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If you meant genuinely caring about his audience as far as doing his best to put out a great program, I agree. 

If you meant respecting and genuinely caring about his audience as individuals, I'm not so sure about that.

The First one is what i meant.


Well just the qualitative difference between an Art show and a norry show for starters.

 i can probably run down a whole litany of things but don't have the time for right now. C2C fans know what i'm talking about.

Just like he confirmed the reports? aka sending Tommy and Jimmy Church to Google.


The specials Art Bell song he had created? That was at least non intentionally funny, because of how bad it was.

George acting upset was over the top. It was an absurd farce. I think know is generally grateful that Art created the show, so he should stick to his feelings based on that, its believable.

Diddo on George's exaggerated reaction when reporting Art's death. How can one have such a reaction for someone he even admits "weren't that close". It was obvious Noory was overacting to show his "beloved" audience just how a caring person he really is, even for someone who dared to criticize him (rightly so) in the past. Another reason for his reaction is noory trying to be like his great idol Kronkite, when he showed emotion over JFK's passing and breaking that over the air, but was 10 times more professional, and spared us the "i'm trying to keep my composure folks". Jeez George, can you keep it real at least once in your life?'

Another whopper was Tommee saying that Both Bell and Norry cared about their audience. You are only half right, tommee, or actually, i'll give you 3 quarters correct. WHile Bell did genuinely care about his audience, George only cares about his audience insofar as how much money he can make off of them, but nothing else!

Connie Willis asks her guest how he got into Bigfoot research. Guest tells her 'I had my first experience with a Bigfoot as a young man.' 

'I trembled with fear and I must admit some excitement as his large hairy hand reached out to caress the bare skin of my forearm. I was a shy kid and had not been intimate with anyone, other than with Coach Wolinksky that one time possibly but he had said he was only teaching me how to self examine my testicles for early signs of cancer. The Bigfoot grunted softly taking my hand in his nodding his head in a forward direction. I don't know why but I didn't resist. He led me through a small clearing in the woods where I saw some kind of home, more like a hut made of mud and leaves with a doorway. He pulled me through the doorway, my heart was now beating very fast. There on the floor was a bed made of old rags and clothing Bigfoot must have collected.'

are you serious, that's what the "guest" said?

I think they have to get rid of Connie Willis.. if this is the calibur of so-called guests she is providing. She really is a naive and foolish one. And, why would they approve such a show. As JOrch would say.. Jeezzzz!

As I recall, there was a lot of stress.  They even played the "He gets it" episode on Somewhere in Time.  His sales team was stressing out.  They blocked guests who were appearing with Art.

The ONLY thing Snoory has on Art Bell is that he shows up to work.  No big drama, just dumb as fuck.

Yup... I find that totally believable. THere's no way Noory/premiere would be "fine" with Art going head to head with them.. They know in any such situation (which sadly will never happen again) all the serious minded Coast listeners with an ounce of intelligence would jump ship and listen again to Bell, while all the brainless/geriatric listeners who number in the dozens and who always open their phonecalls with "George it is an honor to talk to you; I love your show!", they'd stay with Snoory. Which one do you think would come out on top in that situation, that is if Art was able to continue his show for at least a year?

And also George, can you cut out leaving your show early and playing your Telltale Heart rendition? it's obvious you have no passion for what you do.

George Noory Sucks.

He is either naive to understanding how to make GREAT radio .. how to shift away from the advertising and just do real good radio.
Or he is breathing a sigh of relief that the anchor won't weigh him down anymore. No more coming back rumors for his competition.

Jorch must have really been scared silly when Art launched his Dark Matter radio program back in the fall of 2013. Does anyone remember whether Dark Matter went Head to HEad with Coast and how Coast did ratings wise during those couple of months when Dark Matter was on the air?

RIP Art Bell

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: December 07, 2017, 02:59:27 AM »
Joorch perfectly skewered by Bob Berman last night. You knew it was coming, of course, and we didn't have to wait long.

