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Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 19, 2014, 06:33:12 AM

Bible bashing bigots??

What the...(hahaha)?

By all mesns, please continue!

You're far too modest: Which future are you fighting? You taking it from Revelations?

Quote from: Seraphim27 on February 19, 2014, 06:24:30 AM
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/end epic rant

Area 51; As one guy to another, quit while you're behind. Trust me on this.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 19, 2014, 06:17:24 AM
I never fail to be amused by atheist liberals who try to weave the Son of God into their political arguments. Good old-fashioned comedy!

As opposed to right wing bible bashing bigots using Jesus for their political arguments? 

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 19, 2014, 05:48:11 AM

A third option is delusional AND uninformed.

But there must be some reason people come from all over the world to have medical procedures done here (famously including a Canadian Prime Minister).

People also go to Switzerland, Poland, Russia, Britain, France, India, Australia from all over the world..Your point being?

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Nearly all new medical equipment and pharmaceuticals are invented here, and new procedures developed here.  Most of the medical research done worldwide is done here.  The best doctors and the best hospitals in the world are located here.

We don't have rationing, people aren't dying while waiting months on end for procedures, and the newest and most costly pharmaceuticals are available.  People aren't denied certain procedures if they are over a certain age.  Our hospitals are clean and sanitary - ever been to one in Europe?

Oh you're funny. Which procedures are denied to people over a certain age elsewhere based on anything other than medical reasons? As I've said often enough, both my parents have had major operations and ongoing procedures (Both in their 70's) including triple by-pass, treatment for angina, cataracts, pancreatitis, duodenal ulcer...As for me, bilateral hernia, arthroscopy for a detached cartilage in my knee, A&E admissions over the years. None of that is rationed.. All the above includes any physio, theatre time, drugs, X rays etc...

Tell me, how much of the above can an American access if they don't have huge cover in health insurance? And how much would be not covered if it's ongoing?

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All that is better then these socialist 'free' healthcare programs in places like Canada and western Europe. 

See above.

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Health *insurance* needed to be reformed in the US - no doubt about it.  Reform should have focused on the 15% who didn't have it, not this vast failed monstrosity called ObamaCare.  Because of ObamaCare, there are less people insured now than there were before.  And insurance costs most people considerably more due to the ObamaCare rules, and if it doesn't yet, it will.

'Insurance' as you advocate won't be given to the 15% who don't have it, nor the rest who are inadequatly covered, you know it, and neither would you want it because it means YOUR premium will go up to cover what they can't afford. And/or the insurance companies will cut back on what they will cover and to what extent. Then YOU will really complain!!

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 19, 2014, 05:10:27 AM

Yes, there are entire books in the New Testament where Jesus advocated an ever larger, ever more bloated, ever more unaccountable government in Rome - from which an endless stream of intrusions into people's lives would flow.   He was always lying about his positions in order to gain power, only for his real agenda to be revealed after he was entrenched and in position to buy future votes with tax dollars.

Considering his stand on some of the other issues, many found it odd he spoke out for punishing anyone who had  job or a business with endless taxation, sent his followers into government to crank out nuisance laws for even the tiniest behavior he thought people should be forced to follow, and was constantly judge shopping and appealing to sympathetic judges to get any verdict he wanted if and when he couldn't get politicians, bureaucrats, or the voters to side with him.

It's true, Jesus never gave anyone a hand-up or a handout in his life - it was his mission to have the Romans force everyone else to do so then take credit for being 'compassionate'.  But not too much - he wanted keep the poor to be dependent on handouts he took credit for, ensuring they would always vote for him.

Dang if it didn't all work.

Quote from: Birdie on February 19, 2014, 04:53:29 AM

Funny, you don't ever hear the right talking about these aspects of the ACA. Too busy hating  everything associated with Obama, I guess.

Stop bringing facts up against Rutger's swivel eyed uninformed rantings; He can't cope with it, and his programming will crash.

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Quote from: Ruteger on February 18, 2014, 08:32:57 PM
Have you visited your dentist or other doctor lately? Have you asked them about ObamaCare, and what they think about it? And how it will affect them? My job requires me to move around, and I can tell you that of the last 4 doctors I have seen over 3 different states, they are 100% in agreement this will destroy the best healthcare system in the world. Some have even stated they would rather retire early than to submit to ObamaCare.

