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Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:03:01 PM
The other night I was trying to nail you, and you know I love it when you play hard to get, but this was a genuine curiosity. If you cannot believe in something you cannot see when it comes to a Creator, how can you believe in something proscribed to be an integral part of the human body that cannot be found in a book of anatomy?

Earl Grey, hot

https://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

Did a physician once attempt to measure the weight of the human soul?

MacDougall seems not to have made any more experimental breakthroughs regarding the measurement of the human soul after 1911 (at least, none considered remarkable enough to have been reported in the pages of the New York Times), and he passed away in 1920. Nonetheless, his legacy lives on in the oft-expressed maxim that the human soul weighs 21 grams. (At the moment of death, MacDougall’s first test subject decreased in weight by three-fourths of an ounce, which is 21.3 grams.)

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2018, 02:56:06 PM
TL;DR and it's all bullshit anyway.  :

You didn't read it so it matters not what your opinion is Babs.  :

Quote from: Gd5150 on February 03, 2018, 02:49:59 PM
Yes a great example of intelligence, confidence, and power for today’s yute. To be able to handle that room full of corrupt media the way she does on a daily basis is impressive.

Miss the days of MSM hardball questions to Obama and his team. “Did Barak have any dreams last night? What were they”

“What’s Michele going to wear today? Sleeveless?”

“Can I get a signed 8x10 of Barak before you leave?”

I know crap eh? Questions like "Does the president think making inflammatory tweets to goad the fat kid in NK might prompt a preemptive strike of nuclear missiles?" are so fucking soft eh?

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 02:30:39 PM
I am really starting to like Sarah Sanders. Whether you like Trump or not, hopefully you can respect her for the job she is doing.



https://youtu.be/kbmieiji9D0

You think? Another who sold her soul, but I have to admire her stamina to stand there and explain the shit that Trump tweets, then contradicts, then agrees with, then , well you know...

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 01:30:53 PM
p.s. Page hasn’t been under investigation since 2013

p.p.s yes he has.. 

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2018, 05:53:18 PM
I know you fled here but you have to understand the plot. Once inside the Beltway, Party, except for reelection purposes, for the most part, disappears on major things. Social issues and the political version of "click bait" exists, to get reelected (many of the "Christians" cheat or are homos and many of the "socialists" live in splendor and rake in $$)  but when the real stuff is concerned the major impetus is to protect the system and bureaucracy (with, a bit, of shuffling between objectives/agencies.) Why, even under your Dear Leader Obama companies like defense contractors, lobbyists, etc still thrived even though, supposedly, the Democrats are "anti-war" and "anti-corporations," etc. And why Democrats, including Schiff I think, voted for Trump to continue to have the power for the spying, etc even though they claim he is a "new Hitler," "idiot," "Russian" agent etc. Why vote through those Bills, like the NDAA, if Trump is that evil and under Russian control? Hmmm.

In other words you hate America, but you loved it until Trump was elected and it all seemed a bit dodgy because in the campaign he was on the stump declaring how shit would come out on Clinton a week or so before Wikileaks had done so. Hmmm, call me cynical but some might think he had an inside track..Oh, Wikileaks was acknowledged by the western spooks to be run from the Kremlin long before Trump announced he was standing as a candidate. Where are you on Snowden?

Is Carter Page in or out with the WH and Trump? Because last year when he was being questioned by the Feds the WH line was he was only a rent boy, I mean peripheral to the Trump campaign (Although he was an advisor) and therefore (like Popudopulous the coffee boy) not important, nothing to see. Now it seems that Page was wronged by the FBI and they're championing his cause because he was important after all.

House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, tweeted after the Nunes memo release: "As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation."

Obvious Democrat. 

On Saturday morning, before heading out for a round of golf, (Where else?) President Donald Trump tweeted this:

"This memo totally vindicates 'Trump' in probe. But the Russian Witch Hunt goes on and on. Their<sic>(He has the best words) was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction (the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead). This is an American disgrace!"


