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Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 12:46:06 PM
Oh I see.  Republicans are incorruptable. Got it.  Mueller personally delivered a sample of U.S. Uranium to The Russians.  He sat on the prosecution of the Russian agents who had been indicted until after the Uranium sale and the trial was conducted in virtual secrecy with the verdict being handed down the day before Xmas.  Within months, Obama swapped them for Americans being held by the Russians.  As for Comey, Lordy,  his corruption is out there for all too see.  Clinton coverup x2,
Lies to Congress, leaking, etc.  I love it when he makes a rat face, don’t you)

Is this the same Comey who Trump praised (together with the rest of the FBI) in late 2016 for the great and courageous work he was doing in regards to Clinton? Yes...I think it might be.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-praises-james-comey-230542


https://youtu.be/1Psdzf_HQSk

What changed? Hmmmmmmmm...Oh I know, please, let me say why!! Michael Flynn was investigated because he was a paid foreign agent and hadn't declared it. And then Trump fired Comey because he wouldn't stop investigating him nor would he pledge allegiance to Trump...

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Junior got the money from the Mob not the Russians (or  maybe it was the Russian Mob.)

Then why didn't he say?    All this silly misunderstanding would have been avoided then!

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 01:34:24 PM
See my full response above.  (Unintentional premature launch)

Robert Steele is Christopher Steele’s homosexual brother whom you’ve been observed in the company of in a gay disco wearing a leather bustier, matching thong and 9 inch platform heels.  (It’s all in the dossier.)  He goes by the name “Boo.”  Well, answer the question.

So? Your dossier is completely fake, they're actually 8 inch heels.. The rest is accurate but you got the heel height wrong, so it's all faked.

Ooops.. Jeff Sessions might be feeling the heat. He's just released a statement (with among other things) support for the FBI. Hannity and Jones will be reaming him. I suppose he can always say he can't recall saying it.. 

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 12:46:06 PM

Hope Hicks has denied ever saying that.

Her lawyer has on her behalf...And Trump has also denied saying he said he could grab pussy...In Trumpworld a denial is as good as innocence. Perfect. It matters not what we think, but Mueller will almost certainly listen to what Mark Corallo has to say. He's not a lawyer, but legally savvy enough to know that what she suggested was problematic, and I for one don't blame him for getting his ass out of that.

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The only wrong-doing here is on the part of the FBI and Democrats and the MSM who participated as willing accomplices.

Of course, of course... Does this include the current director of the FBI (Trump appointed) that Nunes and Trump countermanded after he advised not to release anything?

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  However, I’m beginning to suspect that you are somehow involved in this crime against Americans.  How long have you known Robert Steele and what was the nature of your relationship?

I don't know a Robert Steele, do you? But it's interesting you mention crimes against Americans..How are you on Trump laundering money from the Russian (Putin favoured) oligarchs?


Can you ever recall an innocent person spend so much time and effort in trying to discredit those investigating him?

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 02, 2018, 12:41:10 PM
You want to point to all of those sources and methods you said would be compromised?  Can you point to anything in this memo that should have been classified Top Secret?

'Top Secret' on the header was redacted..  Really.

Quote from: Jackstar on February 02, 2018, 12:27:05 PM
You know who killed Kennedy, don't you?

A flower delivery boy? 

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 12:25:26 PM

Yeah, he’s really in a hole ain’t he.  No one including you believes that.

Oh, I think you'll find more can see hes been in a hole for months...Even Trump and his family know.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 12:22:05 PM
The word is that the memo reveals only .10 of the wrong doing and attempts to whitewash on the part of the D’s.  Again, we’ll see.

It's worthwhile knowing that it hasn't been released to put wrongs right in the FBI, DoJ, CIA or to have the back of Carter Page..Trump doesn't give a shit about Carter Page. It's been released to try and take heat off Trump. It's a corrupt misuse of congress to protect Trump-I know without asking that the GOP wouldn't stand for it if it had been a Dem POTUS, or even if Trump had been Dem. It's the equivalent of a mafia boss getting one of his minions to pour shit on the police investigating the boss and the rest of the world agreeing with the boss. Trump has effectively said that the FBI cannot be trusted to gather or present evidence pertaining to any crime in case later down the line that evidence is heavily de-contextualised to help a POTUS facing legal jeopardy.  In the wider legal sphere, does this now mean a suspected terrorist can strike down evidence that has been obtained via a FISA warrant and it be supported because Trump set a precedent?

