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Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 16, 2017, 01:46:29 AM
I see.  So to you anyone advocating the rule of law is really advocating tyranny, just like anyone advocating a smaller government is really advocating no government at all?

Don't be naughty. You are advocating a discretionary rule where the leader decides what is and isn't acceptable. These secret service discussions would be abused. If you think portraying Trump as Caesar is equivalent to recommending assassination you are a million miles off the mark.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 16, 2017, 01:43:35 AM
Then what is Pud going on about?

No idea. There used to be a law that prevented him being broadcast on TV, which people got around by dubbing his voice with someone else's. Maybe that's what he meant but they haven't done that for years.

Quote from: malachi.martini 🍸 on June 16, 2017, 01:18:01 AM
How many blokes have to hear this after you ply them with pints?

I rarely require the assistance of intoxicating fluids to get my way. I can't help noticing, though, that this faltering mating ritual you are engaged in needs to be pepped up a bit. You're going to need to show a bit more game than you have heretofore if you are to persuade me out of my trousers and into my silk kimono.

Quote from: malachi.martini 🍸 on June 15, 2017, 06:22:18 PM
Being this disingenuous, lol.  Charming how you vacillate from a transparently asspained media drunk shill, to a measured salesman. Look lads, it's all the same, with one exception of course, the real danger of fascism!  It's like watching any of the morally repugnant DNC shills fumble through interviews, wearing poor approximations of smiles to sell the public on their rubbish.

There isn't much here worth responding to. I'm guessing you're in your twenties and feel intimidated by anything outside your own narrow experience. Try not to let it show next time.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 15, 2017, 06:25:16 PM
Banned?  Absolutely not.  Corporate sponsors shamed into defunding - yes.  Public money withdrawn - yes.  Secret Service arranging a ''discussion'' with the various people involved - yes.  Depending on the Secret Service findings, possible arrest and prosecution of the various people involved - yes.  Banned?  Nah.

Isn't it the UK, who banned Michael Savage while letting people threatening the Queen and teach hate and subversion in their mosques roam free?  Or as Pud has mentioned many times, allowed Gerry Adams to roam free, while being put out that we didn't do anything about him when he would come to the US?  In other words we don't need lectures from you on any of this, so kindly butt out. 

How is the prosecution of the Moslem pedophiles coming along anyway - has a Sharia court there let them off?

So, you want things you dislike banned, you're just not prepared to say so. You rely on the leader not to abuse these 'discussions' with the secret service. People like you are very dangerous because you never look beyond the immediate problem. Someone like Trump would use any leverage he could to intimidate opponents and you would sit back and let him do it.

I'm not responsible for what my govt does and neither are you. Adams is free because he hasn't committed a crime. Countries can let people in at their discretion, the decision isn't up to me. You would probably be in favour of 'pre-crime' too, telling yourself that it's all for our own good. And it's people like you who continually bore us about the dangers of govt tyranny!

Quote from: Happier Times are coming ! on June 15, 2017, 04:17:55 PM
am I considered an "undesirable" ?

Tiim ee!

Quote from: brig on June 15, 2017, 04:11:50 PM
I can relate to your concerns...

Sadly, even with a worker's cooperative, I'm afraid we would unavoidably have tattle tales in the group.

We need a security staff to safeguard the revolution, so that saboteurs can be identified and shot. I think we should shoot OLG as a precautionary measure anyway, pour encourager les autres. As they say in Italy.

Quote from: brig on June 15, 2017, 03:52:05 PM
Well, I think you should be in charge.

I see two problems there: I would almost certainly become drunk with power and wield it for evil rather than promoting Brand Senda. Secondly, when Senda wins the lottery (any day now), not to mention flush with cash from the Noory TV deal (I understand they are in in final negotiations with a herd of pygmy moose from Greenland), he will come after me with his team of lawyers. He already holds a grudge over the Senda Diaries (now available in paperback) so I'm afraid I can't take the risk. I think we should organise a worker's cooperative.

Quote from: brig on June 15, 2017, 03:40:42 PM
I understand.  Unlike George tho, perhaps we could torture the undesirables, by allowing them to read the thread, while not being allowed to post in it.

Yes, and I can think we can trust the members of the new Elite Falkie Thread not to fill it with pictures of underage girls - with the exception of White Crow, who needs to go to the review board first.

Quote from: brig on June 15, 2017, 03:30:14 PM
You mean like a new Fortress?  (Only able to be posted in by those approved of by our elected committee)?

Yes, there needs to be an entrance requirement. I think we are in danger of watering down our brand by letting too many people in. This used to be an Ivy League of degenerates, but now the admissions standard has reached New River College depths.

Quote from: brig on June 15, 2017, 03:13:34 PM
I'm very happy Shredme is still keeping up with things in Georges world.  Every now and then I think he has left us, or something has happened to him, and I get very very sad.

