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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26233170

Quote from: Unquenchable Angst on February 27, 2014, 11:22:42 AM

more than 150 employed just for this bullshit program of deception

Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group

I beg to differ; The PP presentation will have been a blast, and although a 150 may be employed, the aims and achievements will be far reaching..150 won't be employed for nothing.


And there's more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26367781

Quote from: b_dubb on February 27, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
FightTheFuture - 1,397
Everyone Else - 0

Is there a point to any of this?  Do you just feel like your fingers need exercise?

Fingers are soooo last year.. It's voice activation by proxy. Accent of choice, this week mostly Azerbaijani.

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on February 27, 2014, 10:27:24 AM
No, we can thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster (may you be touched by his noodley appendage) for them.

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They love it, they do, they love it..

Quote from: Ben Shockley on February 27, 2014, 10:04:38 AM
Paranoid defensiveness, including about anything proffered in the forum [what about them? Huh? HUH??], is the righties' default mode.

I think so too; Or FtF really does believe in immaculate conceptions.. In which case the 'parent's of the two individuals are an irrelevance.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 27, 2014, 09:03:02 AM
We absolutely have a predominately liberal press. Not to mention Hollyweird.


Although, we can thank GOD for Mark Brunett and Roma Downey.

A mention of their parents might not go amiss...

To be or not to be dufi, that is the question.
dufi; Lord of War.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 25, 2014, 02:41:42 PM
Liberal press? Huh? Again; WTF are you talking about?

I think that question should be directed at PB..he's the one who says you have one. Despite me pointing out that it isn't universal or even exclusive..I'm sure he'll be along to clarify that though. I was just quoting.

Quote from: b_dubb on February 26, 2014, 11:01:00 PM
You have to be a fascist asshole to want to be a teacher these days

No, I think the opposite. And teachers these days can't do right for doing wrong. It's why the default position has gone from not enforcing discipline in case it upsets the parents who frequently don't know best, to virtual paranoia so that anything has to be dealt with in an overly officious way or they'll be accused of not paying attention.. I wouldn't be a teacher even if I was qualified. It's too much shit for too little reward.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on February 27, 2014, 03:30:52 AM
Why don't we ask why a government should be involved in dictating to everyone what two adults can choose to get married? Why do you need a license or permission at all? But that's how we're framing it, isn't it? Make it legal or make it illegal. Fuck that, how about we inform the government that we've married and wish to inform it for legal purposes. As long as the law is confined to preventing people from marrying goats or ten-year-olds, you tell me what's wrong with that.

Didn't Jerry Lee Lewis marry a 13 year old? Wasn't Jesus' mother Mary the same age when she gave birth? Neither is my cup of bath water. The government passes the laws. In some cases it's seen as sacrosanct, and the means to live by to have a wholesome and fulfilling existence.. But as  Birdie said above:

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I also find it ironic that the people against gay marriage are usually the same ones talking about defending constitutional freedoms and keeping the government out of private citizens' lives. Next time I hear that claptrap, I am calling Bullshit. When you are supposedly a champion of constitutional rights, you do not have the luxury of picking and choosing which issues suit you and you personal shortcomings.

You can't have it both ways. You (as in the USA) has a constitution that is intractable or you don't.

My own view is although I wouldn't marry a man if I was gay, I wouldn't see it as impinging on me if two gay guys did marry, and why should it? FWIW, I know a couple of gay blokes and both say they disagree with the concept of gay marriage, but they understand why some support it. But I'm sure you'd find straight people who disagree with the concept of heterosexual marriage too. Both are entitled to have their view.

Quote from: GuerrillaUnReal on February 26, 2014, 09:01:09 PM

Has this idiot ever once provided evidence or anything of any merit?

No.

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Holy shit, what a bullshit artist douche.

Yes.

For further insight into Hoagland's delusions, look on Expat's blog, and Astroguy's podcasts.

http://dorkmission.blogspot.co.uk/2012_12_01_archive.html

http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/about/

Quote from: jazmunda on February 26, 2014, 04:31:57 PM


Perhaps one of the 60 sub forums in this forum will be more to your refined palate.

