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Quote from: Juan on February 04, 2018, 11:16:07 AM
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good Bellgab story. You fled the Muslim hordes in and around Yorkshire and the rising fascists in the Brexit movement. You were taken in by a compassionate California socialist.

BTW, my iPad spellcheck recognizes Bellgab as a word correctly spelled.

Yeah, whatever.  :

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2018, 09:38:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVy5pdnSY-Y

Oh bless, you're so stupid as is the speech bubble writer.. Here's what Nunes (memo author) admitted to, albeit reluctantly.

....the memo inadvertently makes clear that the FBI was probing possible contacts between Trump associates and Russians before it started looking into Page. The document notes that the bureau started investigating Papadopoulos in July 2016, three months before it sought the first surveillance warrant on Page


In other words, the investigation would have gone ahead even without the Steele dossier. 

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2018, 10:24:33 PM
Ah yes. Buddy of Jim Jones, aprominent Democrat fund-raiser and "get out the vote" getter.

You're okay though with the NRA (quasi political party) pouring money into congress members who they know will do exactly as they're told by the NRA? Yeah?

Quote from: albrecht on February 04, 2018, 10:49:00 AM
As a certain frequent poster who fled there from Britain would tell you, there should be a comma after the "illegals" on the sign. Other than that the sign is accurate- though by omission there is some lying. They accept and welcome other criminal gangs also not just MS13.

No there shouldn't. It's plural. Incidentally, I didn't flee anywhere, I moved to CA to live with my wife who I was already married to before moving here. Sorry to disappoint you sweetcheeks. 

Quote from: ItsOver on February 03, 2018, 10:11:31 PM
You're living in a state that has the strictest firearm laws in the country.  Don't worry.  Gov. Moonbeam will protect you.

Do you mean it's even worse elsewhere? I guess so, Las Vegas proved that. 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2018, 08:55:14 PM
I think it's time to shut down all propagandists claiming to be news stations. They're just going to keep pushing their narrative and civil unrest.

Where would Hannity and Carlson work if they did that?   

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 04, 2018, 05:43:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKovQ8JzuQ

Poor Tucker, crap wig not enough and he get's all agitated when told what he already knows...

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 03, 2018, 09:19:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzQsfbgcxG8

When it doesn't end until Mueller decides it's ended, will you get pissy if you're reminded of this video's title?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 04, 2018, 07:12:50 AM
I think a whole lot more Democrats should end up looking like this guy soon.

Hmm, Republicans love assaulting old people who they see as a threat, it makes them feel brave. Naturally you'll be nowhere to be seen, leading from the back. Why do you want to live under a Trump fascist regime? 

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2018, 07:41:01 PM
Islam is not a threat. 
Russians and even oligarchs won't do business? Some own much of London (for now we are ignoring the fact that, technically, nobody "owns" except the Crown) and some of your soccer teams (things the Chinese and Arabs haven't gobbled up.) They will do business. Whether the profits goes to the common Russian worker or not? Likely not but most of the world we do business with. And why you would rather risk war rather than mutually beneficial trade is weird. Remove some of the sanctions and let's start drilling and mining and taking out Muslims!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/syrian-rebels-down-russian-military-plane-kill-pilot-1517681817
As I've said before I actually would rather a good relationship with Iran than the Arabs we've chosen to throw our support behind. At least they had a culture and history before the scourge of Islam. And even with it have been better, generally, towards non-Muslims than the Arab type of Muslims.

Sigh:  Islmaic terrorism is a threat..But then I've far more chance of being killed in the US by a gun nut with a grudge against shopping malls than I am a terrorist. Kids more so...12 school shootings so far this year.. Twelve. By kids.

Oh they own much of London, absofucking lutely...And that is where they'll spend some of their Russia's money and where western businesses will stay, in the west. If you DO happen to come across a Russian oligarch who is offloading his metal smelting plant or oil well for small change, let me know okay?

Trade with Russia or war? Are those the choices? Seriously?

Anyway, that's me done for the night...Be good kids.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
If they were illegal facebook would have been prevented from accepting the content and from cashing the check.

