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Quote from: Lt.Uhura on June 15, 2017, 03:13:08 AM
The rabid right ideologues here at BG can't comprehend that not everyone critical of the Trump WH is a radical leftist. PaperBoy in particular, sees only a world populated by extremes; right/left, either/or, black/white. For him and those like him, everyone who opposes Trump and the GOP is a rock-throwing, black-mask wearing Antifa. It makes their rigid narrative easier to share and repeat among their faithful.

Their celebratory politicizing of yesterday's shooting is an opportunity to aggressively promote their divisive agenda, but will turn defensive when the next shooter comes along claiming to be a Trump supporter. Like gang warfare, the hateful rhetoric from the extreme right and left continues ad infinitum with each shooting. What they don't see is it's the extremism that makes them identical to one another, regardless of their opposing political ideologies.

While people rant at one other about the politics of these shooters, no one wants to discuss the deeper issues, such as the predominance of gun violence, mental illness, and the alarming rise of suicide rates in America. Yesterday's shooter had a documented history of alcohol abuse and aggressive behavior, and was licensed to carry guns. What could go wrong?

I couldn't put it better myself, although reading comprehension isn't a notable skill on this thread so I fear your efforts are wasted. The most salient characteristic of the rabid right is their almost limitless capacity for self-pity. I try not to to read too much of this thread, because it tends to make me forget that most Americans are admirable people, and not the rabble of spiteful inadequates that cluster around here.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 15, 2017, 05:25:48 AM
You do realize that Meister is a radical leftist, don't you?  Do you actually read what that jackass writes?  I've never put you in that camp but maybe I should.

I once pointed out to an irritable person that they had a habit of flying off the handle at every opportunity; to which they replied, red-faced and veins throbbinbg, 'NO I DON'T!!!'.

Well done, you just proved her point.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 13, 2017, 10:45:47 AM
It's why no one likes you.

I must admit, you speak with some authority on the business of unpopularity.  Most sane people would rather have a case of genital warts than a drink with you.

Quote from: pyewacket on June 12, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
It had a good run- 35 years, unfortunately that's all it did towards the end- run.

Fascist code. The 'refrigerator' was really an elderly black servant who was blind and crippled by arthritis. In her own version of welfare reform, she kicked him out the door, gave him five minutes start, and then pursued him with her trusty AK-47 and team of borzois.

Quote from: b🎱man on June 12, 2017, 05:57:41 PM
Apropos of nothing, one of my favorite Falkie lies is that he was on SF Redbook to talk about cats.

A variation on the 'I only get Playboy for the articles' defence.

Quote from: Arnold Pretzelnegger on June 12, 2017, 07:43:25 PM
What in the fuck are you even talking about?  You sound guilty as hell.

That combination of guilt, mendacity, and self-justificatory bluster sounds oddly familiar. Perhaps Twitter isn't the only thing Trump wastes his time on...

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 12, 2017, 09:24:57 PM.             The Left is destructive.  They don't build anything.  Except tyrannies.

Hysterical tabloid pablum. The post-war Socialist government in Britain got a few things done, and we kept the number of gulags to a minimum. The left-wing governments in Scandinavia are not notably tyrannical. The governments of France tend to be broadly Socialist because they remember what life was like in the ancien regime when there was nobody to give them a voice. You take the worst excesses of the left and present them as the rule when there is a spectrum like everything else. You are basically a conspiracy theorist, in your own way.

Quote from: K_Dubb on June 12, 2017, 02:44:12 PM
Would you like a catalog?

I daresay yours has never been opened.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 12, 2017, 02:12:31 PM
I believe in protecting the environment, just not in all the other crap the Left wants to do in its name.  The Left doesn't give a hoot about conservation or the environment, but they are happy to claim to, and use it to further their goal of a one-world Left-wing Fascist government, run by them.

Tell me, which Left-wing countries had or have concern for the environment?  China?  The old USSR?  Cuba?  I'm not seeing the connection between conservation and the Left.  I am seeing a connection between protection of the environment and western democracy - which they hate.

Those countries were industrialising. I can't think of a country that wasn't polluting like mad, regardless of your politics, at that stage of development. I don't see much coming from the private sector to help the environment. They will take their profits and carry on regardless. And they won't be able to organise themselves or provide enough investment to make clean energy a reality. I can't see a free market alternative, maybe you can

Quote from: K_Dubb on June 12, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Haha I am not surprised that, from where you sit, the whole of the right wing foreshortens into a jackbooted mass.  Roderick Spode is your bugbear, not ours.

Though he does wear shorts...