'This is what I don't get, Bob. I have talked to physicists. You can count them on your toes and your fingers [so a maximum of ten then, Joorch, if we allow thumbs to be included?]. So many. I do not understand when they talk about The Big Bang, or how the universe started thirteen-and-a-half, fourteen billion years ago, I don't get what was before that. I don't get it.'

Berman responded that this was a question a student would occasionally ask when he was teaching - which brought Noory's reasoning down to an appropriate age and intellectual level, I thought. In essence, Berman gave the obvious answer that so far we have no answer to the question of what preceded the Big Bang. The big problem, he said, is that there was no time before then. And here was the moment. He said:

'Your question is meaningless.'


This should be played on a loop throughout all Joorch's interviews.


Later, we had the return of a familiar Nooryism:

'Bob, I've made it a personal pilgrimage on this show to attempt to get legislators to listen and get something done to protect our power grid.'

I think this is the third time I've heard him talk about a 'personal pilgrimage' when he means no such thing. 'Campaign', perhaps. Once again, it is quite stunning that he can get to his age and not understand what a pilgrimage is.

I've stopped listening altogether about a week ago -- just couldn't stand Norry anymore.

I still visit the forum sometimes for the occasional laugh. Above quote is a gem -- thanks for the updates. 

I think Jorch is just semi-retarded, and i mean that in a good way, because he's clearly a high-achieving retard. But he doesn't know it himself.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: December 01, 2017, 10:36:38 PM »
Last night Norry waxed emotionally about he is always there for listeners, over the holidays, etc. "No tapes, no tapes indeed." Then he played a tape of Jim Nabors and just the other night he played a tape of that fake auto accident where some old ladies beat a driver with their purses and Bibles. A couple weeks or so ago he replayed the tape of some Edgar Allen Poe story.

That fake auto-accident tape he keeps playing is so damn obnoxious on the ears. First off it's hard to even understand the guy on the tape because of his course laughter every 3 seconds. Where Jorch and Fat Tommee scrounged it up, and why they think this is so funny is a mystery. It proves one thing though -- Norry doesn't have a sense of humor. Can you imagine him doing a stand-up act?

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 29, 2017, 07:11:29 AM »
Well, Mike, I didn't mean to avoid three of your questions.  There is just so much room for disagreement on this topic.  I try to go for whatever is funniest, most passionate or easy to support.  Maybe I didnt have strong feelings about your questions - i really dont know and this tablet is too small to see them at the moment.

For instance, some people might not respond to your concern about Wallach not being a doctor... simply because where I live, a naturopath IS a doctor, and is respected more than a doctor, especially by women.  I have known several naturopaths personally.   The whole argument about the professional label would seem retarded to me.  I was just raised differently, in a different paradigm.  Kind of like I wouldn't argue if someone said oranges are blue - it wouldnt even make sense for me to get involved in that part of a discussion because it would seem irrelevant.

From the shows I listened to, selenium was clearly the mystery mineral.  That was very meaningful to me because selenium helps lots of things.  But, like you say, it sounds like there are other things he keeps as a mystery.

The reason he lists all the nutrients is because he cares about people.  The reason he sells specialized formulas is because shoppers with that kind of money don't want to make their own formulas.  They can buy tasty, portion controlled versions right from Wallach, so it's more convenient.  Because those kind of shoppers usually are well employed, and dont have time to mess around with homemade formulations or hodge-podge assortments.  From Wallach, they can get compatible paks, without paying for redundancy.  I dont know how much you have used or shopped for vitamins, but it can be very frustrating.  Sometimes, calcium comes with magnesium and zinc, sometimes it doesnt.  Should you then subtract magnesium and zinc from your regular multi-vitamin?  Quandries like that.  Dealing with simples and compounds, trying to piece it all together without specialized equipment.  There are people who actually stuff their own gel tabs! They are sold at health food stores.

