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Quote from: albrecht on May 10, 2018, 01:17:55 PM
Nice summary, official MITD BG Thread Executive Summary Maker.

ps: I have to thank Heather. She introduced me, via the internet and a show done in an aquarium, to people the like of which I never have seen or even imagined existed:
Paul and Ella.
They need their own show or blog site. So bizarre.

I guess I need something now that my spying days are over.

You're right. If it wasn't for all this drama, we wouldn't have been introduced to the likes of Paul and Ella. Despite following Bellgab for years, I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around the fact that these people really exist.

Quote from: HumanBeing on May 10, 2018, 12:47:33 PM
Thanks. Great job. This is wicked! 

No problem! My only regret was not bookmarking screenshots as they appeared. That one with heather telling her followers to bash the guest host was difficult to dig up. lol So, if I missed anything important, please let me know and I will add it as this bullshit rolls along. 

Quote from: Bobs Your Uncle on May 10, 2018, 12:34:44 PM

Thank you for putting this together. I'm sure there will be more to come!

No problem! Oh, I'm sure there will be. 

Quote from: Grifynne on May 07, 2018, 05:41:12 PM
Yes, Heather got upset when Art died and went off the deep end. First, she was pissed that Art's death was announced before she could do it on MitD (presumably to get everyone coming back to MitD for the info). Then she didn't do the show for 2+ weeks and refused to let Keith know when she might return. She also demanded that he not get a fill-in host while she's gone (and refused to provide one).

Keith tried working with her, giving her space, but she badmouthed him and flipped anytime he tried to come to a solution. A couple deadlines were set and missed by Heather so Keith finally terminated her. She pretty much tied his hands up to that point. He was more than generous with the time he gave her, considering no employer I know would have waited that long and not found a fill-in.

In the meantime, Heather has amassed mindless followers who only know what she wants them to know and continue to rip Keith apart. Also, despite living next door, she did not attend Art's funeral nor drive his wife to the service (these things were mentioned, interpret them as you may). A close friend of Art's, Karen from KNYE, did a show discussing how pissed she was the Nye County Sheriff announced Art's death. She claimed Heather was supposed to be on but didn't appear for some unknown reason. Karen has since made negative posts about Heather's weeks-long self-pity party and how it needs to stop.

Yes, Heather seems to hate everyone. She and Rosegirl (AKA Lasha Seniuk) have been all over social media expressing that sentiment. Heather called George Knapp a vulture after George posted an interview he did with Art in tribute (or some kinda related audio - something that was done long before Heather was in the picture). Lasha continues to stir the pot as well.

Heather also appeared on a crappy podcast show called UFO Undercover with Joe Montaldo (I think this links to the interview episode: https://soundcloud.com/uprn/ufo-undercover-tonight-guest ) that was a trainwreck. She was rude to the host, stopped mid-interview to take a personal phone call, wouldn't let the host run the show and was obviously screening callers hard despite trying to act like she wasn't (as evidenced by later remarks she made about Bellgabbers not calling in on social media). The episode was a mix of her barking demands at the host in between fake sobs and sycophants fawning. Quite the spectacle. Although one caller got in with a great question about whether or not she was Art's mistress.  And there was a highly suspect anecdote Heather told about Art, which he obviously cannot verify at this point.

EDIT per Albrecht: I will only add I seem to recall during that awful show that sounded like it was being done in an aquarium that they were still broadcasting after they thought the show was over and the crying, sniffling, and maudlinism suddenly seemed to disappear. At least at it seemed to me.

Keith announced that he has found a new host for MitD, but hasn't said who. Through tons of Bellgab speculation, the potential list was narrowed down to a few people. Noory popped on the forums here and by his presence, and the fact he indicated that he "knows" the host, many deduced that it is Dave Schrader. Noory didn't come out and say it directly, but the clues are there. They did announce that Ian Punnett is returning to C2C, though, presumably to replace whoever is joining MitD.

And tonight MitD starts again, for the first time since Art died (and having never put on a tribute show thanks to Heather - not counting Keith's bumper music marathon).

Someone else can chime in if I forgot anything. There are tons of little snippets of conversation and details floating around, but I think that covers the key events as I remember them. lol

Back by request, here is my original "what the hell is happening?" post with some new updates and links to screenshots.

