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Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 22, 2014, 01:08:19 PM

What, precisely, does that have to do with anything I said?? God, man! Stop being so damn obtuse for once!

And they won`t be "Spanish"!

My mistake..Spanish speaking...

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I`m glad your family got out alive, but I would have taken my pet rat into that joint.

Silly man, it's a vet you need..Vets deal with animals.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 22, 2014, 11:53:51 AM

That`s just absolutely NOT true at all. Putin is thumbing his rotten, communist nose at the world -- especially Obama and the USA.

You know, it`s pretty damn disgraceful, and says a whole lot about the flaccid nature of this administration`s approach to foreign policy, when the Ukraine Defense Ministry won`t even answer the damn phone when we call! Putin has played Obama like a fiddle, which has opened the door for the old KGB hack`s expansionist ambitions. Only the extreme bravery and resilience of the Ukrainian people can stop the slaughter now. Besides, Caesar Obamus can`t be trifled with such matters; he has to consider where his next vacation will be, along with how to integrate his annual March Madness bracket picks into his busy golf schedule.

Hmmm, as I thought, you really don't have a clue.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 22, 2014, 12:32:10 PM
Yeah, sorry, but it was Canada`s HC system that killed that man! ANY first year resident should have immediately recognized Mr. G`s symptoms and acted accordingly.

Yeah? Which ones? A first year junior house officer might not see a case of blood poisoning in their first twelve months practice. But people do die all over the world in A&E..

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Instead, he was placed on IV Hydromorphone for pain until he could be admitted and made to linger while the infection invaded his vital organs.

That hospital would be sued out of existence in the states. And we`re not talking about an under-funded, under-staffed, inner-city ER dumping ground, either. This was one of the most -- supposedly -- reputable outfits in Ontario!

It`s just very, very upsetting.

Yeah, suing them out of existence would be helpful...your friend would get paid (or rather the lawyers) and the local population near the hospital would go without a hospital...But hey, never mind. Presumably everyone who goes in said hospital dies? Oh hang on...

Quote from: Mgs1986 on February 22, 2014, 12:35:14 PM
Well I see Putin, and Hitler, Obama, that dick head currently in the Ukraine, and the former bus driver turned president in vensula are all pea's from the same pod, however among them all I would give Putin the edge, if you go back even at the end of world war 2, all the other world leaders on the allied side were withered and old, meanwhile you had Stalin younger by comparison and tougher looking, however like Putin, iron fisted mad man. However that aside, according to what I understand, Puting was an ex-KGB captain/operator, but given his latest endeavor when he was free diving apparently he planted antique pottery like from an age of recent antiquity at the bottom of where ever the hell he was free diving, and emerged with it boastful. Having said that, I have a feeling even though he beats his chest, he still cares about his country with some warped twisted version of love and national identity. Honestly Putin looks at every other leader in the world as a pussy, seriously look how he addresses most of them, to be honest we haven't had a president since teddy, that could have gone toe to toe with Putin, maybe Washington, Putin knows that he is more physically commanding than any or most leaders on the world stage, and he uses it to his advantage.

That Putin does all that with an endemically corrupt government that is run by the Russian mafia where average citizens are routinely imprisoned if they publish anything detrimental to Putin hasn't escaped you then?

Quote from: Mgs1986 on February 22, 2014, 12:07:34 PM
Listen, point is this, without them we couldn't defend ourselves, and let me see, do you see the fighting in the middle east, gee those people didn't have much but assault weapons "full autos none the less" and some rpgs and other things here and their, we've been at war with them since 2003...hmmm. Point is again...gun control and taking away our constitutional rights to be on PAR with the military should never be molested, and the backround check thing is understandable. Point is, it is heritage in this country, I wouldn't expect a new ager or some european fool who has lived as "Subject" we're not "subjects" we're the people, and we have more power than our government. Just seems like most american's don't give a damn anymore or just fear a power hungry socialist government.