Apparently Zuckerberg has absolved himself and FB because it's the fault of .....algorithms. Seriously.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 07:26:32 PM
Seriously?  They are still broadcasting westeen propoganda.

https://www.rferl.org/

Nope.. But then I've never seen an episode of the Kardashians either. Am I bad?

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 07:24:18 PM
Where they illegal?

Ahhhh...I see. If they were, who do you think would be arrested? And secondly, if they'd resulted in Clinton being elected would you have taken the same attitude?

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 07:23:50 PM
“So you remember Radio Free Europe?” Is a non-sequiter or impossible to answer?  Wasn’t that a major expenditure to try and influence politics in the comd war days?

I've never heard of it.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 07:04:09 PM
I’m serious. When I had my SCI they told me everyone I talked to was a spy.

A Russian one? Even the American spies were Russian? What about Chinese spies, are they Russian too?

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 07:12:15 PM
no wonder I missed them. Putin spent $100,000?

On FB ads to influence the US POTUS election...Not to sell his navel fluff or puppies.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
But once again you deflect without answering any of the simple, straight forward questions.

But you deflect the original point by adding non sequiturs or questions you know are impossible to answer.. You take up the typical conspiracy theorist stance and deflect and add irrelevant questions because you can't accept readily verifiable data.

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2018, 07:03:34 PM
I'm on record here before of saying I would much rather have a good relationship with Russia rather than the war you and fellow Democrats seem to want.

Yes you have, and no I don't if it's on their terms only. When Putin stops having Journalists and political opponents murdered and imprisoned and stops bombing civilians in Syria under the myth of hunting terrorists, then maybe there might be a way in...Until then.. I don't think so.

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They have a dwindling population and lots of resources that our companies could exploit better, and more safely, than Russian ones.

I wouldn't say that too loudly around the oligarchs, you might wake up dead.. They have no reason whatsoever to share their wealth, not with the current population and certainly not with US firms..

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And provide stable and cheaper gas to Europe. And we have a common enemy in Islam

Erm, no we don't.

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and, at least until recently, potential enemy or threat, China- instead we drove them together (sorta.)

That's thanks to Trump's little sortie into world affairs, it doesn't suit him..

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Trust them? Hardly. Very corrupt. Decades of communism and the debacle of our "help" post Cold War that just went into oligarchs and mayifa hands (like Putin.) But we do business with corrupt regimes all the time and, n theory, opening up and making our companies abide by our laws might actually help become less corrupt? If not we make some money, they make some money, and that is better than wars (hot or cold or proxy.)

See above: Sharing.

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Snowden, I don't like because of where he fled but the information was valuable but, in a way, nothing those interested or into 'conspiracy theory' didn't know about. The folks that hacked, leaked the methods and software are bad . And names, like the Chinese situation under Obama that, though mentioned, briefly, didn't make "Big news" cycles even though worst intelligence failure, arguably, ever. I also think the post-911 changes under Bush are bad for national security. We shouldn't design/react our systems to some backward Muslims but for more robust folks like Russian, China, etc.

Next time you're in hospital and you see a medic who is also a brown person who might look he's from the Indian sub continent (or perhaps an Iranian) ask if he's backward... Then compare and contrast with say an average Chinese doctor or Russian one where it's routine to wash and re use needles.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 07:02:59 PM
Send me copies of said ads. I never saw one.

I wasn't on FB at the time, but FB admitted they'd been bought and paid for..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-socialmedia/u-s-lawmakers-release-sample-of-russian-bought-facebook-ads-idUSKBN1D15GU

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:58:31 PM
Maybe zuckerberg is a russian agent. Maybe Putin owns facebook stock. How exactly is Putin buying facebook ads illegal?  Did they charge him?  Did they make zuckerberg refund the money?  Do you remember radio free europe? Do you remember Obama donating money to keep BeBe out of office?  One of those was illegal. Can you find it?

Ads that were supportive of Trump...Why do you think that was?

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
More obfuscation and deflection. Who said anything about Mueller. I was discussing the “need to protect sources and methods” that the democrats were screaming about. Read before you respond.

Then how do you explain the tweet that Trump sent out at 3.30 this morning (before leaving for a round or so of golf)?