Here we have Lasha threatening someone with Satanists and mob bosses because interviews: http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=9159.msg1193973#msg1193973

One of the ideas that Heather tried to push on her followers is that Keith suddenly fired her for no reason and blocked her from accessing any means of communicating with them, which is obviously not true. But in case that isn't obvious enough, here is Keith verifying that "nothing has changed": http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=9159.msg1193889#msg1193889

And since there seems to be some opinion that Heather is this sweet, innocent person who did nothing wrong (well not so much here, but elsewhere), here she is asking her followers to "bash the hell out of that guest host": http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=9159.msg1195597#msg1195597

Meanwhile, Dave Schrader has taken over MitD. So far, he's had a mostly positive reception from Bellgab. The only group that seems to be unhappy with him are almost entirely Heather's sycophants. He has come across as everything Heather wasn't: honest, upfront, reliable, and a good interviewer. He also doesn't put on a stupid voice so +1,000.

Possibly due to boredom, one of Heather's followers in the Heather Wade Fans Facebook group created a banner with her one and only photo. In the process, he Photoshopped her hair on both sides, giving her that trendy spaniel look (I present The Spaniel: http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=9159.msg1202741#msg1202741). And the Spy operating within the group (AKA: me) was found out and banned hard. Can't even see the group name in the Facebook search anymore. Now we know that Heather's cult has their eye on Bellgab.

We also have other evidence that Heather or her proxy follow Bellgab. After laying claim to Art Bell's legacy, she created the website www.ArtBellLegacy.com. Not to be outdone, our own loveable Bart Ell created his version at www.BartEllLegacy.com. Shortly after, we discovered that Heather's site's menu icons were changed, possibly because she knew that they had to be different or else Bart Ell's legacy would be the clear winner.

The strange couple Paul and Ella Craddock continue to fawn over Heather and send her weird gifts. To date, we know that she has received a garment steamer, socks, a survival pen, and some kind of video of "Dracula pumpkin orb's 2002 and the death of our dog 1987 pictures" from them. Also they pee the dog. I'm not making this up. Click here to read it for yourself: http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=9159.msg1208005;topicseen#msg1208005

Heather appears to have crawled out of her hole after several days of silence. She seems to be trying to spark interest and excitement with posts on Facebook asking her followers "Wanna take a ride?" and posting music videos like Nancy Sinatra's These Boots Are Made for Walking.

Monday is suppose to be the "big day" for her return, although there is very little information out there as of yet. And while Heather dicks around getting her shit together, Dave Schrader continues to thrive on MitD, even giving Bellgab some love with shoutouts and posting on the forums.

Also, for posterity since it isn't new, here is a link to Art's long-time friend Karen Jackson from KNYE's Facebook page with attached screenshot of her reaction to Heather's pity party: https://www.facebook.com/people/Karen-Jackson/1073027827

And now we wait for the next meltdown...

Happy 3,000 MITD Thread! 

Quote from: Sean92008 on May 09, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
Did anyone look up the article on Dave's ex-girlfriend? 

If not, http://articles.latimes.com/1995-11-20/news/mn-5286_1_baby-cut-from-womb-survives

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-debra-evans-case-973477

Man, that is horrific.

Quote from: zeebo on May 09, 2018, 08:20:53 PM
Nice, looks like you got the Pro version.

Only the best for my computer when I'm not using it.

Quote from: zeebo on May 09, 2018, 08:14:03 PM
There was a time when people used to actually buy that flying toaster screensaver.   :

I don't know if I should feel nostalgic or embarrassed.

Quote from: ItsTelly on May 09, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
Is this best viewed with Netscape?  I'll have to bring out the good ol' Packard Bell I purchased at Sears to view it.

Just like old times!

Telly

It only works if you get your internet from one of those old AOL CDs.

Quote from: brig on May 09, 2018, 07:59:12 PM
So in a round about way, are you saying Dave is not at all interested in keeping people like me as a listener long term? 

Ok, well, thats up to him.

You can't please everyone.

Quote from: Skeleton Jelly on May 09, 2018, 07:13:28 PM
If you're gonna make a shit website, might as well break out the badass skeleton gifs, the classic alien gifs, the dancing baby & and so on and include a fake hit counter.

Just some good ole html done in notepad with a repeating space background, kind of like Mad Martians website

How about some stars or something that follow the cursor? lol

Around the end of high school, I dated a guy whose grandmother had so much crap on her computer. She downloaded a program that put sheep on your screen. That's it. Just tons and tons of sheep would take over your monitor. And I don't mean a handful. It was crazy. Man, the crap we used to do with PCs back in the day... 