You wouldn't banish me to that place, you're sick, but not inhumane.


I think.

Quote from: Uncle Duke on February 26, 2014, 04:57:05 PM
I admit I'm not a helo guy.  Is this a Sea Knight or a Chinook?  I think it's the former, bu I never knew the Aussies flew CH-46s.

Looks like a Sea Knight..three bladed Rotors and trike undercart.

Quote from: Birdie on February 26, 2014, 09:29:46 PM
The thing I don't understand is why people think gay marriage is being 'foisted' upon them. Really? How, in any way, does gay marriage affect you, or your own marriage, personally? It does not, unless you have a family member who is gay or you choose to let it bother you. What it really boils down to is nothing to do with marriage, it is bigotry against gays in general. Opposition to gay marriage is simply a flimsy shield homophobic bigots think they are hiding behind. But no one, other than those doing the 'hiding,' is dumb enough to not see this for what it really is.

If marriage is so sacrosanct to there people, why are they not out there protesting divorce? There is the real root moral decay: broken families accompanied by absentee parenting. And If you think a gay marriage somehow devalues your own marriage, obviously, you don't take your commitment very seriously or comprehend the real meaning of marriage. Why are these supposed champions of 'true marriage' not speaking out against forced or arranged marriages? Because they don't truly believe any of this, they just hate faggots and are trying to pretend it is not reprehensible conduct.  Ahh, hating your neighbor is such a good, wholesome Christian value. Look at John 4:20- 'Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.' That is real Christianity, along with loving your neighbor, taking care of the poor, and believing only god can judge others.

I also find it ironic that the people against gay marriage are usually the same ones talking about defending constitutional freedoms and keeping the government out of private citizens' lives. Next time I hear that claptrap, I am calling Bullshit. When you are supposedly a champion of constitutional rights, you do not have the luxury of picking and choosing which issues suit you and you personal shortcomings.

^^^Bang on.

I think there's an element of self loathing by some of those who shout the loudest against (insert group). As you say though, if the bigots were so wrapped up in the sanctity of marriage, they'd be finding ways to ensure couples stayed together in rocky times, and offering practical help. Maybe even offer to take the kids away for a week in a camp so the parents could work out their problems.

As for 'seismic shifts', well it was a seismic shift when women were allowed to vote, allowed to decide who they married without their fathers 'permission', allowed to divorce their husbands, allowed to decide when they conceived. Move on. If Lesbians and Gays want to marry, whose business is it of anyone but the couple? Who else does it effect? 

Quote from: jazmunda on February 26, 2014, 04:14:26 PM
Ass fountain?

You are a very very sick man...

Quote from: The General on February 26, 2014, 03:22:53 PM
I knew that shit like this was gonna come down when gay marriage started being foisted upon us.  Conservatives said, "Hold on, people are going to be forced to participate in things that are against their religion."  Liberals promised that this was not the case.  Well, here we are. Fuck.  It gets worse from here on out.  Polygamy, unisex public bathrooms, bans on male only sports teams or women only gyms... it's coming.  The obliteration of gender from our society.  That was the plan all along.  The communists told us that it was coming.  They told us what the plan was.  They told us that they'd pull the keystone out of the arch of our society.  They knew the family was the building block of our society and had to be destroyed.  Doing it under the guise of 'civil rights' was a stroke of evil genius. on their part, I'll grant them that.

The delineation of male/female roles in our society is one of the key basics of its foundation.
Male/female marriage is unfair to gays, I grant that.  But what about the consequences? 
Take gender out of marriage, and therefore society, and you've take the axle off the wheel.

Funny that; Cos I've never been forced into a gay marriage. I'm reasonably confident I never will be. I'm also reasonably confident that in the unlikely event I remarry, my marriage will have zero effect on anyone else, gay or not...Amazing. Similarly gay weddings don't effect me or you if you're not involved directly.