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 12:15:53 PM
Uh huh, we’ll see.   When you’re in a hole and can’t get out it’s a good idea to stop digging.

You're right...Trump just can't help himself though...

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 12:09:39 PM
Thanks.  I just read it on another website.  There is no way that the memo reveals any classified material nor does it give up any methods or sources.  The Dems lied.  There is no way that the D’s and the media spin their way out of this but I can’t wait to see what their story is.

It doesn't reveal context either..Nor does it say that Carter Page (disowned by Trump last year) wasn't worthy of FISA warrants.. Interestingly it isn't complete. You know don't you that this 'memo' was formulated in the WH, passed onto Nunes' bitch and then passed back to Trump (Nunes did the same last year). You know that the republicans passed the use of FISA warrants don't you?

Quote from: Gd5150 on February 02, 2018, 12:06:48 PM
Like...

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/372019-mccain-attacks-on-fbi-serve-no-american-interests

What did Ole Donny do in the war grandad?

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 11:49:37 AM
I don’t recall even thinking that.  There are questions about Mueller having a a vested interest because of his involvement in the Uranium deal and long-time friendship with Comey.  However, not everyone who has served his country or even been been decorated is virtuous throughout his life.  Shit, I’ve been decorated for meritorious service and look at me.  I rest my case.

Comey and Mueller are both registered republicans. The uranium deal was passed through seven (read seven) different (bi partisan) committees, none of which involved Clinton before it was passed.

In the case of Trump (aided by his courtiers in the GOP) he is terrified that Mueller is closing in. Just the things made public (And importantly none by Mueller) show that there are lots of events since before his nomination that show Trump and his circus have connections with Putin, the Kremlin and various oligarchs that were/are subject to sanctions and investigations from the CIA and FBI. Eric said back in 2009 on a golf course when asked how they managed to finance their golf courses in the recession of 2007-2008, replied, that they had no need for American banks as they got their money from Russia.

On AF1 Trump framed an alternative reason that Jr, Kushner and Manafort had their meeting in Trump tower with various Russians. AFTER Jr's e mails had been released to show he went along expecting to find shit on Clinton from the Russians. It seems now it's possible Hope Hicks suggested the e mails wouldn't be an issue as they could disappear...And that's why the legal rep resigned, because he saw how compromising it was.

To suggest that the FBI has formed a self enclosed unit to bring down Trump is ridiculous..The Strzck fiasco has died a death I see after it was revealed he was the joint author of reopening the e mail investigation against Clinton in 2016. By all accounts he hasn't much time for any politician.

Quote from: Uncle Duke on February 02, 2018, 09:43:42 AM
Certainly any issue relative to rearming the Argentine military has definite fiscal elements, but the Brits did put political pressure on the Chinese (and Pakistanis) to not sell the Argies the jointly Chinese/Pakistani produced JF-17 fighters.
The Chinese initially offered the Argies a sweetheart of a deal that was tied to China building/upgrading a space tracking station somewhere in Argentina.  I remember at the time PMing a few people here with NASA connections (GS? Dyna-X?) asking if they were aware of PRC tracking station in Argentina.  The details of why the deal fell through were never made clear, but Brit pressure and Argentine money problems both contributed.  It's also noteworthy that about the same time articles began appearing in the professional military aviation press that the JF-17 was not meeting expectations and was not as capable as had been advertised.

It's unlikely Argentina could afford anything that was capable of matching the Typhoons and their crews stationed at Stanley.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 11:25:51 AM
Of course there are many indiviual’s in California (mostly in the western and northern part of the state) who aren’t radical leftists.  But there are enough of them to elect Governer Moonbeam and control the state legislature and the big city governments.  California’s reputation as being the home of fruits and nuts is well deserved and growing. 

Q:  How many Californians does it take to change a light bulb.
A:  Six. One to turn the bulb, one to provide emotional support and four to share the experience.

As is there constitutional right. The same way it was the right of over 600000 people to vote to try and get a child abusing bible basher into the Senate.