"This memo totally vindicates 'Trump' in probe. But the Russian Witch Hunt goes on and on. Their was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction (the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead). This is an American disgrace!"

The Dems were screaming about it (and prompted the director of the FBI and the DAG to plead with Kelly not to release it) because (yep, you guessed it) until it had been released, only Nunes and his mates (and Trump of course) had seen it, so no-one knew what was to be released. Nunes admitted he hadn't read the background info on which he based the memo on..It's been likened to doing a book review without reading the book.


And it isn't obfuscation, I was quoting directly Republicans, one who did the memo, the other responding to its contents..

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:41:44 PM
Everyone is a Russian spy. Steele included.

LOL...Yeah okay..  :

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:51:41 PM
We can safeguard yhe midterms and subsequent elections by requiring voter ID to probe citizenship.

Who the fuck gives a fuck about twitter bots and facebook newsfeeds. If you vote based on the number of retweets, maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Maybe twitter and facebook should be eliminated as coconspirators and be shut down for 30 days before every election.

You think Putin had over $100000 poured into pro Trump ads on Fartbook because of altruism? I'm not on twatter and only very recently on FB. But millions in the USA are on both..

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:47:00 PM
Yep. The sources they were trying to protect?  Yahoo News

The methods they were trying to protect? Generate bullshit through a consulting firm. Leak said bullshit to protected source. Have a writer that works for protected source while also working for aforementioned consulting firm write and publish article to be used for corroboration of original bullshit. Use corroborated bullshit to support FISA warrant. Release FISA memo 30 days before said author releases book on muh Russia. Micheal Issikoff is a triple dipper!!!

If only...

The memo then notes it was information about George Papadopoulos, another Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, that prompted the launch of the FBI counterintelligence investigation in July 2016 - months before the Page surveillance request was granted.


The memo doesn't mention Mueller.. And this is what Gowdy said about it..

As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation. â€" Trey Gowdy (@TGowdySC) February 2, 2018. Gowdy's tweets came roughly an hour after the House Intelligence Committee memo ...

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2018, 06:08:56 PM
There is a difference between the Country and the Government, as currently run. I know you fled here but even our citizens, often, don't understand that the initial intention was not to have such a large, bloated, top-down system of government but one balanced in powers both at the Federal level (which have limited powers) but also balanced between the Federal government, State, local, and individual. It was never intended that DC would control, regulate, or tax every aspect of one's life. And I still don't get the logic of you Democrats: Trump is a Russian agent, or under control of same, but still vote for questionable powers like NDAA? Trump "never wanted to be elected" etc but wanted Russian help to do so? The narratives are not logical. Do Russians (and others) try to interfere in elections or spy on us? Sure.

But there is absolutely no curiosity or alarm been shown by the GOP or Trump that they will likely make moves to attack the mid terms in a few months from now. Mike Pompeo the other day said they will, but didn't mention anything to try and do anything about it. Doesn't that worry you even a bit?

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We do also, in one of the more brazen attempts, besides Ukraine, was Obama's in Israel (which was, however, a somewhat funny change of pace considering.) Also, the obvious is never talked about: like us in some circumstances the goal of the Russians (and others) would likely be to not, necessary, want a certain person to "win" but rather to sow chaos and internal disruption.

It's favourable to Putin that Trump is POTUS because he's a far more useful idiot to Putin than he could possibly have wished for. He knows Trump doesn't give a shit about anything, has no interest in knowing anything that hasn't got his name in the title and never likley to. Bingo, Putin can do as he pleases and Trump won't order a finger to be lifted to counter it. The recent #release the memo? Twitter have said that they estimate that at least 2/3rds of the retweets were from Russian based bots.. Why might they do that if they didn't have a vested interest?


What do you think of Edward Snowden?

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:40:03 PM
Rex Tillerson made more trips to Moscow. Shit, I have a brother-in-law that spent 90% of the last 25 years there.

Speaking to Russian spies? 

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:24:07 PM
So what is your point? He has not been under investigation “since 2013”.

LOL.. you think the FBI just noticed is very frequent trips to Moscow, connections with Russian spy chiefs and waved it off as only a shiny thing to be ignored?