Liberal filth - the next time you visit your doctor, ask them what they think of ObamaCare and report back.

It isn't the best health care system in the world; How can it be? You've been allowed out of the fucking secure unit, and into THREE states? Jeeeze, someones head will roll for that.

Conservative filth.

Quote from: Mgs1986 on February 19, 2014, 01:49:56 AM
The entire Guncontrol debate is the product of limp wristed, panzies...Same as that bright shining healthcare...crock of shit, all these people in charge are not really americans, america has become a business it's that simple, its whatever sells...this sickens me deeply, So you have these vanilla ass cookie cutter basket cases, who wanna demonize guns, how about people are inherently violent, this has always been the point, and unless they have a moral balance beam, they are gonna do some seriously messed up things, just read up on some twisted cases from before "gun crimes" were over dramatized, for instance, Adam Lanza had no fucking AR-15, in fact he had handguns. Point is these are back lashes from someone or individuals signaled out by others to be punching bags both figuratively and litterally. What happens when you beat an animal, or a dog perhaps? eventually they turn ugly, and not of their own choosing. When you unlock true hatred and ruthlessness in someone, the outcome can be "disturbing" for lack of a better word. My father was killed by his own brother, who was marine paratrooper during the gulf war, he was also mentally unstable, in One day my uncle steven, murdered my father, and my uncle Brian. One brother murdered the other two with a 30-06 high powered rifle. That was in 1994, I was not even ten years old, today I am 27 and I can honestly say, I've never been anti-gun in my life, in fact that made me realize, It doesn't matter what the method is, if someone is gonna snap and kill, they will snap and kill. Maybe society should look more deeply into what creates these cases, instead of going after weapons to defend our country, ourselves, our land and most of all our rights.

Oh please! You've been listening to too much Alex Jones. In 2014, if you seriously think you need guns to defend your country from the government (or a foreign power with nuclear weapons), you're catastrophically deluded. If you need them to defend yourself from the other 320 million or so then you frankly haven't anything worth defending, you're living in a basket case of a country that has hardly evolved from the stone age. You'd let anyone, irrespective of their ability, mental state and aptitude have a gun? Oh wait, you already do.

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Any american who would give up their rights, or use the question of why does anyone need to own an assault weapon, or high capacity mags,Is to put it bluntly "not being an american",

And you're not being intelligent. Being 'American' involves having an assault weapon? What about an education? What about being healthy? If being American means carrying a weapon above all else, you're fucked.

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anything besides an RPG or serious military hardware, like explosives and such should be regulated, though citizens should be on par with military per the constitutional definition

Why should they be? You're defending your country aren't you? The enemy will have RPG's and Tanks and surface to surface cruise missiles, why shouldn't you?

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...GUNS should continue to be unmolested, I feel for those states and places where sovereign american citizens are being raped of their rights by this global scheme of a massive disarming. I shall live and die by this "You cannot and shall not convince me of a free and peaceful society where not all occupants are free, and defintely not peaceful, where we are slaves to lenders and being converted to "Controlled" when we should be the "Controlling" not the government, we the people are the government. I know this rant is all over place

Well you got that bit right.

There is no 'global scheme of disarming'..they just didn't have unbridled insecurity and paranoia in the first place, or regulation has been demanded by the very people who you say don't control. Such as in the UK, and France, most of Europe, Australia.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 18, 2014, 07:12:00 PM

Sometimes it's called 're-writing history'.

Socialism is the government owning the means of production.  Fascism is the government allowing private ownership of the means of production - but regulating it heavily and dictating what they do. 