I suspect, like Spode, you secretly design ladies undergarments.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 01:56:40 PM
I'm ashamed to say that I didn't see that one.  Hell, I haven't even watched Advise and Consent though I want to.  Political films have not necessarily been my favorite genre.  I love movies about political figures (Lincoln, John Adams) and that sort of thing but not so much the mechanics of politics and political races.  I have been binging on House of Cards though.

My favorite films of that genre are Mr. Smith.. and All the King's Men (1949).  Of course, Dr. Strangelove and Failsafe too though I don't view them as necessarily political.

I don't recall it being all that great, so I wouldn't make a point of seeing it. The best political film for me would be All the President's Men. Actually, the best thing to watch about the day-to-day compromises of politics (although it won't be for everyone) is the BBC series Yes Minister.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 12, 2017, 01:33:31 PM
Well, his election prevented Hilary's.  We are out of the TPP.  We are out of the Paris Agreement.  We are getting ready to re-set ties to Cuba to a more appropriate level.  We've joined the Arabs in lining up against Iran (and their nuclear program, instead of further green-lighting it).  Deportations are up and illegal immigration is down.  Companies have more confidence in the business environment.  We may end up with something better than a deteriorating ObamaCare.  We may end up with tax reform that encourages economic activity.  There may be deep cuts or even eliminations of some of the useless programs and agencies.  There are going to be more federal court appointments than just one seat on the Supreme Court.

We're pressuring China on trade.  We're pressuring the EU on trade.  We're pressuring the NATO countries to live up to their funding commitments.  He's doing what he can to keep unvetted Moslems out of our country, and hopefully the message is going out to all of them they and their ideology are unwelcome here. 

You get the idea.

If you weren't such a surly bastard you'd be almost cute. Yes, his election stopped Hillary, you got me there. Most of that stuff is speculative. We'll see the wisdom of anti-immigration policies in a few decades. The people you don't like are the only ones having kids in any numbers, and if you kick them out that will be bad news for an ageing population. Paris? Knock yourself out. It's an odd sort of conservative that has no concern to conserve things but no doubt you know best. You give me business confidence with lower taxes and I give you Brownback's little Laffer Curve experiment in Kansas. Let's see how it all goes first.

Quote from: K_Dubb on June 12, 2017, 01:12:37 PM
Now that is a little unhinged.  His defense of the travel ban, really his first test of executive authority, has been entirely conventional, even boring.  I remember serious people speculating he'd defy the judge.

Give him time, and a terrorist attack. He's only just got his feet under the table.

Quote from: Jackstar on June 12, 2017, 01:00:24 PM
The U.S. President is an actual figurehead, like your Queen was, before she was possessed by lizards from another dimension.

He has no actual power. He is a puppet. These actions, both real and potential, that you rail against, have nothing to do with the man, Donald J. Trump.


Irrelevant. The dude is locked in--he couldn't cancel a drink order.

You'll be a puppet too if you keep on talking about the Queen (god bless her and all who sail in her) like that. It will be a full-blown hand-up-arse situation, and I won't even bother cutting my nails.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 12:52:58 PM
Don't think I have not been concerned about Trump abusing executive power.  I have and I worried about it prior to the election.  His predecessor set a terrible precedent and Trump has straddled the line.  I'll be the first to criticize if I find him in clear violation.  I voted for him because of his promise regarding the Supreme Court.  He did what I wanted so I've got to give him credit for that.  I want him off Twitter and he should stop with these stupid pep rallies.  Yeah, you won the election but it is not about you, Donald.  It is about the country.

I'm sure you remember Robert Redford in The Candidate: 'what do we do now?'. That's Trump, he'll wing it because he believes there is no such thing as bad publicity and needs to create chaos to feel important. Whether a SC seat is a fair exchange for what he brings with it is debatable.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
I make no bones about it. I think a Hillary presidency would have been worse for America than a Trump presidency.  I think America is in a precarious position at this point in her history. Our freedoms have been eroded by both parties and the courts have become increasingly politicized to the detriment of justice and codified law. Executive power is getting out of hand as Congress has surrendered much of its power to the executive branch. Of course, that is simply my opinion.  Feel free to disagree.

I don't understand how Trump is an antidote to that, or even a sticking plaster. He is executive power on steroids. If he could find a way to cancel elections, he would.

Quote from: Yorkshire Pudiphile on June 12, 2017, 11:51:23 AM
Gay British porn.

Is there any other kind? I sent you a very choice selection of vids last month and you still haven't reimbursed me for postage.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 10:48:12 AM
Biased?  Maybe so but I doubt anyone would get that from that post.  I criticized those on the right who think Comey will be charged with a crime just as I criticized those on the left about Trump. I'm being fairly even-handed in my observations here.  You are only confirming how warped and to the left you are to take it any other way.