Go on then, exactly who are you going to defend yourself against if and when the time comes?  What's it like being in a permanent state of paranoia, the sort that Alex Jones generates? You talk about heritage? That's funny...if it wasn't for Europe and the UK in particular you'd still be having the horse drawn cart as your means of transport, with most of the population dying from incurable diseases. But I forgot, it's all aggression and pushing your chest out isn't it? 

Quote from: Mgs1986 on February 22, 2014, 12:25:20 PM
And another thing, you're one sorry smug son of a bitch Pud, I don't give a damn if people kiss your ass out of some distorted relevance for you pseudo intelligence. To me you sound like part of the problem, and being healthy and educated is a common sense thing, meanwhile...you're "stone age" comment is pretty dumb considering we whipped the shit out of you're ancestors and kicked them hell out of our country, Sad part is that they could have defeated us, but their hubris and pride and superiority complex,which sadly most of your kind are endowed with by default for some reason, cost them...so in my eyes, which doesn't mean much, you can pose no valid points to me. All due respect given...and both my middle fingers pointed at you.

...Therein lies the problem...you're still living in the 18th century. When men ruled the roost, when blacks still had no rights, when things were pretty primitive compared with today...But hey, you want to live like it's Little house on the Prairie, bless you.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 22, 2014, 10:16:23 AM

You're right, with a big enough mob it doesn't always take a huge all powerful government to murder wagonloads of people.  At least not 100 years ago.  Makes it easier though.


Interesting you bring up the French and Russian Revolutions.  Check out the opposition in Kiev capturing the city center and most key government buildings today! 

Ultimately successful or otherwise, this is how revolutions actually occur.  One of the main arguments for private gun ownership - perhaps the main argument - is they are the ultimate check on our government.  And there are always plenty of people around to scoff and claim ordinary citizens with small arms would be futile against military weaponry, and thus insist this is not a valid argument

Yeah, just imagine the glee you'd have watching the bloodbath that unfolded with all those firearms being fired at each other... You'd never sleep with the wet dreams.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 22, 2014, 12:12:00 PM
Poor, non-English speaking Latinos, which constitute the majority of people illegally entering our Southern border, have a much more difficult time seeking medical attention because..well..they don`t speak the language! That also puts a greater strain on the HC system as a whole (see California).

Get used to it, by 2050 over 50% of the US will be Spanish. Come full circle really....

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With regard to my friend`s dad, he would be alive and laughing about this whole incident had they listened to me, and got on a plane -- as I pleaded with them to do (at my expense) -- and flown here to have this thing treated promptly by a competent physician and hospital.

Wow, that was news to me, I didn't realise that no-one died in US hospitals.. Incredible. Even mote incredible that the US has the worlds pool of competent medics...

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And don`t even think for a moment that this kind of thing doesn`t go on in jolly ol` England, my friend. I`ve spent time in Liverpool hospital and let me tell you, it`s one of the most depressing spectacles I`ve ever witnessed!

Oh, I'm with you on that, hospitals depress me too, but hey if you'd bothered to read what I've put before, both my parents, my ex wife, my son, myself, and several friends have been thankful for the care they received free at the point of need...No insurance companies saying they wouldn't pay out, no £30000 bill after treatment .... You like paying out like that, go ahead..

Quote from: HorrorRetro on February 22, 2014, 11:40:29 AM
I like that idea a lot. Callers are always the least interesting and frequently annoying parts of most shows. I've always preferred the Dreamland format versus the C2C format. A few emailed audience questions is a good compromise.

One way of doing it might be Steve securing a reliable 'buddy' who accesses the e mails. Filters the good ones (so the listeners will be informed at show start that they should get their questions in within the first 30 minutes or so) and bullet points the questions..1-8..concise.

This list is e mailed to Steve and he reads them out, each question is then addressed by the guest at length (some might be a simple yes/no answer), before moving on..clearly too many yes/no questions means the initial eight may be used, but lengthy answer might make them as few as four. It can be flexible like that as the show progresses.