Plus, Wallach's products are easily absorbed (presumably), easy to take, and probably seasoned to taste.

It's kind of like how someone can get their cosmetics or tools in a haphazard fashion (as I do), or they can buy a big set, complete from the factory.  A complete set might provide uniform coverage, uniform strength, and be nicely packaged and easy to store.  Where, a hodge podge might be more versatile, but messier, with a variety of labels making the whole set more confusing.

Wallach works in alternative medicine.  They don't care as much about patents and proprietary stuff, like Capitalist-mentality companies.  Many alternative medicine providers are kind of anti-patent.  Or would like a more consumer friendly patent system.  If he gives away lists of nutrients, that could be why.  Alternative providers tend to be more open and educational. He doesn't rely on traditional obsfucation to make a profit.  But, he presumably wants to make a profit, so he does guard some of his knowledge.  He profits from his skill and ability to "put it altogether" for consumers because, like you said, people can overdose on vitamins, and also because some busy people just don't want to take the time to make their own portions.

Vitamins and minerals are expensive.  It would be easy for a working class person to justify paying more for expertise.  "Ah, they already cost a lot.  What's a little more for good service...". I don't know what Wallach charges, but if the add-on amount over generic vitamins is below a certain ratio, it could be easily justified.

Nutritional health takes time.  It's not like a rehular prescription.  I've heard it can take the better part of a year before curing a condition.  I took an alternative homeopathic remedy for a couple years before I finally cured the condition.  But the condition was truly cured, for over ten years.  If I had gone to a regular doctor, I'd still be shelling out for a prescription.

Jojo, really, it's fine with me that you prefer naturopathic approaches to medicine and healthcare. My argument never was against those who solely practice naturopathy or holistic medicine, or at least those who have the gumption to practice it honestly (and I'm sure you can say the same about MD's in our healthcare system; many MD's are quacks quite frankly who don't take their oath of practicing medicine seriously or justly. But then again, there are a multitude who are good MD healthcare practitioners).  I am fine with it myself actually, i do believe good nutrition is a key to staying healthy. I take 50-75mg of zinc supplements per day, among others, to support my virility/natural testosterone levels/ and prostate health as one example. But I also believe they do have their limitations. Practicing good nutrition; as good or as beneficial as it may be, however, cannot perform miracle work in terms of preventing or even reversing many diseases. There is just no evidence-based scientific study to support that premise. For example, many diseases are hereditary or genetic (which Wallach totally ignores), and practicing good nutrition by itself cannot help treat these to the point that they are "reversed" (as Wallach likes to say, instead of what I presume he'd really like to say, "cured"). 

So taking that into account, my problem is solely with Wallach; his arrogance and dishonesty about the way he goes about it. He may have some sound advice here or there, but overall he presents his "nutritional deficiency" claim as the end all, be all of what causes nearly every, if not all diseases, which is simply not true. He tells people by buying his products that they can "reverse" their ailments, some very serious ones, by partaking in his supplementation program... but only if you buy the supplements from him and his company. Supplementation cannot perform miracles. Forgive me for not quoting him for examples (i simply don't have the time right now), but anyone who's listened to 4 or 5 of his radio shows with Norry will know exactly the type of incredible claims he makes. And all of this is done, in my opinion, to either impress or scare a listener into buying his products. I just don't like people who do that sort of thing. It's unethical and extremely deceptive (and again i'm only talking about Wallach and those who preach similarly like he does).

Anyway, just another thing.. i read a post earlier where you said medical errors are 3rd leading cause of death or something like that. Then I read one of HWGA's post where he quoted Wallach as saying something like if everyone stopped seeing their doctor and instead saw an AIDS infected drug dealer on the streets, you'd be better off (because medical errors are 3rd leading cause of death" etc. Well let's put that statement into context -- if everyone who has a doctor (and just about every American has a PCP) stopped seeing their doctors and instead consulted with disease-ridden drug-dealers for their healthcare, i can very much assure you that diseased-ridden dope-dealers peddling their drugs and "advice" to Americans would be the #1 leading cause of death in America, surpassing all other causes by a wide margin. So just consider that. And again, not saying you said that, but Wallach was quoted as saying such a despicable statement that i find reprehensible if you ask me, and he said such lunacy as part of his overall deception to get people to purchase his products! What kind of person does that?!? It's not right.