The way society is seen as being all righteous pre same sex marriage legislation is preposterous. It's a pure fantasy to suggest that 'family values' (that well know grocer), has been eroded by same sex relationships. Most murders (yep, to wives and families too) are perpetrated by heterosexual men. That kills family values a hell of a lot more than two guys or women who want to have their marriage blessed by their respective church.
I think it funny how 'Communist' is thrown in the mix too: Anyone see and hear about the 'gay rights' in Sochi, in that well known former 'Communist' country? When gay men and women were threatened and beaten up by police? The commies are so turned on by gay rights they pass laws to ostracise them. Maybe AZ and Russia can team up and compare notes?

Quote from: gbneely on February 26, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
Any belief system, be it religious or political, produces zealots. I never see you rant against socialism/communism and the death, wars, and poverty caused by their zealots. And there must be a truly special hatred in your heart for all the evil that monarchies have wrought upon humanity.

Funny how you  point out the 'socialists/Communists' to be the cause of deaths/wars etc, but overlook those caused by those you would consider non socialists. .. But it's irrelevant who causes wars/poverty etc, because it doesn't make it right. It's irrelevant because the innocent civilians being wiped out really don't care who picked them out to be the target practice.
So thanks for projecting what you think my emotions are to me, but I don't hate anyone.

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I have several problems with Christianity, but I can recognize the right of people to profess, practice and live their faith without fear of government persecution. It's the main reason there is a United States of America. Despite the belief of some, I don't attend church and am not currently a practicing Christian, but by and large, the people I know who profess to be Christian are decent, charitable, and nonjudgmental. They don't run around pointing out the sin in others, because they know we're all guilty of sin. Is Christianity perfect? Absolutely not, but in today's world I see it doing far more good than bad.

I agree, I also think the vast amount of followers of religions are decent people, and in spite of what some on here think, that includes Muslims. I specifically pointed out the zealots and those that indoctrinate for a reason..

It's been brought up by someone else..Try being openly atheist and getting into the Whitehouse. Then who would be persecuted/ marginalised?

Quote from: b_dubb on February 26, 2014, 12:53:44 PM
I need to lay off the chipotle salsa. My incontinence has reached MV levels.

That isn't possible.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 26, 2014, 12:45:13 PM
I realize you are an atheist, but your constant attempts at being edgy by using highly inflamatory terms in reference to religion, particularly Christianity, are really  juvenile, if not boorish. You should really consider that next  time you feel the urge to lecture people about their intolerance.

I'll stop being 'edgy' and inflammatory when modern religions and their oppressors in chief treat everyone equally, and cease subjugation, oppression, cruel and vile acts and spend as much time looking at their own shortcomings as they do in pointing out the 'sins' of others.

In short I don't give a shit who I upset if they're defending religion, because I can be sure their religious zealots have caused more harm, wars, and poverty than anything I could do or say.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 26, 2014, 12:12:09 PM
When you get right down to it, all this law would do is offer and added layer of protection for a business owner against frivolous lawsuits.

A person's religious convictions do not stop when they leave their home domicile. They carry those beliefs with them to their place of business. And, if they choose to exercise some discretion over whom they serve -- based on those beliefs -- that should be there right to do so without fear of being sued into oblivion.

That's all fine and dandy if there are no sanctimonious hypocrites in the flock. Religious zealots have a propensity of cherry picking the parts of their fairy tale that suits them at any one time, but disregard the bits that don't.

Quote from: Uncle Duke on February 26, 2014, 11:06:11 AM
Are you old enough to have seen the Red Arrows fly the Folland Gnat?  Great little a/c, and I do mean "little."

Yes. I was in the Air cadets in my teens. We went on camp to RAF Valley, Angelsey North Wales in the mid 70's. The Arrows (Gnats) were there at the time, Hawks were just being introduced..My very first powered flight was in a DH Chipmunk and the pilot was an ex Arrows pilot... There wasn't much vomit.

The Gnat was also done as a single seater, and I found out that the main gear doors were the airbrakes.

Quote from: The Neverender on February 26, 2014, 10:51:39 AM
Maybe of some interest?
It's on CNN so it must be true

A mangy Coyote? Are they for real? If they can't see that, are they sure they're keeping cattle?