I don't think a long-term recidivist like me can ever truly escape the Sendaverse. Although I think we are in bit of a creative lull at the moment. Perhaps we should build a wall to keep out undesirables spamming the thread with nonsense and Make the Falkie Thread Great Again? #MTFTGA (which sounds like someone being sick, appropriately enough).

Quote from: K_Dubb on June 15, 2017, 02:15:16 PM
Theater is dangerous

Particularly if you spell it wrong and some Brit (mentioning no names) stabs you in the eye with his fountain pen.

I'm sure I saw a bottle of piss in his fridge. The man is Howard Hughes - a dumb, fat mendicant Howard Hughes.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 15, 2017, 01:54:13 PM
None of that threatened the president, was done in an environment of hostility at this level, or advocated him being murdered. 

Lese Majeste?  You know its a crime to threaten the president, right?  And why that is.  Art Bell even claimed he got an unfriendly visit from the Secret Service for even allowing people to predict a presidential assassination on his prediction shows.  Yet here we are with Julius Caesar as an intentional Donald Trump lookalike being stabbed to death and the crowd roars their approval.  Right after the Kathy Griffin event.  Which is during a full court press bogus attempt to turn him into a fascist dictator and threat to the republic - people like Madonna wanting to burn down the White House, etc, etc, etc.

Look, either you get it or you don't.  Its ok if you don't.

Lese majeste can be applied far more loosely than that, unfortunately. Before you know it you can have everything being submitted for approval before it is performed. In fact, that has been the case everywhere until fairly recently. That is the road you are heading down. There is a real danger of people walking themselves into a fascist state, where they think they are taking measures for their protection, when they are just letting the fox in the hen-house.

If you seriously think that play should be banned you had better explain why.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 15, 2017, 01:15:22 PM
Ok, perhaps you can provide an example of a situation when it would be ok to depict Obama as being murdered.  Don't feel you need to limit your response to a play funded in part with public money, and performed in a public park - movies, books, ''comedy'' routines, a TV episode, a poem - tell me, under what circumstances would people not go nuts, and rightfully so?

This is your problem: you are very literal-minded. It's all very Manichean, never any shades of grey. I can recall lots of pictures of Obama looking like The Joker, as though a conventional moderate politician were really a sadistic killer. I can recall Obama being called a 'demon', and it was meant literally. Not to mention the birther stuff, as though he wasn't an American at all. All these added to the climate of incivility you complain of so often. For instance, I can recall your frequent, and tirelessly unamusing attempts to misspell his his name, for reasons of your own. But this is part and parcel of the childishness of most American politics.

There was a book here a few years ago about Maggie Thatcher being murdered and I don't recall people storming the barricades. I can't think of an example that would offend me with Obama or anyone else. It's fiction. You are getting perilously closer to advocating for 'lese majeste' here.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 15, 2017, 12:46:47 PM
It wasn't really a question, and the example was very specific.  There just really is no equivalence to the hate, violence, and all around vileness of the Left in the political arena in this country

Sorry, I mistook a question mark at the end of a sentence to mean that you were asking a question. Silly me. You weren't specific at all, context is everything. If they put on a play called 'Kill That Nigger' featuring an Obama lookalike, I can imagine eyebrows being raised. The whole point of JC - and in this reading - is that political assassination is wrong. If it is saying anything, it is saying DON'T kill him. I don't expect this to convince you but I did my best.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 15, 2017, 12:21:05 PM
Oh, ok.  So no one is going to mind if some play is ''updated'' and an Obama look alike is lynched, right?  Put on with public money, performed in a public space.  Just, you know, artistic expression

Give me a specific example and I can answer that question. At the moment all you are giving me is sound and fury signifying nothing.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 15, 2017, 11:53:17 AM
Let me put it this way.  He is a very political person.  I can't say that I'm 100% sure but I am about 90% sure.  And yes, you are right on regarding the latter point but NYC isn't a haven of Trump support as we saw in the election.  I know a few supporters there but they are rare especially in Manhattan. Many living there don't have much love for him and I can't say I necessarily blame them.

If he left at the interval then perhaps you have a point.

It doesn't say much for the man that his home state dislikes him. But it seems that he is more widely regarded as a bit of a joke and a chancer. Yorkie would know the expression, but he comes across as a 'wide boy' rather than a businessman. And I've never known a real heavy-hitter in the business world needing to be a reality TV star.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on June 15, 2017, 11:31:34 AM
Save some of the cobblestones for the owners of that building in London that went up in flames yesterday and some for whoever is responsible for enforcing fire safety standards.  This could happen in any big city and I'm not singlng out Brits for criticism.  At the risk of stating the obvious, there is either corruption or depraved indifference or both involved here and I'll be interested in what the investigation reveals.