2c supplied.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 22, 2014, 11:27:38 AM

The vaunted Canadian HC system just killed my dear friend`s father. yes, they killed a strong, vibrant, 74 year old, Italian man, full of life.

Thanks to Canadian single payer, that wonderful man was made to sit in an ER for THREE FREAKING DAYS ("sorry; no rooms available" and, hey; he`s just an old guy -- low priority) while exhibiting textbook symptoms of sepsis. By the time those clowns admitted him and began treatment with antibiotics, his organs had already begun to shut down and it was too late.

If it`s that bad up there, Just think how horrible it would be in this  country with 350 million people. Add to the mix open borders being overrun with sick second and third world non-english speaking immigrants, and a shrinking pool of physicians along with 18 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT.

If people don't speak English does that preclude them from health care? Explain the conditions effecting people taken on by insurance companies when they have pre-existing conditions known or not?

As for your friends father, yep, it's unfortunate, but look at it like this: It's bullshit. No-one in Canada would be sitting in A&E for three days without being looked at by a doctor. So I suspect he had sepsis before admitting and the medics tried to save him but couldn't.

About these 'second and third' world countries...Infant mortality rates per 1000 live births... USA 5.2. (a well known island off the coast of Florida) clue...Castro:  4.76. European Union as a whole: 4.49. France 3.34. Canada 4.78.. UK 4.5...

What has happened is playing out in Ukraine has nothing to do with the USA, least of all Obama (or whoever had been president). It's about the opposition leader being jailed, it's about the (seemingly absent now) current President wanting to have much closer ties with Russia, and a great deal of the people wanting closer ties with the EU. The irony (and it hasn't gone unnoticed in the UK) is that a great many in the UK want fewer and even no ties with the EU! Not that we want stronger ones with Russia.

The people have called the shots (no punn intended), they're unarmed too, the bloodbath that would have ensued if they were would have been like Syria is now. They started off in quiet demonstrations, they started off by using placards and slogans. No-one knows where it will go as it's in a very delicate state whilst it is effectively without any rudder. I can only hope that Russia don't take it on themselves to bring the tanks in to crush the demonstrators and reimpose the President.

I know you're getting a few requests to have callers Steve, but I have a lot of misgivings on going that route. Instead, why not (in real time of course) have people e mail you* and present maybe five questions to your guest. That way you don't have some incoherent mumbler who spends two minutes working out which planet he's on before getting to the point. 

* Of course the problem is finding the top five then reading out (and forming a  precis) at the same time as avoiding dead air, AND keeping on track..

Going to two hours I think is a great move, doing what you're doing now. It's tight, concise, interesting and you have the listening/speaking balance bang on. Letting the guest take the stage, as it should be. It isn't broken, don't fix it! 

Quote from: onan on February 21, 2014, 04:46:05 PM
nicely said man.

Hope all turns out well.

+1 

I think we're all guilty of taking things for granted, and not realising what we have until it's taken away.

Quote from: Grov505th on February 21, 2014, 03:22:17 PM
Ok..So I am watching the Trailer for Guardians of the Galaxy and see one for Prometheus 2.  I click on it and it turns out to be an 8 minute video of Alex Jones talking about how the orginal Prometheus is really all about the NWO and other BS....
Here take a look for your self:

As a matter of interest:

Quote from: SCH-120070C4 on November 22, 2013, 03:26:08 AM
Everyone here that is bashing Infowars you guys can't even seem to think outside the "government box" blah blah blah

...Was so sure of his convictions, he last logged in the day after he posted the above..What a surprise. 

Quote from: PerfectTommy on February 21, 2014, 07:37:53 AM
Jesus, who the hell is this? The next David Berkowitz?

Ahh, that is Casio...For now, that's all you need to know. What he does, how and why he does what he does, only an experienced psychiatrist could explain.

