his own agenda.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on December 02, 2016, 01:44:55 PM
That's just because continental Europe has always been a hotbed of extreme ideology on both the right and left and that attitude has slowly infected the UK over the last 40 years. We're simply the last place that still knows what a centrist actually is, though I have a sneaking suspicion that the same things that propelled Trump into power is about to take hold in Europe.

That's a bit of a head-scratcher. You talk about centrism, and then go on to mention Trump as though he's the patron saint of the middle ground. I don't know where the hell he stands, but then neither does he. Other than gaining power I don't see that he has much in the way of - certainly not ideology - but any real views at all that you can't scribble down on the back of an envelope. Europe has had all sorts of differing views ever since the Reformation, but that's what makes it so interesting.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on December 02, 2016, 01:44:55 PM
I can really only speak for the American left, but to be honest, I can't tell what they believe. What you term as "vastly different shades of views" to me just seems like ideological schizophrenia. If people actually espoused Marxism, then I would refer to them as Marxists. But they don't -- Das Kapital isn't exactly on the NYT best seller list here. Instead they hold an amalgam of bizarre, cobbled together ideas designed specifically to create coalitions of voting blocs that can win elections.

But at the same time, there is no actual ideology. There can't be one. It would prevent them from holding together a political party that caters to both virulently anti-homosexual people, such as Muslims in general and much of black America, and yet also caters to LGBT rights groups all while acting as though a large section of the party doesn't want them tossed off buildings to please Allah.

So what exactly do you label a group of people that have no core, consistent ideology? Democrats doesn't work because I hold a similar dim view of the Green Party. The only thing I can think of is Leftists. Or dingbats.

I feel much the same about the right, incidentally, and accept the label of "right-wing" readily as a result instead of trying to explain my centrist, moderately libertarian outlook.

The left is a pretty broad church. There are all sorts of problems right now getting it to align with all the differing views at the same time - Islam and women's rights for example. There is a great deal there with which I disagree, but at least the left, in general, tries to look at things with a critical eye with a view to improve them, even though they might be wrong. The right, so far as I can see, is very bad at articulating their own positions. They just want to sit back and let it all run its course, according to the dictates of the market. But, as we saw in 2008, that's terribly dangerous. Some people on the right would have been perfectly happy to risk economic collapse, with all that would entail. I just don't get that kind of thinking at all.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 03, 2016, 09:49:17 AM
I don't know if you've noticed, but while the self-serving elites with their ''globalism'' agenda are moving us towards a one-world government run by them, the people you claim to champion are going in the opposite direction - breaking up into smaller entities.

It's been going on for a century now, the breakup of the massive empires in the aftermath of WWI and WWII, the breakup of the huge European colonial system, the breakups of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.  The recent list includes Spain, Scotland, peoples like the Basques and Kurds, South Sudan and East Timor, the Brexit vote, the upcoming votes in Italy and France, and plenty more.

When these pigs tell us flooding our country with people who don't like us and aren't like us, shipping our jobs off, wrecking our healthcare insurance system without an adequate replacement, and all the rest of their destructive antics, is good for us, is it really a surprise that those affected don't just go along?

Which group controls government, media, academia, and Hollywood, and thus shapes opinions on all this?

These things aren't new. 1848 was known as the Year of Revolutions. Just because a large group of people want something to happen doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good idea. Globalisation is going to happen whether you want it to or not, you aren't going to change that at the ballot box. The people who voted for Brexit, for example, were infected by some kind of romantic notion about Britain as she was 200 years ago, not now. I don't hear much from them other than a sort of atavism and xenophobia. I do try to listen for alternative views, but I don't come across much coherence. When they get what they want they need to have an idea of what they are going to do when they get there. But they don't.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 03, 2016, 09:52:31 AM
I'm not sure why this is a ringing endorsement for globalism, or even Socialism

What happened after WW2? To save you googling it, I'll tell you. The voted out Churchill and brought in a Socialist government, much to your scorn and contempt no doubt, but there you go.

Art Bell - the Red Adair of PR. As soon as he sees a fire, his first instinct is to spray it with gasoline.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 03, 2016, 09:19:08 AM
We need to hand over more power (and tax dollars) to the would be Helper Do-Gooders, and hope for the best.  What could go wrong?

I quite agree. Now that you've handed the Treasury over to Mr Munchkin, I'm sure the whole thing will go swimmingly. Those finance guys really know how to slice it and never fuck things up.

Quote from: Jackstar on December 03, 2016, 09:27:50 AM
That's really just your opinion

Of course it's my bloody opinion! Whose opinion am I supposed to have, Henry Kissinger's? Britney Spears? The difference is that I'm British, so my opinion has more weight than some oaf from Assfuck, Idaho. I'm sure you agree.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 03, 2016, 09:19:08 AM
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, the Kim's in North Korea, they were Helper Do-Gooders, simply trying to ''supply answers to the problem of economic equality''.

We need to hand over more power (and tax dollars) to the would be Helper Do-Gooders, and hope for the best.  What could go wrong?

You forgot Hitler. But your buddies were quite keen on him at one time, weren't they? He was just a strong man getting the job done.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 02, 2016, 08:43:27 PM
You must be quite mystified about what caused the Brexit vote, the Trump vote, the upcoming votes in Italy and France.  How could all these people be so wrong about what their betters are offering them?

You take Nigel Farage seriously over there. The prosecution rests.

They are just protest votes, that's all. They aren't about anything except giving the people in charge the finger. That's not necessarily a bad thing, until you start to ponder what will arrive in its place. Brexit is a total bugger's muddle, for instance, because nobody ever stopped to wonder what happens next. The actual practicalities of disengaging from everything are going to be terrifyingly complex, but that's nothing compared to voting a used-car salesman leader of the free world.

Quote from: Penis mv on December 02, 2016, 02:49:12 PM
Actually, WW2 is within living memory of a great many volk here in Los Estados Unidos.  When I am at the VFW, the older dudes quaff their Scotch like it's tap water and pontificate quite readily about the ass rape that is Europe, europeon politics and it's ppl.   The consensus seems to be that the Euros had us over to settle their shit.  Twice.  Next time, fuck 'em. 

I also remember fm school, that the general opinion of the U.S. is that we were separated fm Europe by the Atlantic Ocean by our creator.  For obvious  reasons.

The difference here is that people actually lived it, in the sense of having to go down to the local underground station when they heard the air raid siren, not knowing if they had a house to get back to the next morning, or if their soldier husbands were still alive. One of my mother's first memories was of being given a gas mask with Mickey Mouse on it; my father remembered German fighters flying overhead when he was at school. I lived half a mile away from a place where they found an unexploded bomb, and felt the floor shake when they had to have a controlled explosion.

Don't imagine that you could have sat back for WW2 and waited it out. Hitler would have come for you eventually, one way or another, so you were only serving your own self-interest.

And change your bloody name back, it's pissing me off! That goes for all those other idiots who have changed theirs. It gives me a headache.

Quote from: Jackstar on December 02, 2016, 02:18:17 PM
I adore that you and I could quite literally be the same poster

There's no need to be nasty, darling.