We (Laura and I) don't agree with a lot of what goes on in Sacramento, let alone CA. And talking to people, many feel the same way, the chickens are coming home to roost because the head shed in the city hall has recently been fielding some shit directed at him. It's why a two party electoral system doesn't work very well. And these days it's more divisive than it ever has been.

My cousin and her husband are coming over to SF next february to begin a cruise to Australia and will spend a few days before they leave. We're going to spend as little time in SF with them as possible. If you look at the tourism reviews, it's almost universally battered by tourists and residents alike.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 10:46:45 AM

Hey Pud and SV. I invite you to watch the below video and tell us again what a right wing hack the “Hippy” is.  Contempt prior to investigation is something dumbshits do.


https://youtu.be/SD7fBRf5YrY

Just to ask. Does this mean that Mueller (Decorated ex Marine) and the other CIA and FBI agents who were former military personnel are not lowest of the low after all? I do hope so.

Quote from: StarrMountain on February 02, 2018, 11:12:28 AM
House Intelligence Committee web site.  This is where the official Memo politically motivated four page Nunes gimp offering to save his king will be posted sometime today.

https://intelligence.house.gov/

FIFY

Quote from: Gd5150 on February 02, 2018, 11:08:38 AM

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Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 11:03:47 AM

Classy.  You can take the low-life out of the ghetto but you can’t take the ghetto out of the low-life.

Oh come on. Neither of us has paid to shag a porn star a few months after our other half had given birth and then years later just before an election arranged to pay her to keep schtum about it . Now, that wasn't classy.

Quote from: StarrMountain on February 02, 2018, 11:01:32 AM
Release The Memo.  FOX Live.


https://youtu.be/NoWz8zrsaOo

As long as Fox own the fallout afterwards.. 

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 10:55:08 AM
He hass veys.

...He said in court when he tried to sue the author of 'The Art of the deal' that he appraised his wealth (The author said he wasn't worth anywhere near the $5 billion he'd claimed) it depended on how he felt on any given day..

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 10:46:45 AM

Hey Pud and SV. I invite you to watch the below video and tell us again what a right wing hack the “Hippy” is.  Contempt prior to investigation is something dumbshits do.


https://youtu.be/SD7fBRf5YrY

I largely agree with him, but he came unstuck by suggesting that 'That's the way California is going these days'.. A teacher saying something like that doesn't mean all of CA (or any other state or profession within) agrees with them. I would imagine (and hope) that the parents would take the teacher to task and demand an explanation.

Quote from: Gd5150 on February 02, 2018, 10:20:25 AM
It would be hard for any American President to compete with the ratings Obama generated. You’ve got the addition of his religion of over a billion Muslims plus who can forget those from his homeland of Kenya watching.

Which President’s SOTU had higher ratings is the kind of irrelevant statistic that should be reserved for the worthless left. What matters most is Trumps SOTU was the most beautifullest.

https://www.nytimes.com/news/business/NYT/2018/01/30/americans-are-blessed-with-most-beautifullest-SOTU-evar/?utm_term=.874962578ab13

Absolutely.. That's why Trump makes a big deal about how popular he thinks he is. 

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on February 02, 2018, 12:09:00 AM
I don't think the Rs had a thing to do with the Obama Administration applyng for FISA warrants under false pretenses, illegally using them to spy on the Trump campaign, illegally unmasking Americans, illegally spreading the results of their spying around to their toadies in various agencies, and illegally leaking it to the media.  If that were ever let loose for public consumption, it would be massive - I'm not sure the Ds would be able to salvage much by putting out accusations of their own at that point.

As I mentioned, I haven't read it - I'm not going to follow every twist and turn on this: either release the memo or don't - but when was the last time the Republican ''leadership'' in DC did anything other than what I posted - miss the opportunity, and help the Ds out of their messes?

You're an idiot. No administration can apply for a FISA warrant. Neither Obama's, Trump's, Bush or Clinton's. Not only that, but any warrant (after going through the hands of various lawyers to check every crossed t and dotted i), then and only then goes to a judge who has to be satisfied that every single facet of the application made has corroborating evidence. In other words a 'dossier' or any other part of any evidence won't by itself stand as evidence alone. Then and only then if all those criteria are met will the judge issue it. It is specific and cannot be used for anything else, nor can it's existence be revealed.