Quote from: albrecht on February 03, 2018, 06:17:24 PM
It is odd with all these Russian meddling and agents that Obama let it all go on? And also why, according to the Democratic narrative, Trump "didn't want to be President" and "didn't expect to win" and, yet, supposedly wanted Russian help to do so?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Trump needs Russian finance for his personal use. No American bank will lend him anything because he has such a poor standing when it comes to his business practices. However, Russian banks are subject to sanctions, as too the oligarchs who run them on behalf of Putin (Putin is reputed to be the richest man in the world yet Russia has a GDP smaller than Italy's)..

Flynn if you remember had a little cosey up with the Russians when Obama was still POTUS to tell them not to worry about sanctions (If you also remember, Putin threw a Christmas party for the American embassy in Moscow, just after the sanctions were bolstered and the Russian spooks in DC were thrown out) as they'd be lifted when Trump was installed (This is why Flynn is in a bit of bother, because he forgot to mention this to the FBI)

... Trump had also got criticism of Russia and Putin removed the year before from the RNC plank (to do with Ukraine and stuff-the reason the sanctions had been put in place)..

Anyway, Trump needed Congress to remove the sanctions otherwise he wouldn't have access to the money and ability to launder any more through his properties. How many magnificent properties do you know got sold tens of MILLIONS over asking in the 2007-08 recession to Russian billionaires?

Trump may not like the job, sure he's sure making the most of AF1 to go golfing on a whim, but the actual daily job, maybe not so much. If only he could get sanctions lifted on Russia he'd be a much happier bunny I'm sure.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:18:09 PM
I believe there is a soul. I also believe there is a God.

My mother believed in god, I didn't love her any less. Same goes for you Sally.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 03, 2018, 06:14:50 PM
Not really. I believe the story is that the FBI warned him in 2013 that he was a possible target for recruitment. That is a bit different than you trying to imply they have been investigating him for the last 5 years.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/02/02/the-fbi-knew-carter-page-man-center-memo-controversy-from-previous-case/RLPYbG9shgtRTrkkSbyBRJ/story.html

Page’s contacts with Russians in 2013 were also part of the application for the surveillance order, which asserted there was probable cause to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power, according to a Washington Post report last year. But that is not mentioned in the House GOP memo.

Here’s why Page (who has not been charged with any crime) was already on the FBI’s radar:

Page met with a Russian intelligence operative in 2013 and provided him documents about the energy industry, according to filings in a 2015 espionage case in New York. The case included secret discussions between Russian spies that sounded like they were from an airport novel.

The Russian operative, Victor Podobnyy, was one of three men charged in connection with a Cold War-style Russian spy ring. According to the court filings, Podobnyy tried to recruit Page, an energy consultant working in New York at the time, as an intelligence source. Page is referred to in the document as ‘‘Male-1.’’

“I will feed him empty promises,” Podobnyy told one of his co-defendants, according to the filing.

Page’s contacts with Podobnyy happened about three years before Trump listed him as a foreign policy adviser to the campaign.

The court filings included an FBI agent’s criminal complaint that, at one point, cited a transcript of Podobnyy speaking with co-defendant Igor Sporyshev about Page.

‘‘I like that he takes on everything,’’ Podobnyy says. ‘‘For now his enthusiasm works for me. I also promised him a lot.’’

Podobnyy also said in the transcript, “I will feed him empty promises. ... This is intelligence method to cheat, how else to work with foreigners? You promise a favor for a favor. You get the documents from him and tell him to go [expletive] himself.”

The FBI agent who penned the complaint explained that in the conversation the two Russians were discussing Podobnyy’s “attempted use” of Page, who was interested in business opportunities in Russia, as an intelligence source for Russia.

The agent wrote that Podobnyy “explained his recruitment method, which includes cheating, promising favors, and then discarding the intelligence source once the relevant information is obtained.”

The agent said he and another agent had interviewed Page in June 2013 and Page told them he exchanged emails with Podobnyy and sometimes met in person. Page told the agents that he provided Podobnyy with his outlook on the “current and future of the energy industry” and “provided documents ... about the energy business.”