Anyway, that's the way i feel. And, hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. :)

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 06:16:56 PM »
Kind of like where there were 20 Saddam Husseins.  Come to think of it wasn't their a George Noory who was arrested?

The resemblance is uncanny!

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 05:35:51 PM »
Here's a scary thought.  Maybe there's more than one Noory.

That is a scary thought. Maybe the CIA has a dozen Jorch Noory's running around.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 05:13:08 PM »
Proof norry wears a toupee:

Especially compare 2nd bottom left pic to the last pic on bottom row!

He also must spend a small fortune a year on Just for Men hair coloring products.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 04:40:08 PM »
That's some high dollar suckage.  Throw in his Gaiam crap, wacko conventions, Doc Wallet kickbacks, and the $11.76 profit from his books and Jorch is riding the gravy train.

LOL -- $11.76 for his "books"... sounds about right.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 04:37:16 PM »
There's always the LMH bumpers.  It'll be interesting to see if Jorch and Tommee back-off tonight on their not-so-subtle eye-rollers.

Lol, we'll have to see.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 04:35:49 PM »
And head company iHateMedia, Inc is serious in debt, hemorrhaging cash, and selling off assets. Yet they pay Norry so much for, basically, showing up? Crazy and a bit sad considering how many people work far harder jobs for far less and actually do more than simply showing up. Add his salary along with his side-gigs of "big events," whatever multilevel marketing scheme he has going with Critical Health News, and his internet "tv show" it would seem Norry is doing pretty well.

Those "side-gigs" probably push his annual salary to nearly $1 million if i had to take a guess. You're right, no telling how many kickbacks he is getting from his snake-oil partner, Vet Wallach/critical"healthnews". And who knows how much he is paid for "Beyond Bleeef" and "events" set up by Fatty Dumbheiser. And gosh, just to show up with that doofus face of his and toupee head... simply cringeworthy just thinking about it. Noory is the reason our economy ain't doing so hot.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 04:12:34 PM »
By the math, considering the lack of any real show prep, it would mean that George's pay when averaged out is about $800 bucks an hour to let someone babble and all he has to do is occasionally interject a index card question. His job in that sense is more far more cush than a well payed attorney or psychiatrist as he doesn't really need to think.

I think your math is accurate. Jorch is paid $500,000 a year from Premiere. That means: $2000 for 2 and 1/2 hours a night = $10,000 a week; $40,000 per month, which then come to roughly $480,000 a year -- which Premiere then rounds out to an even $500,000 for the year.

Spot on Dyna-X.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 03:58:30 PM »
Ok, that explains it. When I listen the bumpers and commercials are editted out so the "well it sure is" seems non referential. No surprise he ripped off Art. Norry bragging about how much he works is ridiculous. As is his desire to be praised for working holidays. They way he describes an holiday with his family makes it seem like a chore and something he "has to do" but "he is out of there" as quickly as possible. I think he also doesn't like being taken away from what he thinks is his Hollywood star lifestyle in LA.

Right. In his mind, doing a radio show in LA and an internet-only tv show makes him some sort of hollywood celebrity.

Hmm... given all the sexual harassment claims against Celebrities and newscasters dominating the media now, it would be a good thing for several women (well not good for the women) if they came forward accusing Jorch of sexual harassment. That would finally be a sure way to knock Norry off the air for good. Premiere Network would have no choice but to can his sorry ass. For the women at least, their humiliation and sacrifice would not be in vain.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 03:35:35 PM »
Also, why the hell did Jorch wish everyone here a happy thanksgiving last thursday when Thanksgiving is this Thursday? Did his currently deteriorating mind skip a week?