The memo mentions Mueller, erm, never. And it doesn't vindicate anyone. Not even Carter Page who is the apparent subject of the memo (Trump will be angry it isn't about him when he finds out).. It was written by the Trump circus in a very weak and half assed attempt to discredit any investigation into Trump. But it doesn't even do that because in law, I'm fairly sure the defence cannot decide who and what the Prosecution case is going to be nor decide guilt..Yes, I'm pretty sure about that.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2018, 04:28:48 PM
Explain what laws he broke and support it with actual evidence.

Mueller won't tell us yet, has he told you? No? Damn. 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2018, 04:27:53 PM
Using a bullshit dossier as the basis of spying on a political opponent. Is that simple enough for you? Something that peabrain of yours can digest?

Alas, it wasn't the basis...

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The memo makes a considerable effort to draw a line from the Steele dossier to the Page surveillance request to questions about the legitimacy of the Russia investigation as a whole. The memo then notes it was information about George Papadopoulos, another Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, that prompted the launch of the FBI counterintelligence investigation in July 2016 - months before the Page surveillance request was granted.

Read the memo in full on the House website
The things that don't add up about Carter Page
The biggest news was Papadopoulous
Papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian nationals while a Trump campaign adviser and was told by one contact that the Russians had "dirt" on Mrs Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails".

The memo doesn't address any of this, (WHAT A SURPRISE!) instead opting to recount how that investigation was initiated by Peter Strzok, a senior FBI agent who has since become mired in a scandal surrounding an affair with a co-worker in which they made derogatory remarks about Mr Trump via text message on government mobile phones.

Quote from: Jackstar on February 03, 2018, 03:56:49 PM
It was a great memo. It was the best memo.

The best words too.

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The bureau on Wednesday attacked the memo as fundamentally misleading, saying Nunes’ document reflected “material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.” After the memo’s release, the FBI said its criticism stands.

“Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information,” the memo claims, referring to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

Asked if that was a true representation, a source familiar with McCabe’s testimony responded: “100% not.”

If anything, the memo inadvertently makes clear that the FBI was probing possible contacts between Trump associates and Russians before it started looking into Page. The document notes that the bureau started investigating Papadopoulos in July 2016, three months before it sought the first surveillance warrant on Page. :

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2018, 04:25:40 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKUMXTgDMBU

No mention that Fusion GPS was initially financed by RNC rivals to Trump? Oh well I'm sure that will come up in part two...

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2018, 03:56:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM_guk9LC8g

The entire DoJ, including FBI are Democrats; Including Comey (Republican), well okay then...Ahh Rosentein DAG, oh, he's a Republican too, well okay then, what about Jeff Sessions, hang on, I think he's a Republican although his memory is shot...Okay then Mueller is definitely a Democrat, Shit; No? He's a Republican too? Trump is definitely not worried he's in the shit that's why being so innocent he's trying his very hardest to obstruct what Mueller was ordered to do by the DAG. 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2018, 03:29:38 PM
Done! It's shows that the woman you voted for is as corrupt as they come and that all her party acolytes were willing to lock step and break the law for her, the woman you supported and pathetically continue to support. : :

You mean the Nunes partisan scribble that was composed (loosely because he's not very good with words) by Trump, to give back to Nunes who then passed it on to the rest of the committee who haven't read (other than Trey Gowdy and Adam Schiff) the original documents that the 'memo' is alleged to be based on? That one? 

Quote from: StarrMountain on February 03, 2018, 03:23:32 PM

https://youtu.be/_eoLe-M0g6k

Yep, any day now... But don't hold you breath.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 01:16:09 PM
Hey Pud. Was that you that pulled up in the Safeway parking lot and asked Falkie if his name was Al?

Not I...I haven't been to Martinez in years. I don't drive here anyway and the chances of me spending time and money going there by bus is about the same as me winning the lottery jackpot.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 03, 2018, 06:12:17 AM
Oh and one more thing.

America should pass an amendment outlawing Dual Citizenship.

Either you are loyal to the USA or you aren't.  If you don't like it, go back to where you belong.

That would really fuck up ex pat Americans, be careful what you wish for.. Trump isn't loyal to the USA, should he be made persona non grata too?

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 03, 2018, 12:26:36 PM
Sez you the Daily Beast and Bloomberg.  It would be easy enough to cite articles that counter each of the “facts” that you claim and you know it.  But that would be futile.  We’ll review the bidding on this point by point when solid findings become available and perps are walked.