13th earl

Jazz club - desolate shore - fast show

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 21, 2014, 04:51:17 AM

Whew, you must be dizzy after gluing all that together.

"That's what Communism is, no overall leader".   Well, that's what Marx said would be the ultimate outcome, but it didn't happen that way.  He was wrong about just about everything, so there is no reason to think he's going to end up right about that. 

Thank you! You agree then. So if it didn't happen that way, it wasn't Communism. Just the way a whole egg isn't going to be a boiled one, if it's made into an omelette. Just believing it is still boiled doesn't make it so. Likewise, Stalin reminding the peasants they lived in a Communist utopia didn't mean it was; It meant they were being deceived.

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Before everyone can be equal with no overall leader, the people who resist must be murdered.  Need a big all-powerful government for that.  

No you don't. The French revolution didn't have one. Nor did the Russian one.

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And that is what is so evil about the Left - they don't mind doing the dirty work before Utopia can be reached.  Of course somewhere along the way they realize what you don't - Utopia is impossible given human nature.

Ahhh, but you see nothing wrong with so called 'patriots' overthrowing your government (past present and future) using all those stashed up weapons and ammunition they need to make them masculine? I guess they're the 'evil left' too...

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About the Holocaust Museum's comment.  That does not conflict with anything I've said - the Fascists saw 'political opponents such as communists, social democrats and socialists' as just that, political opponents.  The Fascists and Communists were competing to appeal to the same groups.  Owning the means of production (Socialist), and allowing private ownership but with heavy regulation and dictating what is done (Fascist) are not all that different.

Look; Get a grown up to read the quotes to you, especially the bit: "Hermann Göring later testified at the Nuremberg Trials that it was the Nazis' willingness to repress German communists that prompted Hindenburg and the old elite to cooperate with them. Hitler and the Nazis also hated German leftists because of their resistance to Nazi racism"

Then when it's been read to you, ask them to explain what it means. I've done my bit now on this..I'll leave it to others who are more adept at trying to plait fog, swimming in glue and other fruitless endevours.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 21, 2014, 04:05:26 AM

Well, you've insisted multiple times that Stalin and Mao were also 'right-wing'.  You're not bothered in the slightest that these 'notable historiansfaculties' don't agree with you on that.

But you'll defer to them this one time on Hitler and use that as your evidence.

No, I've said that Stalin wasn't a communist. He wasn't, he was a fascist. If he'd been a communist he wouldn't have murdered millions of his own countrymen and women, because he'd have been equal. That's what communism is, no overall leader.
So again, can you list the research paper or notable historian that states (with slides if it helps you) Hitler was a Communist. (Because in Rightland; Commie, socialist, liberal are the same animal)..

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The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM) states: “The Holocaust was the murder of six million Jews and millions of others by the Nazis and their collaborators during World War II."[1]

In addition to Jews, the targeted groups included Poles (of whom 2.5 million gentile Poles were killed) and some other Slavic peoples; Soviets (particularly prisoners of war); Romanies (also known as Gypsies) and others who did not belong to the Aryan Herrenvolk "Aryan master race"; the mentally ill, the deaf, the physically disabled and mentally retarded; homosexual and transsexual people; political opponents such as communists, social democrats and socialists; and religious dissidents, i.e. members of Jehovah's Witnesses

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Leftists[edit]
German communists were among the first people to be sent to concentration camps.[23][24] They concerned Hitler due to their ties with the Soviet Union and because the Nazi Party was intractably opposed to communism. Rumours of pending communist violence were started by the Nazis as justification for the Enabling Act of 1933, the law which gave Hitler his original dictatorial powers. Hermann Göring later testified at the Nuremberg Trials that it was the Nazis' willingness to repress German communists that prompted Hindenburg and the old elite to cooperate with them. Hitler and the Nazis also hated German leftists because of their resistance to Nazi racism. Many leaders of German leftist groups were Jews who were especially prominent among the leaders of the Spartacist Uprising in 1919. Hitler referred to Marxism and "Bolshevism" as a means of "the international Jew" to undermine "racial purity" and survival of the Nordics or Aryans (sometimes of all white Europeans), as well as stirring up socioeconomic class tension and labor unions against the government or relevant businesses. Within concentration camps such as Buchenwald, German communists were privileged in comparison to Jews because of their "racial purity."[citation needed] Whenever the Nazis occupied a new territory, members of communist, socialist, or anarchist groups were thus normally among the first to be repressed, including summary executions. [/b]An example of this is Hitler's infamous Commissar Order in which he demanded the summary execution of all political commissars captured among Soviet soldiers.[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