When people talk about how good deregulation is, it's worth remembering what it can lead to. You get people more concerned with their bottom line than bothering with safety.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 15, 2017, 11:26:16 AM
Alec Baldwin made it a point to go see it after all the hubbub.  I guarantee you he was motivated by the opportunity to see Trump eat dirt and I'm sure he wasn't the only one.

You don't see think he's ever gone to see a play because of word of mouth and press coverage? I don't know about him, but lots of people will go and see something because it gets talked about.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on June 15, 2017, 11:19:57 AM
I still have more natural teeth in my head than the average Brit 30-year-old

I hope you take good care of them both.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 15, 2017, 11:13:46 AM
They were just trying to be edgy. Hey, kids! You know what else is real edgy? Civil war. Did Shakes ever write about that? 

JC is about civil war, darling.

Apart from that, not really. Just Henry IV (1 and 2), Henry VI (1, 2 and 3), Richard II, and Richard III. Off the top of my head anyway.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on June 15, 2017, 11:01:15 AM
Do you suppose they might have done the play without using a Trump figure?   Shakespeare's writting would probably hold up don't you think?

Of course, but plays get updated all the time. I'm sure the producers had an eye on the box office but people who see it as incitement to violence aren't all that acute. This is a Shakespeare audience, we're not talking about multiplex moron fodder , so I don't think you will get too many people saying assassination is a good idea.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on June 15, 2017, 09:33:17 AM
Its time to turn the hate-filled rhetoric down a notch or three.

Fuck you! I'm busy lifting up cobblestones to throw at the police and you start in with all this peace and love shit. Go make your daisy chains somewhere else.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 15, 2017, 10:17:34 AM
I don't like censorship, let me state that right now.  That is one of the things that separates me from other conservatives.  I don't have a problem with people satirizing Trump or anybody else for that matter.  However, joking about killing a sitting President and other Republicans is going too far.  If conservatives had shown a bloody head or made an Obama Julius Caesar, the left and media would have been all over them and they would be right to do so.

I didn't see many people supporting Kathy Griffin. I think most people found that a step too far, as did I. Take it as it was, somebody out for attention. JC was about a democratic leader who was killed because he wanted to make himself a king. But (important point) the plot ends up killing the plotters too, eventually. Shakespeare was very conservative in many ways and the point of the play is to show how it was a bad idea to upset the order of things. Brutus is a noble figure but misguided.

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 15, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
Yes, that's the equivalent of a year long barrage of hate and lies, followed by an assassination attempt.

Glad you agree. I'm always happy to help.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on June 15, 2017, 08:45:23 AM
No wonder Australians see you Pomies as insufferable assholes.  If you were to insult my wife as an Australian woman as you just did in my physical presence I guarantee you would be dragged out with missing teeth and a broken jaw at the very least.  Do not doubt that even in my dotage I still have the strength and skill to make good on that threat.

Say you do wrestle me to the ground in some sort of senile death-grip, and I lost a few teeth, I'd still have more than you. It must get pretty tiresome gumming those rusks dipped in milk for din-dins every night. As for Australian women, I always have great respect for people who can grow a better moustache than me, and I'm sorry you took it the wrong way. As for that remark about Poms, we are almost drowning in geniality and politeness here, you delirious old goat!

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 15, 2017, 08:47:11 AM
First we have the Kathy Griffin shit, then the Trump Julius Caesar and now people were shot yesterday by a crazy leftist.  Can you honestly blame people for being a bit upset?  This shit needs to stop now.

Chaplin made The Great Dictator, Brecht wrote Arturo Ui. None of this is new. This is getting close to the sort of thing you would get in absolutist monarchies, where books and plays were heavily censored if they even alluded to the monarch. Although Trump's weird cabinet meeting was right out of King Lear, asking people to say how much they loved him.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on June 15, 2017, 07:06:19 AM
My wife is from Brisbane.

My condolences. No wonder you're so ornery. Australian 'women' are notoriously unfussy about who they choose to mate with, and a guy like you probably wasn't overwhelmed with options. Remember to keep an eye on your valuables (not that you probably have any). She'd have the pacemaker out of your chest if she was ever sober enough to wield a knife.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 15, 2017, 05:51:23 AM
The only person I routinely fly off the handle at is Meister.  I have never attacked you severely because you make some good points sometimes and you don't spout bs, day in and day out..  Meister incites reactions everyday even from reasonable people in the middle like WOTR.

I was using an example from real life, not talking about you (cf my remark about reading comprehension above) to illustrate a point Uhura made. You went diving in with both feet in a way that demonstrated exactly what she said.

I never mind what anyone says about me. At best it will amuse me, at worst it will bore me and I will ignore it.