So this isn't stated in the Nunes memo? “The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016,” 


Don't you think it strange that your dear leader (from his golf resort he'd have no time to go to) was tweeting at 3.30 this morning to say how he's vindicated? Well of course you don't..because you and I know the 'memo' was done to please Trump and make him feel good, because he's such an idiot he believes whatever comes into his head that makes him feel good. 

Quote from: Gd5150 on February 03, 2018, 01:02:43 PM
Damn for the last 18hrs it actually seemed like Pud had a life and was out living it. Turns out he was just typing. Poor bastard

Were you and MD up all night waiting?  :

Quote from: Gd5150 on February 03, 2018, 12:31:07 PM
Fuck, I haven't anything of any worth to type, apart from the usual demokrats, lemming shit...Shit, back to my virtual trains and posting links to scams on my Twatter page.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 03, 2018, 12:26:36 PM
Sez you the Daily Beast and Bloomberg.  It would be easy enough to cite articles that counter each of the “facts” that you claim and you know it.  But that would be futile.  We’ll review the bidding on this point by point when solid findings become available and perps are walked.

Can I suggest you call Nunes and ask him to allow the Dem's fuller version of what he's published to be released? After all, you want both sides don't you? Well don't you? Did you actually read the links? What about this one? Not Caesar Trump enough?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42827167

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 03, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
Uh, you may have noticed that the title of this thread is “President Donald T. Trump” and not “I’m a Brain-dead Liberal who Thought Obama was a Swell President and Hilliary was Going to get Away with her Shit.”  Thus the dominance of real Americans Trump cultists on this board.🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷

FIFY

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 03, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
Uh, you may have noticed that the title of this thread is “President Donald T. Trump” and not “I’m a Brain-dead Liberal who Thought Obama was a Swell President and Hilliary was Going to get Away with her Shit.  Thus the dominance of real Americans on this board.🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷

That will explain this then... :

Quote from: albrecht on February 02, 2018, 07:12:38 PM
They try to do investigations but "dossiers" go missing and "facts," if they ever come out, tend to do so after the perps are dead. Sometimes people are found "suicided" or "misadventured."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28125537
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/13/mi6-spy-dead-bag-locked-himself-gareth-williams
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/16/david-kelly-death-10-years-on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 07:13:40 PM
Yeah, I know that it includes other offenses discovered in the course of the investigation but there would have been no surveillance or investigation in the first place if it were not for the criminal acts and omissions of FBI officials.

Do you actually rehearse what you type and apply anything such as logic? You think that offences should be ignored because the alleged offences look into someone who is connected with Trump? And of course in this case Trump denies any wrongdoings attributed to him and his efforts to obstruct Mueller by any means is not suspicious at all..No sirreee bubba...

If you mean across the board and to include all FISA warrants, you might as well disband them if they're sought and granted on the strength of (for example)  whistle blowers in a drug gang or terrorist cell. Is that what you'd like? Make things a lot harder to catch the bad guys?

The surveillance on Carter Page had nothing to do (initially) with Trump, it started in 2013 because he was cosy with a Russian spy boss. The last FISA warrant (according to Nunes) was granted after Page left the Trump campaign team. It seems too that Page may have had a heads up what Nunes and Ryan were going to do yesterday, when last October in an interview with Chris Hayes he blurted out that the full story will come out about FISA warrants when Ryan releases the information. Obviously back then the significance about what he meant wasn't known.

It's interesting is it not that the last paragraph of the great Nunes gimp memo says almost grudgingly.. “The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016,”.  So it wasn't the Steele dossier that prompted the attention of the FBI towards Trump, which is what everyone has been saying-well everyone of course who can read.

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The predicate for the FISA warrant was manufactured.  The FBI went to to the FISA court three times and was turned down.

No it wasn't.. That is simply not true. The FISA warrants last 90 days and to extend them the application has to be re-submitted with evidence to show it is justified before it's signed off (in this case by four different judges). The standard was set very high to get one granted back in 1978, and as a result of the standard set, the failure rate of the FISA application is vanishingly small. About 35 out of the 35000 or so applied for have not met the mark and thrown out. Naturally the Trumpers will say that the failure rate proves how easy it is to get one. But they get there shit from Trump's press secretaries Sean Hannity and Alex Jones.