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 03:29:54 PM »
Last night Norry again was bragging and self-congratulatory about him working on holidays, unlike other show hosts. He also said he invites people without families over for Thanksgiving dinner but then "he is out of there" and "his daughters clean up." It was funny though when he wished some callers 'happy Thanksgiving" and what their plans were. Callers were certainly not seeming happy about the holiday and had limited plans and no excitement.

He also did his trademark "Well it sure is with -insert guest name-" Sure is WHAT, Norry?

I think it's the deep voice-over guy when they come back from break who says "This is coast to coast am, with George Norry", then Jorch goes "it sure is...". Art bell used to do this often, but i haven't really heard norry do this until i read your post. So i guess add that to the list off things he's ripped off of Art, even if it is seemingly a little thing. THere is nothing original about Norry.

Jorch is full of crap.. he takes most friday's off to enjoy himself a nice three day weekend but still contends to the audience that he "never takes a day off". So, please Jorch, don't give me that crap about working on holidays. Plus you're job is a nightjob anyway where you're on the air for 2 and a half hours excluding commercials. Most folk are done with their turkey dinner by 10 pm. And i don't want to hear your bogus "8 hour preparatory work". Are you that slow it takes you 8 hours to come up with a dozen middle-school questions for your guests? Lets not pretend you do research either.. Fat Tommee and your other staff will have that all done for your lazy butt.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 19, 2017, 12:28:02 AM »
Okay well, peace.

Just my 2 cents, that's all. If you look at it differently then fine. Everyone's entitled to view it as they see fit.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 19, 2017, 12:05:26 AM »
When i heard this story the first time, i got the same impression as you.  Speed dating and stick 'em with the tab.  Bec he has told the story with such vehemence. But, actually he did pay the tab and wind it down.  He just didnt end on a friendly note or walk out with her.

People over-state themselves when they are emotional.  Like she overstated not wanting pets, when she was meeting a someone for the first time and "defenses" were high (let alone meeting a celebrity!).

Similarly, George's defenses were high meeting a new lady, I theorize.  So, he over-reacted, not realizing she was simply being emphatic out of stiff "defenses".

But dating is more than about pairing up.  Its about meeting people, being aquainted with them, knowing they have sisters and other female friends you might like... increasing your social circle.  After all, you might know a guy friend who hates animals too, and you could refer him to her.  That's just my opinion.  But maybe in big metro areas, the focus is simply on mating, and not socializing.

I was the victim of such a covert "speed date" once.  It was insulting, because I have more to offer than just mating.  I have friends, connections, people... and if the date had spent the time on a small date to build rapport with me, they might have found one of my friends to their liking.  But, I didn't object out loud; I just said nice to meet you, no problem.  But I didn't respect the person!  I mean, how much time is really lost on a short dinner or drink?  You have to eat anyhow, and you know the person took the time to dress...

It takes many interactions over the course of time to get to know someone.  Attractions can build just fine over time, even if they dont start fast.  Unless the goals are superficial, like body worship.  So, since it takes time to get to know someone, if a date has stringent, clear deal-breakers criteria, it might be best to screen for them while in the mode of friendship, or in the mode of starting the acquaintence... rather than go to all the trouble and expense of dressing up.  Of course, if you screen for deal breakers before asking someone out, that too can be insulting, so best to be tactful.  Like, havent most women been asked by an attentive new guy, if she has children.... before he even asks anything else!  Big no-no!  And so silly over 40!  I'da like to snap back sometimes, "If I do, they would be out of the nest, Stupid!"

Who wants to start a relationships thread?

This reminds me of a job I had once.  At an extremely busy time, a nasty waiting customer said to me, "Why don't you do something".  So I did.  I walked out the door.  So SWEET!  HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

If George said he paid for the tab like you say, then i stand corrected.  Yes, he over-reacted, an understatement according to how he tells the story if the person he was dating was friendly but just made one comment that he highly disagreed or was seemingly offended by.