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Workers' control is a term meaning participation in the management of factories and other commercial enterprises by the people who work there. It has been variously advocated by anarchists, socialists, Communists, Social Democrats and Christian Democrats, and has been combined with various socialist and mixed economy systems.
Workers' councils are a form of workers' control. Council communism, such as in the early Soviet Union advocates workers' control through workers councils and factory committees. Syndicalism advocates workers' control through trade unions. Guild socialism advocates workers' control through a revival of the guild system. Participatory economics represents a recent variation on the idea of workers' control.
Workers' control can be contrasted to control of the economy via the state, such as nationalisation and central planning (see state socialism) and control of means of production by owners as found in capitalism.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 18, 2014, 07:12:00 PM

The Left leaning journalists, writers, academia, Hollywood and other opinion leaders of the day insisted the Nazi's were somehow 'right-wing' after Hitler broke with the their Soviet friends and as word of the horrors of the concentration camps came in.  It was a chance to distance themselves from it and smear their opponents here in the US at the same time.  The 'Progressive' Media is still perpetuating the lie.

Predictable; Anything you disagree with is written by 'left leaning' academics; what do the Jews think? The academic ones? Current neo Nazis would rip your head off if you said they were left wing, or are they really commies?

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These Leftists were the same people that supported at least the early days of the Soviet Union, Mao's China, and Pol Pot.  Many supported them right up until the end.  Some are still visiting and championing Castro to this day, and Hugo Chavez until his recent death.  It wasn't that long ago they were supporting the Sandinista's, The FMLN, the Shining Path, Tupac Amaru, and FARC, among other Marist and Maoist groups in our hemisphere.

Would that be the same FARC that was formed and financed by the US government? Hmmm, I think it is. And when the CIA turned off the tap (to overthrow a democratically elected government), they went into kidnapping.

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The reason it matters about the Nazi's and others is so we can recognize it when we see it the next time it comes along. 

Oh, you're right; They can be found anytime some religious thumping god fearin bigot starts saying their god is bigger than someone else's god. Or telling women who have a sex life they're sinners, or that homosexuals are sinners, or atheists are sinners...

Quote from: Lunger on February 18, 2014, 02:12:03 PM
Point to the things he did that prove he was right-wing.

Was it nationalization education?
Was it nationalizing health care?
Was it nationalizing transportation?
Was it nationalizing major industries?

Hitler openly stated that the Nazi party was socialist and don't forget that Hitler hated the Communists not because of their ideology, but because they were rivals.

Please tell me the difference between Hitler and;
Stalin
Lenin
Mao
Pol Pot
Kim Jong Il

All of them were socialist/communists bastards who needed to kill in order to build the State.

Do you seriously think Neo-Nazis think on a statist level?  Nice try, but like the rest of the gang, Hitler was one of yours.

Hitler was one of mine? Hmmmm. Is the suggestion I am a Nazi? Stalin wasn't a Communist, nor Pol Pot, nor Kim Jong Il Or Un, nor Mao. If they were, their countries populations and themselves would be equal, but they weren't.

The UK has a national education system, and health, as does France and Germany, as does Japan. Are you suggesting they're all Communist? Hitler said he was socialist; Oh that's that settled then! He told the Jews that they were going on their holidays too, he lied about that one.

It would be an easy thing to get offended Karl at it being implied I'm a Nazi, but only if a) you knew what you were talking about, and b) you knew what you were talking about. Technically that's one point, but it's so fundamental it's worth mentioning twice.

You still haven't explained how the rest of the world disagrees with you...Especially Germany. In your own time.

Quote from: Seraphim27 on February 18, 2014, 12:49:01 PM
Even in today's economy everyone should be able to find an extra $5/ month, 17 cents a day for this level of information.

I wonder how she'd quantify it if it was worthwhile information?

Quote from: Grov505th on February 18, 2014, 12:35:30 PM
But..but...he talked to a lawyer and stuff.......

Yeah, but he was the defendant that time.

I just clicked the link to Falkie's forum...It looks a bit more amateur than it did before..yes really. But this intrigued me: These are da rules baby!

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The man has spoken, but there's more:

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Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 18, 2014, 12:05:08 PM

Bloomberg funded the study. That's akin to the KKK funding a study on the inferiority of non-caucasian people. Any guesses how that might come out?

It's rubbish.

And the NRA is an unbiased public body? Oh hang on....But hey, you think guys who deliberately get bitten by snakes are to be admired.. because it's 'strong'..

Quote from: c337pilot on February 18, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
Jaz if MV does not get the podcast ready for download, then MVshould be banned.

When was he un-banned?