Take it up with them. They obviously got it wrong, they should have consulted you...

Quote from: Mind Flayer Monk on February 21, 2014, 02:39:15 AM
I think most people that commit suicide have a history of trying to commit suicide. So it is odd when people just commit suicide out of the blue and are successful the first time.

Not exactly: para suicides (not intending to die), are quite noticeably split by gender. Women by far outstrip men in para suicides, but men commit suicide more than women. Men between 15 and 30 are at the biggest risk (although that upper figure has risen in recent years in the UK). Farmers are the largest profession (as a percentage) to commit suicide. Reasons usually being the very long hours, high stress and loneliness, and of course opportunity-usually shooting), Doctors are also quite high risk. Many years ago I was involved in the field and it surprised me just how wide the demograph is, although as I said, there are clusters.. The mentally ill (particularly schizophrenics) are also at risk, and that is brought on by the depression resulting from the mental illness. 

It's why I asked in my earlier post, what are the statistics for other professions in the same time frame? Are bankers really having a suicidal blip, or is it merely being reported to the detriment of other less 'sexy' professions? Until proper analysis is brought to play, the figures are meaningless other than being just numbers.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 20, 2014, 07:29:37 PM

Sooo, Fascism is right wing because it's right wing.  Got it.

But you think it's left wing because you say so? Hmmmm, should I listen to you or people who know? Decisions. Which notable historiansfaculties agree with you?

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 20, 2014, 04:04:11 PM
"Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state."

Now that's an interesting way to put it. A "state" is really just a collective of people. If you rephrase that by exchanging the word "state" with "collective" it no longer seems very right wing anymore.

Sure, if you overlook the bit in bold. Communism is the collective not the totalitarian state, running the country. Mussolini was a Commie too then? Funny that, because he was hanged by the people (There's that collective again) from a lampost...

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 20, 2014, 03:29:11 PM

It's called the Big Lie.

Remember back when Reagan was President, Big Media began referring to members of the Soviet Politburo as 'Conservatives'?  Same thing. 

If all a person knows is what they hear from Big Media, Academia, and Hollywood - and especially if they don't really think for themselves - they won't know any better.

Rather than good ole boys with the gumption of plankton who think Genghis Khan (If they'd heard of him) was so liberal he became the originator of drop in centres for the homeless, poor and starving?

Quote from: pyewacket on February 20, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
You're right! What the heck was I thinking?!? I've seen this in the new age community, too. The theory of the month comes out and they all climb on the money train till the next stop. I remember when "life coaches" were the rage. A woman I knew was going to pay for the course so she could become "certified". She didn't have her own life in order BUT she was going to charge people for advice she was prepared to parrot from a "course". I really am an out of touch sort, I guess. I'd have some serious reservations about doing that. I'm sure the fees would be reasonable. LOL She gave "readings" for $45.00. Such a bargain!

http://www.theonion.com/articles/supposed-adult-pays-man-to-sit-in-room-and-listen,35321/?ref=auto

Quote from: pyewacket on February 20, 2014, 12:44:27 PM
Maybe they can offer coupons for lobotomies or whatever other invasive probing it would take to solve that pesky thinking problem. Not to worry- after the probing - you can always put some turmeric on it!   