Quote from: brig on May 09, 2018, 06:54:18 PM
What makes you think that Dave wouldn't provide a great show about Trump, that even politics and Trump Haters would enjoy?  I think IF Dave is INTERESTED in it, and finds a guest he might want to talk to about it once every two years, then he shouldn't let fear of "haters" stop him. I'm not into shows about paranormal, but Spooky Tim and Dave make them fun for me to listen to.  It could be argued that a percentage of the bellgab audience might not want  paranormal, but we're listening because we enjoy Dave, and he makes it fun. 

If Dave is NOT interested in these topics, then thats a different story.

I don't mean to speak for him, but so far Dave doesn't seem too concerned about haters. I suspect that he really isn't interested in politics or he would include it, haters be damned. So really this is probably a moot point. And as someone who is into the paranormal subject, I am really glad he's not going into politics on the show. Not sure why people get so hung up on including it in EVERYTHING when it's already everywhere. There are other topics of interest that can be extremely deep and engaging. Let those of us who love non-political topics have our fun, and those who prefer politics can stick to the many, many, many options that are already out there and available every day.

Since when did Art "gift" Heather the wormhole?  : And one might argue that Karma is at work here. HW isn't on the air and we have a more-than-just-competent host to listen to on MitD.

Any predictions as far as how HW's remaining followers are going to react if the 14th comes and goes with no word from her?

Quote from: bellNwhistle on May 09, 2018, 02:19:15 PM
I see someone had his Wheaties today?

Maybe Paul and Ella's dog pissed in them?

Quote from: Dyna-X on May 09, 2018, 02:15:39 PM
I'm still laughing about the Dracula Pumpkin.
Where does one get a pumpkin in May? Can't wait until October?
Is peeing a sheepdog like milking a cow?
If he is hurriedly typing this while the sheepdog is waiting, why not just pee the blasted sheepdog out?
Are socks with weird designs an in thing again? Were they used?
Is a "survival pen" just a Space Pen?
Why does he think anyone outside his family wants to see pictures of a deceased dog from 31 years ago? He's not Benji, Rin TinTin, or Laika.

If Paul and Ella have a youtube channel, I fear Falkie may face competition.

I assume they meant the candle inside the pumpkin was still burning, but did anyone else envision a pumpkin that was on fire (as in, the rind and all)? lol

Quote from: bellNwhistle on May 09, 2018, 02:15:38 PM
Yeah, I'd prefer you keep Trump off MITD.. only as is relevant to current events, if you cover them. JMO.

100% agree. People who want politics can go pretty much anywhere else to get their fill.

Quote from: Battleborn on May 09, 2018, 02:15:38 PM
I remember when Art quit the show originally a lot of people, including I think Art, asserted that nobody with experience or other options would have been interested in taking over MITD. That was one of the reasons given for putting Heather in the host chair. Yet here we are over two years later, with the show presumably in a much weaker position, and Keith was able to quickly attract an experienced and busy host like Dave. I wonder if those initial assertions were never true and were just a justification for giving the show to someone without any credentials, or if only now with enough water under the bridge somebody with Dave's qualifications was willing to consider the role. Anyway, just something I was thinking about. 

Interesting observation. You may be on to something.

Quote from: Lord Grantham on May 09, 2018, 01:09:23 PM
Thanks for that.
Doesn't even have to be US politics. Say country "X" is in the news, interview someone who is an expert in the culture and motivations of the people in country "X", something along those lines.

While Dave was in here there was a parallel conversation about Switzerland going on, and it was interesting. So yeah, he shouldn't be locked into high strangeness all the time.

I don't mind deviations from high strangeness, but personally, I'm glad he won't be tackling politics specifically. There is really no reason to because he is right, there are so many other places you can get that crap. It's oversaturated. I like to listen to these shows partly as a break from that bullshit.

Quote from: Azzerae on May 09, 2018, 01:07:04 PM
All of your points make perfect sense! I'm just bitter because he's not Art Bell. Ugh.

Ya know, maybe I'm not as diehard a fan as others, because I'm kinda over the "X person isn't Art Bell" thing. I think I became disenchanted with him more and more through each quittening and the questionable bullshit that followed - especially after seeing so many people step up and invest time and resources into helping him build an audience he would soon abandon. It also seems he wasn't a great human being in his private life (not that anyone is perfect, but it does take some of the magic away when someone is placed on a pedestal by so many).

There is still the magic of his older shows. And now there's no reason to hope for a comeback and be let down. We can all grieve, get closure, and move on. Should only take about 3 to 5 years tops. Let your employers know you will be taking your bereavement leave indefinitely.