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During the trial in Georgetown, Delaware, Deputy Attorney General Melanie Withers said Morse would hold the girl's face under the tap, usually at the kitchen sink, and run water in her nose and mouth, causing her to choke, vomit, and fear for her life.

The girl told police he had held her face under a tap at least four times since 2009, in addition to dragging her across a gravel drive by the ankle and ruling all aspects of her life, down to when she could use the toilet and what she should eat.

Morse's defence lawyer, Joe Hurley, said the girl did not enjoy having her hair washed, so the family jokingly referred to the ordeal as waterboarding.

And his lawyer argued the girl had "oppositional issues" and had lied about abuse by a half-sibling in the past.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26182790

Quote from: area51drone on February 18, 2014, 06:29:26 AM
Yeah, that would be a relationship ender for me.  The worst part is if you sell off all your dolls and then expect to use a guy's money once you are together to buy more for your collection.   If my wife did that I would be filing papers on short order.  There are plenty of worthwhile things to collect instead - like kids or animals.   A doll just sits on the shelf collecting dust.

Oh I bet you're fun to live with.

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My hobby is expensive - pinball machines that cost anywhere from $20-$5500 (the most I ever spent on one), but they bring in a good income stream for me and my family, and they've grown in value probably triple what my initial investment has been.

You haven't bought them because they bring in income for you and your family; You couldn't care less if they did or didn't. You've bought them because you like collecting pin ball machines. If you're going to try and justify your selfish misogyny at least be honest about it.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 18, 2014, 10:30:21 AM
Without even digging into all the data and particulars... I'm calling bullchit.

I'm just not buying it.

That's a given... La la la la la la la la...

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"Coincident exactly with the policy change, there was an immediate upward trajectory to the homicide rates in Missouri," said Prof Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research.

"That upward trajectory did not happen with homicides that did not involve guns; it did not occur to any neighbouring state; the national trend was doing the opposite â€" it was trending downward; and it was not specific to one or two localities â€" it was, for the most part, state-wide," he told BBC News.

The team said it took account of changes that occurred in policing levels and incarceration rates, trends in burglaries, and statistically controlled for other possible confounding factors such as shifts in unemployment and poverty.


What was stark, added Prof Webster, was the rise in the number of handguns that subsequently found their way into the hands of criminals.

The team counted a doubling of handguns shortly after sale being recovered from scenes of crimes or from criminals.

"This study is compelling confirmation that weaknesses in firearm laws lead to deaths from gun violence," said Prof Webster.

The Johns Hopkins researcher was participating in a discussion here at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).

My Bold: Really? Quelle surpise!

Quote from: area51drone on February 17, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
Looks like a great idea.  I hope it can become reality.  I'm not sure how they expect to get signals back into space, but I look forward to when wifi is globally available at no charge.   Very Star Trek-ish.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2552177/Forget-Internet-soon-OUTERNET-Company-plans-beam-free-wi-fi-person-Earth-space.html

Hmmmm, Daily Mail... I wouldn't take anything published in that as being true. If they said the sky was blue I'd check it myself.

Shame Qunt Karl isn't here to see this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578

Quote from: CampsieNP on February 17, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
Unscreened Caller: That. Was. Fantastic!!! Thank you for posting. Outstanding!

I taught Mike Chapman everything he knows...


Perhaps.

Quote from: Lunger on February 18, 2014, 06:37:56 AM
Hitler was as left wing as they get.  What part of National Socialist do you not understand.

I wondered when you'd bring that up.. Yet you and a few on here are pretty much the only ones on the planet who think he was a socialist. I wonder why that might be? National Socialist is the moniker he gave to sell to the people of Germany. How many Germans do you know who think he was a socialist? In round figures? And tell me, if he was such a socialist, how come these days the only supporters of his policies are in fact right wing bigoted neo nazis? Or are they socialists too?

Quote from: George Drooly on February 18, 2014, 04:02:56 AM
I'm talking about percentages here. I'm saying a higher percentage of those who wreck in planes will die than those who wreck in cars. I understand that flying is statistically safer than driving, but when flying accidents do occur, the fatality rate is astronomically higher than driving accidents.

These are US airline statistics.