This alleged 'memo' is, we're told a four page selective precis pertaining to Carter Page (You remember him? The Trump circus said he was of no importance to Trump) has one purpose only. And that is to try and deflect away from Trump. Which presents a dichotomy: Ryan yesterday said it should not be used or seen as undermining Mueller, and on the same day Trump tweeted that's exactly what it would be used for. In other words, a very clumsy attempt at obstructing justice. His press spokeswoman Sarah last year tweeted that when anyone attacks the FBI they're losing.. 

Sarah Sanders‏Verified account
@SarahHuckabee
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When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing" Sarah Sanders added,
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@politicalwire
‘The FBI Is Trumpland’ https://politicalwire.com/2016/11/03/the-fbi-is-trumpland/ … via @politicalwire
12:12 PM - 3 Nov 2016

https://twitter.com/sschreiber13/status/862522796768997377

Schadenfreude?

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 01, 2018, 01:07:02 PM
Unlike the Obama holdovers that leaked Crypto clearance details about the data collection process, release of this information is following the laws for release.

Hmm, But in this case, the FBI director and the DAG (Both Trump appointed) have let their concerns be made public. But it's fine, Trump must be protected. How else can that be done unless his gimps fall into line?

Quote from: Gd5150 on February 01, 2018, 01:07:12 PM
Statistics are a neat thing, you can cherry pick 1 and run with it. This is nothing new. The Trump corporate tax cut is the biggest in history,

Yep, you proved it...You cherry picked it. 

Now post what it is across the board..

Quote from: pyewacket on February 01, 2018, 01:13:21 PM
So what you're saying is- this is what keeps you up at night?

Didn't keep me up sweedie. I was just pointing out that it's vital to Trump that he wants everyone to believe him, even when the stuff he says is provable. I'm sure that you'd say jack shit if it wasn't Trump saying it. Naaa, I don't. 

Quote from: pyewacket on February 01, 2018, 01:01:49 PM
For the sake of continuing this conversation, (yes, I hear that collective Bellgab sigh of "no, please don't") but I, my good man, am curious. If I were to agree with you, on all your points, what have you accomplished? Would you feel better physically? Would this improve your emotional/mental state? Would it make you more money and/or put more food on your table? Would this put a smile on your face and make the world seem to be a better place? What changes for you, personally?

Please, don't take my word on this matter. Climb the mountain and listen to the Oracle of Chappaqua.

I'll turn that on its head. If Trump instead of lying everyday about a range of topics that in his head make him look far better than he is, and today had an epiphany and vowed to not only be truthful (even where telling the truth is better for him than lying) but not demand loyalty to him from everyone, would you and the rest of the cult realise that until that point you'd been duped?

As for me, I frankly couldn't give a shit that Trump lies if it makes him feel good and the cult lap it up...What I do care about is how it undermines the security of the world, the standing of everyone in the USA to the rest of the word (and it might not matter to you, but the minority of the electorate who voted for Trump do not represent the USA), and the future of both.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 01, 2018, 12:52:38 PM
Will the Groundhog see its shadow tomorrow or will it be overshadowed by the memo???

#MAGA

This 'memo' is the heavily contracted Nunes version of classified information. And depending on what is released (it goes without saying it's to try and protect Trump and nothing to do with telling the truth) it could compromise the methods, and tactics used by the FBI to find terrorists and other bad people...But that's okay cos Trump must be protected at all costs.

Quote from: Taaroa on January 31, 2018, 10:59:25 PM
Sounds like they're rearming for Round 2   

"French President announced on Jan. 26 that the defense ministers of Argentina and France have signed a contract for the sale of five Super Etendards to Argentina."




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJZkWyBWHE

That wouldn't end well for them if they so much as switched on their targeting radar near the Falklands. I think they're sensible enough to know that. 

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 01, 2018, 11:13:29 AM
I do agree with you that his tax cuts are the highest or greatest ever.  Reagan owns that achievement.

It doesn't matter that you agree with me. The figures speak for themselves. But it didn't stop Trump suggesting otherwise. The problem is that some believe him.