Quote from: Uncle Duke on February 26, 2014, 10:38:34 AM
Ah, the Brisfit, my favorite WWI a/c.  It's success ultimately came back to bite RAF and FAA pilots in the ass as the concept of the two-man fighter evolved into the Defiant and Roc of WWII.  There is a story of a German He-59, a large ponderous biplane with floats, out running a Roc. How embarassing would that be?

Getting a ride in a Bell 47 (as above) would complete my "I want to fly in that" bucket list.  Well, that and the Grace Spitfire, but the latter won't happen.

My father used to be involved in the Royal Airforces Association. They have subsidised holiday homes all over the country, and a few years ago the Red Arrows were displaying at Blackpool, Lancashire over the sea. The holiday home is not far away and a couple of pilots came over on a good will visit and chatted with some of the old boys who had fought in WW2. One had been a Hurricane fighter pilot and my old man said these two fast jet pilots were open mouthed like schoolboys in awe of what they heard!

We had a programme here about the B of B, and the pilots who fought in it, and one old boy well into his 80's was recounting how at 19, they saw the Spitfire as a teenager would now see being given the keys to a Ferrari. They didn't feel scared, just excited at being able to fly such a wonderful aeroplane.

Quote from: maureen on February 26, 2014, 09:43:24 AM
grand-dad Arundell flew for the RFC and was shot down in WW1... and with schrapnel in his back he was turned into a morphine addict. Does this fit the thread?

Do you know what he flew? SE5? Sopwith Camel? Bristol fighter? Any photos?

Quote from: Paper*Boy on February 26, 2014, 09:58:18 AM

What is so sacrosanct about gayness that it should be permitted to trample over freedom of religion and civil rights?

Nothing: But why should it be seen as less? When has homosexuality been used to trample over religions? I can show you loads of examples of the opposite-latest in Uganda..Recent events in Sochi, Russia, although not religious based was/is still oppression. In several countries being homosexual carries the death penalty.

Quote from: awake on February 26, 2014, 08:03:40 AM
^^ fixed that for you pal.


It is a religious freedom bill.  The same basic legislation is working through the state governments of Missouri,Georgia, Ohio and Nevada.  The States of Kansas, Tennessee and South Dakota have already looked into and shelved (for now) the same basic "religious freedom" legislation.  It's a continuation of the evangelical overreach happening in portions of the U.S. currently.  As was noted in another thread this week, 46% of Americans believe that Earth is 6,000 years old. 

And 25% believe the sun goes around the Earth...scary..

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Also, the bill is so broadly written that a person could legally deny service to more than lgbt persons: a restaurant could deny service to a single mother if the owner believes that sex outside of marriage is a sin, any deeply held religious conviction is justification for refusal of service to ANYBODY.  Arizona already allows for discrimination against gays, in AZ you can be fired or not hired if you are gay; this new bill is something else entirely.  I know that bumper sticker snark is HILARIOUS but this bill is much much more than an anti-gay bill.

What?? You mean overtones of a religious centric legislature along the lines of oh, I dunno Saudi Arabia? Or Pakistan? Or Eire? Whether or not you're affiliated to any religious indoctrination or not? What are you thinking?

Quote from: Unscreened Caller on February 26, 2014, 04:46:22 AM

Thank god! Another childhood scourge on the decline.

Hater of face paint and comedic exploding cars.

Quote from: onan on February 26, 2014, 04:02:04 AM

C.S. Lewis Jr. - Patriotic Country Singer

Wwwwwwwwowwwww......One minute.


"They say the first words when I came out of my mother's womb were..."

I'm more likely to believe that of C.S. Lewis the author, but not a bloke with a stetson.  But I think either is highly improbable.

I warmed to him with the 'If you're from Europe, you can suck ma deek' ..Only because he couldn't find it on a map, so I'm not offended.

Quote from: b_dubb on February 26, 2014, 03:16:04 AM
This thread has ruined pizza for me. Thanks. No further need for Pizza Punch.

Embrace the punch.. Nurture it...Love it...

Quote from: jazmunda on February 26, 2014, 03:10:59 AM
It's a date. We can share a pizza.

Too soon?

I'm not a slut..I really want to be, but I can't do it.


Can I choose the topping?