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Odds of being killed on a single airline flight   1 in 29.4 million
Number of fatalities per million flight hours   12.25
Survival rate of passengers on a fatal crash   24 %

http://www.statisticbrain.com/airplane-crash-statistics/

For cars

It's  abit apples and oranges though. Flight hours and miles driven can't be easily correlated.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/car-crash-fatality-statistics-2/

Quote from: George Drooly on February 18, 2014, 03:27:19 AM
I hear this all the time - or variations, like you're more likely to die in a car accident, etc. However, no one EVER puts it this way, which is a stone cold fact: IF YOU DO wreck on a flight, you are far, far more likely to DIE than simply be injured. I've been in half a dozen auto crashes - including one where the car was totaled - and have never had so much as a scratch. You crash on a plane, chances are you're toast.

Then you're lucky. I know of a guy whose brother was driving and they were shunted from behind. He turned to his brother and words to the effect of 'Wow, that was lucky'...His brother had died instantly with a broken neck. There are literally millions of flights carrying hundreds of passengers and crew each year, which is why when one does go wrong it makes the headlines. How many of your collisions made the news? There's a misguided belief by some who think flying is inherently more dangerous than driving and that crashing is an everyday occurrence; Well, pilots don't want to die any more than passengers.

Quote from: George Drooly on February 18, 2014, 03:09:30 AM

However, I hear Orphan Black is good?

Was shown in the UK a few months ago; promised much....

However, don't blame me if when you get to the end you feel differently...

Only saying.

Quote from: bateman on February 17, 2014, 05:14:07 PM

Moving to 2 hour timeslot on Sun. nights, likely starting this weekend. 

Is that to make up for the missing one last week? Staff; You can't get them.

Quote from: b_dubb on February 17, 2014, 10:16:36 PM
No way am I getting on a plane with moving engines. Planes fail as they are. Add more moving parts and the likelihood increases.

They don't fail very often. In fact you're more likely to be struck by lightening, twice, than be involved in an incident with a commercial jet. They're phenomenally well designed considering the task they're expected to achieve and the time span they're expected to last.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 17, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
G-Wash was an absolute stud. Hell, as far I'm concerned, he should have a week in his honor!

Without him, I would probably be seaking with a limey accent. God forbid.

Exactly which Limey accent would that be?

Quote from: jazmunda on February 18, 2014, 01:52:54 AM
There are 3 other people that make the show too. Without their efforts we wouldn't have the show. Most of the adulation should go to eddie dean who is the icky glue that brings it all together and leaves a stain on our souls. I'm not so narcissistic to think of this hour of chatting with some semi like minded individuals as my show. Isn't anyone who can string more than two words together the Anti-Noory?

When do you mange to rehearse it Jaz? Have you thought of broadcasting live? Have you thought of an intermission to bring around ice cream and hotdogs?

Quote from: bateman on February 17, 2014, 07:00:14 PM

35 years. Seems like a very light sentence considering what he did. Court

What has happened I believe is that it has been sentenced to life in prison*. The 35 years will be a minimum tariff, that it will serve before it can even think about applying for any parole. It doesn't mean it'll serve 35 years and then be released, and I very much doubt it will in the circumstances. I didn't read the details of the trial, because basically the media wouldn't have released the details as they're too harrowing. What I found bewildering is the 'mothers' role in this. It's unlikely it will be in in anything other than isolation; Huntley who murdered two schoolgirls in Soam, Cambridgeshire is on borrowed time, and the press periodically has stories from a released inmate  willing to to say what has happened (One favourite apparently is 'napalm': A concoction of boiling water and sugar, that is thrown in the face of the chosen shit, the water doesn't evaporate).

* today, appeal judges are deciding if the courts can hand down 'whole life' tariffs in sentencing rather than the current 'life but doesn't actually mean till they die'. We currently have a few dozen prisoners who will never be released (Ian Brady being one) because it's considered by the Home office they're too dangerous.

The Watkins thing I think has an ongoing independent investigation as to why the complaints against it were disregarded; I would be surprised if arrests and charges of those individuals didn't ensue: What am I saying? What is likely to happen is 'lessons will have been learned', and the police officers will retire on full pension, or get promoted, and the heads of the children's protection services will evaporate into other well paid jobs.