Quote from: Christ on a Bike on May 09, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
+1

Also that god awful fake sounding laugh and her cat. I mean, who honestly cares?

Does anyone have the 10 minute (or whatever it was) audio file that someone made that was just clips of Heather laughing? That was some disturbing shit.

Quote from: ponyboysunset on May 09, 2018, 11:56:28 AM
I think he meant our dog, that is now dead and was alive in 1987. But what the fuck pee on our Belgian sheep dog means I'll never know. I'm not that hip to the drug culture. LOL

Ya know, when it is time to let our dogs out I tell my husband, "I'm going to pee our Australian shepherd."

I hope that Paul and Ella have some kind of guardian to keep an eye on them. I question their ability to communicate and make financial decisions like sending gifts to a complete stranger who has shown signs of being unstable.

Quote from: Azzerae on May 09, 2018, 07:09:35 AM
Hey Pony, yeah, I totally get where you're coming from. You've always seemed authentic to me in your opinions, I was just wondering why everyone has been so accepting of Dave. I guess I'm just not that much of a fan (yet). But I aknowledge that he's aeons better than Heather ever could hope to be.

You're just not a hateful person, I guess. Its not in your nature to be ... I just see some of the people that were hurling such innovative vitriol at Heather have quietened down and I miss reading it.

Reasons I like Dave so far:

1. He doesn't put on a stupid voice.

2. He sounds upfront and genuine. He was open, sharing personal stories and being frank about what happened without badmouthing anyone. Classy.

3. He's a proven hard worker and reliable (based on what I read about his track record).

4. He proved that he can gracefully take criticism without melting down.

5. He doesn't require 2 weeks worth of shows that are nothing but fake sobbing to get started.

6. He asked good questions and overall conducted an engaging interview.

Bonus: He acknowledged Bellgab's existence and even participated in the forum discussion.

It's still early, so I don't know if my opinion will change. This is how I feel right now. And maybe he had it easier because Heather set the bar so low, but either way, I see him as a positive asset for the show that has tons of potential to take it where it should have gone when it started (EDIT: Meaning after Art left).

Quote from: ponyboysunset on May 09, 2018, 06:01:14 AM
All,
I tweeted Roland about the missing show. Hopefully we get it soon! Oh and there is a MITD Art Bell fan page with tons of gabbers.
It's Fans of Art Bell and MITD hosted by Dave Schrader. If you do the facebook thing do this group!
Incoming screen shot. This is the kind of thing that goes!

I applied and didn't get asked stupid questions! Yay! Maybe this time I will manage to not get banned.   :

Quote from: SnapT on May 08, 2018, 07:30:09 PM
LIVE NOW: Falkie's final show is a humdinger featuring a special guest...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hubKjZlS-Q

He sure sounds serious in the video description. And he's calling you out, White Crow.

Quote from: 69CheckMate on May 08, 2018, 07:28:07 PM
Would that be pronounced psycho-fans, or sicko-pants?

They are interchangeable in this case. 

Quote from: ItsOver on May 08, 2018, 07:06:24 PM
Are we still talking about Yorkshire pudding recipes?

Keep grinding the meat.

Quote from: ponyboysunset on May 08, 2018, 07:02:00 PM
I am confused too. As his wife is 36 so really not a young girl. Try again whoever made that. Lol.

As someone who is also 36, I can confirm that I am in fact a grown ass woman. Definitely not a young girl anymore.  :

Quote from: WildCard on May 08, 2018, 06:58:50 PM


i don't get it?

Sooo.. Art Bell looked at Heather, threw his hands into the air and said "I guess I'll die."?

Quote from: 21st Century Man on May 08, 2018, 06:28:48 PM
Dave Schrader is good friends with Dark so I imagine he will be on his show.  I don't know about any drama concerning him.  He is based out of New Orleans and likes to podcast spooky stories involving Dogman, Bigfoot, ghosts and the like.

He had some run in with Vic Cundiff from Dogman Encounters a long while back. I was just an observer on the sidelines, but I was put off by the way Dark Waters handled it. I recall Vic backing off and moving on while DW took a much more aggressive stance. Don't recall all the dirty details, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. For all I know, he and Vic may have kissed and made up at this point. I just didn't feel too interested in checking out more of DW after that.

Quote from: WildCard on May 08, 2018, 06:21:11 PM
who the hell is dark waters? did wad have him as a guest?

He is a YouTube personality. And I have seen him cause drama with other podcasters/communities that were completely unrelated to HW, Art Bell, or Bellgab which is why I generally avoid him like the plague.