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It wasn’t until the fourth application which included the Steele dossier that the FBI knew to be a fraud was a FISA warrant issued.  McCabe testified that without the Dossier there would have been no investigation. GS explained this to you earlier and the facts are not going to change with your continued denial of them. 
         

Nope, wrong again. McCabe has testified no such thing. Nunes has put that in, but it doesn't make it true. And surprise surprise, because Nunes is Trump's bitch he is refusing to allow the Dems to release the bigger version of what Nunes has cherry picked to please Trump and the Trumpers.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-02/what-the-gop-probe-memo-claims-and-how-that-squares-with-reality

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sources-devin-nunes-memo-is-100-wrong-about-andrew-mccabe-and-steele-dossier-for-carter-page-fisa-warrant


You don't need facts, neither does Trump, and Trump has very little relation with reality and facts. (insert any number of lies he tells)

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 02, 2018, 06:48:28 PM
All of the DoJ and FBI worked directly for Obama.

If the DoJ and FBI do not fully investigate this to find out if the DNC, Obama administration, or anyone else broke the kaw, then I will blame Trump. That is why this investigation is even happening. To keep him from doing his job. And Podesta needs to be investigated for being a foreign agent and Hillary and the Clinton Foundation need to be reinvestigated.

Oh BTW ...
https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/959547426993528837

Crazy eh?

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-jr-wikileaks-messages-donald-trump-2017-11

WikiLeaks appeared to develop a correspondence with at least one member of President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign during the election cycle, and in one instance, was praised by Trump, shortly after the group messaged his son, Donald Trump Jr., according to messages obtained by The Atlantic.

WikiLeaks, an organization dedicated to publishing leaked information, reportedly thanked Trump Jr. on October 12, 2016, after Trump talked about its publications at a campaign rally, two days before. Speaking to supporters at the rally on October 10, Trump held up some documents and said, "This just came out. WikiLeaks! I love WikiLeaks."


https://youtu.be/veRHG7xnb6k


Psssst. The western security services say that Wikileaks and therefore Assange are run from the Kremlin...Is Ted Snowden a traitor or not? 

Now, I really must go...See ya later ladies.

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 02, 2018, 06:43:15 PM
Indicted for process violations and offenses totally unrelated to Trump or the Trump campaign. Not for the alleged collusion with Russians which is the the sole basis for the surveillance and investigation.  If nothing about what is revealed in the memo and other established facts you are a fucking sociopath and are beyond help.

Nope.. 'fraid not!

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.
§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and
management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the
Russian govemmenfs efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as
follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 02, 2018, 06:38:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4814soaW2dU

Wrong title...

'Trump is shitting himself his days are numbered'

Anyway...Later gator... Don't stay up too late babs, you're shopping for a new mirror and razor tomorrow morning remember.. 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 02, 2018, 06:36:57 PM

You've gone full Trump!! Never go full Trump..







The realisation her soul was sold...

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 02, 2018, 06:31:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI2f_hWFSUM

You haven't watched that one either I take it?  :

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 02, 2018, 06:29:36 PM
Yep and the entire investigation is based on his (your) phony dossier. You must be so proud. :

Mine? Oh bless you!!! You really know how to flatter a guy.. Mwahh!

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 02, 2018, 06:26:24 PM
You have no clue what separation of powers means.

Congress makes the laws
Executive enforces the laws
Judicial interprets the laws.

Obama, as the chief executive, was responsible.

So Obama was a policeman? Help me out here. Obama in these threads was battered because he allegedly didn't follow the separation of powers.. Is there a different criteria for Trump and A N Other?

But say Obama was a policeman; What do you think the reaction might have been if Obama had arrested Flynn when he was on the Trump band wagon? But as he didn't, Obama told Trump he was a problem, so Trump took that responsibility, until ironically The WaPo ran the story of Flynn being a foreign agent, that surprise surprise, Pence had known nothing about!!