My criticisms of Trump have nothing to do with right or left. When I talk about bias I mean the kind of thing where you once said that Hillary was more of a threat than Russia. Trump is holding you hostage because you are terrified of the other side.

Quote from: (((The King of Kings))) on June 12, 2017, 09:28:19 AM
Secondly, James Comey, Director of the FBI said under oath there was no evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump and the Russians.  Diane Feinstein, one of the most virulent "anti-trumpers", someone who sits on several intelligence boards even said a few days ago there was zero evidence.

When you have the Director of the FBI and Diane Feinstein saying there was no evidence, it is rather hard to argue against that, unless you have some unhinged "flat-Earther" level of delusion.

Leave aside the fact that Trump acts like a guilty man, is desperate to try and exonerate himself at every opportunity, and fired the man investigating him. Maybe he is just an idiot who doesn't understand the consequences of his behaviour. Or the fact that so many people in his circle have connections to Russia. Or that his actions almost always coincide with the wishes of the Kremlin. You could explain those away, I guess.

Nobody said Trump was being investigated, it's his own guilty conscience that made this an issue. The question is whether they discover any malfeasance in his team that then leads to the top, as in Watergate. So far no, but the investigation is still going on. Do you think they are going to blurt everything to the media and jeopardise its progress? No, they wait until they firm it up and then make their case. Don't forget the crucial difference between intelligence and evidence. There may well be a lot of raw data that isn't ready to take to court yet. This business about evidence doesn't mean they found nothing. Trump seems like one of those witnesses who you just let talk and they end up incriminating themselves anyway, so I expect the people looking into it are playing a waiting game.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2017, 05:49:46 AM
Comey won't be charged and Trump will not be impeached.  Absolutely nothing will happen to anybody on the right or left or in-between regarding Russia or the election.  Check that.  Maybe something will happen to Flynn but not much. I'd advise folks to get their heads out of the sand.

You can't possibly know there is nothing to the Trump Russia stuff. No doubt you were one of those who scoffed about Russian interference, and now even Shirtless Vlad admits it. Like so many, you silo off the information you don't like and believe the stuff that confirms your biases.

Quote from: malachi.martini 🍸 on June 11, 2017, 06:20:10 PM

If this is your blushing way of asking for a signed photograph, I can only suggest you contact my agent and get in line like everyone else. In answer to your obvious follow-up question, I don't send out DNA.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 11, 2017, 05:39:43 PM
You should make hemlock a regular part of your diet too. 

Instead of trying to come up with wanky put-downs you ought to pay more attention to my teachings. It might be a bit late in the day, since you're so fuckng old, but I like to think there is some good in even the humblest creatures.

Quote from: malachi.martini 🍸 on June 11, 2017, 05:14:07 PM
>delusional britbong
>chemical imbalance predisposes him to a lifetime of honing faggy barbs
>levels them at hapless obese jew from pittsburgh for the better part of a decade
>closest thing to Socrates

Some of that was unfair and actually rather hurtful, but Socrates had his critics too. Let's face it, your obvious frustration comes from the fact that the car crash gif was your Citizen Kane, and it's been pisswater ever since. Eaten up by bitterness, you solace yourself with mouth-breathing attacks on those more attractive and gifted.

Quote from: Jackstar on June 11, 2017, 04:07:50 PM
Look, look, there it is, there it is--the erudition.

My apologies. I'd like to send you a gift to make up for my most grievous fault. I was thinking flowers. Know anyone who can help? I'd like the 'no sexual harassment service' please.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 11, 2017, 03:38:24 PM
Thanks for giving me the best laugh I've had in awhile. 

I always try to be kind to dumb animals. Yours sounds a singularly joyless existence.

Quote from: PaulAtreides on June 11, 2017, 03:23:23 PM
Hmmm.  How much do you believe one might have to pay?

I think we ought to keep prices low during the day, and them flip him over and charge extra for when the bars close.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 11, 2017, 03:24:01 PM
I doubt you really even know what irony is, poser.  :

I'm the closest thing this forum has to Socrates. You're just some boring catamite that gets passed around when there's nothing better to do.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 11, 2017, 03:12:42 PM
You renounce reason for authority. That's your whole problem and why you had to "marry up" and move to Europe. 

The irony of a Trump supporter saying this. Mental plankton, the pack of them.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 11, 2017, 02:52:50 PM
Euroboy.

It takes a particular kind of sub-moron to come up with that.

Quote from: Hoof Hearted on June 11, 2017, 02:52:28 PM
I knew you were mine when I made that joke about smooth bore flintlocks and The British Are Coming.

And then I took a look at your old-fashioned weaponry and the rest was censored.