I agree w/ you that dating should be more about social interactions and not just about if the 2 people involved hit it off or not on an intimate level. People expect that intimate connection to spark on the first date which is probably not the case in a lot of situations, which is most likely why dating sites don't have such a high success rate (at least i don't think, i'd have to check the stats). I think it's a difficult thing, because people have little patience these days. Dating sites pit 2 strangers (even if they do send e-mails back and forth beforehand) with each other on the very first date, as opposed to, I'll say, dating the "natural way" where people meet in group-friend type settings, or, it could be in any group setting like churches, schools, work-places etc.. where people meet on common ground and get to know each other before going on that first date.  The friendship mode or dating mode can be quickly ascertained with the latter. Or 2 people start out as friends for awhile, and then decide whether they want to date or not.

Hmm.. risky thing to do on the job,,, did anything end up happening because of your "walk-out"? lol

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 10:13:13 AM »
i did some research (quick interwebs search) to answer a question that I've had for years: why can't Burkee Water Filters ship to Iowa? The reason is Iowa has some law that any filter for human use needs to be tested by a lab of the state's choosing.

Norry got sorta creepy with tech expert when sex doll robots was brought up. Norry imagined  the robot saying "buy me a Chanel purse." Implying that sex, even between human and robot, entails some kind of financial consideration.

With Noory, of course it does. Everything with him is about money, and it wouldn't surprise me if he bought his dates extravagant gifts in the past to get in their pants.

Remember that story he keeps telling, the one where he went on a date and took her to dinner. He says his date said that she "didn't like cats or dogs", so Norry then claims he got up and left the restaurant right after she said that, leaving her with the tab. I highly doubt the truth of that story...  what kind of ass just gets up and leaves because their date says they don't like pets? It's not so uncommon either, some people don't prefer pets.. you would think she said something like "i'm into orgies" or something. If you're offended, at least finish the dinner out and then break it off.

I believe Norry says it to show how "moral and decent" he is to listeners. But, yet, he is none of those things.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:55:50 AM »
Howard Bloom mentioned being picked up by three murderers, or something. He said it 'scared the......everything..out of me.'
Joorch adds, 'The begeebies, as we would say.'
Really, Joorch? Who is we? The experience might give you the 'heebie geebies', and scare the 'bejeezus' it the 'begeebus' out of you, but I don't know anyone who says 'the begeebies.'

If you want to contribute to Thanksgiving, Gnoory, stay off the air.  And there should be an apostrophe in 'its'. 'Hope it's a good one.'

Agreed NMN, Jorch sucks. Perhaps a kindergardener who is still learning would say "begeebies" instead of "bejeezus". But so does Jorch!

Also...  Everyone knows BLoom would say "sh*t" in that situation, but "no cursing" norry throws in his own lame substitute and acts like he speaks for everyone.

I noticed that too in his post!

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:35:18 AM »
Whose responsibility is it to air disclaimers, the network or individual stations? The station I listen to airs disclaimers at least every hour, and even adds a special extra medical disclaimer when Wallach,Fuchs etc are on. Maybe contact your stations PD to express your concerns. Mention that you've heard other c2c affiliates air disclaimers and that it might be in their best interest to do so.

Normally the network should, but i see some stations air it, thanks for that clip. The station i listen to in pensicola, FL does not air any such disclaimer. I will contact them along with premier network.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:18:51 AM »
I am not on staff!  But I listen to the radio program, and I'm 99% sure George said that program is not paid. Yes, I see quid pro quo, but that doesn't mean it is contracted.  On those nights, the doctor gets some press (as do many causes on Coast), George gets to glide a couple hours, and some perceptive listeners glean a little knowledge.  But I dont think it is gainful for anyone.  To a program that airs almost 80 hours a month, what's a couple hours here or there?  Kind of like a fulltime workforce member volunteering 4 hours a week or month.  It is insubstantial compared to the number of hojrs they put in overall.  Palms are greased all over the business world and pharmaceutical world as a routine matter of course.  As long as the value doesnt exceed a certain amount, this type of social grace is part of our culture.