I doubt they'll offer (for free) you anything; They will though sell you a DVD or a book. At a very special price. Only $39,99 each, but if you buy vol 1 and 2, you can get them at only $80.

Quote from: pyewacket on February 20, 2014, 12:09:10 PM
That would be me- hater extraordinaire! I can't stop myself from asking questions- always with the questions!!!   

What is wrong with you? Critical thinking has no place on conspiracy theories. Wells' buddy Jones knows, and he is the man. He has no vested interest in the gullible researchers parting with their cash.

Quote from: Lunger on February 20, 2014, 12:07:03 PM
You're still not telling me what Hitler did that defined him a right wing, other than the Left saying he was.

Well; He wasn't a communist if that's what you're implying. (I'll humour you)...If he was he wouldn't have had an autocracy. Because he surely did. You are aware that communist is the derivative of commune don't you? Incidentally have you managed to find any notable historians who concur with your dingbat opinion?

I know there are many more but here you are.

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Synopsis

The government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state. Totalitarian regimes, in contrast to a dictatorship, establish complete political, social, and cultural control over their subjects, and are usually headed by a charismatic leader. Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state. Nazi fascism's ideology included a racial theory which denigrated "non-Aryans," extreme nationalism which called for the unification of all German-speaking peoples, the use of private paramilitary organizations to stifle dissent and terrorize opposition, and the centralization of decision-making by, and loyalty to, a single leader

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Totalitarian Regime vs. Dictatorship

Totalitarian regimes differ from older concepts of dictatorship or tyranny. Totalitarian regimes seek to establish complete political, social and cultural control, whereas dictatorships seek limited, typically political, control. Two types of totalitarianism can sometimes be distinguished: Nazism and Fascism which evolved from "right-wing" extremism, and Communism, which evolved from "left-wing" extremism. Traditionally, each is supported by different social classes. Right-wing totalitarian movements have generally drawn their popular support primarily from middle classes seeking to maintain the economic and social status quo. Left-wing totalitarianism has often developed from working class movements seeking, in theory, to eliminate, not preserve, class distinctions. Right-wing totalitarianism has typically supported and enforced the private ownership of industrial wealth. A distinguishing feature of Communism, by contrast, is the collective ownership of such capital.

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Nazism

Nazism refers to the totalitarian Fascist ideology and policies espoused and practiced by Adolf Hitler and his National Socialist German Worker's Party from 1920-1945. Nazism stressed the superiority of the Aryan, its destiny as the Master Race to rule the world over other races, and a violent hatred of Jews, which it blamed for all of the problems of Germany. Nazism also provided for extreme nationalism which called for the unification of all German-speaking peoples into a single empire. The economy envisioned for the state was a form of corporative state socialism, although members of the party who were leftists (and would generally support such an economic system over private enterprise) were purged from the party in 1934.

http://remember.org/guide/Facts.root.nazi.html

Now run along and play.

Quote from: pyewacket on February 20, 2014, 11:32:57 AM
I'm not a techie- but my hubby is and he was surprised by the poor sound quality, too. We signed up for 3 months to support John in his effort to make a go of it. The Rabbi Steve show was disappointing. I kept waiting for John to challenged at least one of the claims Steve made. I can't imagine Art nodding and not commenting about "the Jesuits sunk the Titanic to get rid of 3 bankers who wouldn't cooperate!" Holy cow! So the captain of the Titanic agreed to sacrifice his life, the lives of all those entrusted to him on the voyage, and his reputation in order to ram the ship full of people into a well placed iceberg and hope that the 3 guys didn't make it to one of the life boats.     I haven't listened to any of the new shows- not sure I want to now.

You're implying it's an unlikely scenario..hater. 

If you like traditional folk music (All genres/ countries) you might enjoy this. It was broadcast last night, and has only 6 days left to listen to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ldcd8

I wish they all could be California girls...Erm, well, not really

http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/19/barbie-doll-fan-has-hypnotherapy-to-make-her-brainless-like-her-icon-4310750/