I read the title and much of the chapter before work today.  It seemed to be about product packaging.  I didnt see anything about radio.  BTW, I have never heard the doctor insult people who disagree with him?

I understand you have concerns, no problem.  But for about a year, HWGA seems to be inciting riots!  HWGA has more credibility lately, but typically HWGA has twisted facts.  And I'm tired of doing my own research after reading those posts, only to find that HWGA was deliberately misleading.

I think there is enough suckage to go around, without HWGA using spurious statements!

How can anyone listen to a show about conspiracies and aliens, and get upset about a little free nutritional advice!  The doctor reminds me to take my vitamin, to eat wholesome food, and to be mindful about it.  I've been around a long time, and you pick up wisdom in life.  I have been reading herbals since 1988.  And nearly everything Dr. Wallach says rings true with ms.

I do have criticisms of those shows, but more with George than with the doctor.  For instance, George for a while made a point to try to get callers' heights in addition to their weights, which is not medically sound.  Doctors prescribe supplements by weight, not by height-weight-proportions!  The doctor has been too nice to correct George.

Of course, generally height should be taken into consideration with weight, to tell if a person is obese.  But not for prescribing supplements.  Also, if a weight is very low, like close to 100lbs for a woman or 120lbs for a man, then heighti should be obtained in order to probe for anorexia or bulimia, because all the supplements in the world might not help if they are not absorbed.

There is enough suckage already, without haranging a nutritionist. If one listens carefully time after time, one can piece together a lot of the doctor's angle, without paying a cent for any product.  Sometimes he is mysterious or withholding, bdcause he has to make a living.  But, when heard over time, his recommendations gradually become quite clear, especially with the help of a little side research.

The same with Glynnis.  Her numerology might sound like hocus pocus, and she talks rapidly (probably to avoid giving away the house).  But, if one listens carefully many times over time, taking fast notes, and referring to her website, she can glimpse her entire theory without paying a cent on her website.  For those who CAN pay, great.  But for those of us who can't, she does disseminate a lot of knowledge for those who are wi!ling to apply themselves.

HWGA makes good points though, that Wallach has breath-taking claims, like he's a master healer. I've heard and read them too. It all points to him trying to sell his products more to gullible folk who will take him at his word. And, because he pays the show for air-time, he has a legitimate grief about C2C dancing around the normal disclaimers that should be aired everytime he's on. Instead, when Wallach or that pharmacist guy is on they pretend they're on the show out of their free-will and just giving their own editorial comments. However, they're on because they have paid C2C for the air time and are on to boost sales of their products to the listeners. I agree with HWGA on those points.

And, a big tell that they're paying for air-time is that normally they'd have George read a 30 second or 1 minute commercial when a break comes up, but there is none of that for Critialheatlhnews. George reads carnivora commericals all the time, but why not criticalhealthnews? Because C2C provides them with 4 hours of air-time a month as part of their commitment with their sponsor Criticalhealthnews.

You're right the height is asked, along with weight, to determine whether the person is obese or not. They factor that in when discussing certain ailments. If the person is obese and Wallach thinks it's a factor in that person's ailment, he'll tell that person to lose weight along with telling him or her to buy his "healthy heart and brain pack".

Wallach may have sound advice from time to time regarding what you should do to be more healthly -- Occasionally, to appear legitimate. But then he throws in these wild claims that destroy his credibility. When i heard for the first time I thought he was reasonable, but over time i became overly suspicious of many of his outlandish claims and did my own research. And what i found is that Wallach has indeed a sordid past, and that people should altogether not take his "advice" or "recommendations" to buy his products, and should really look into the person who's giving these recommendations about medical health.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 01:09:44 AM »
Yeah, his implication was in poor taste.  He should have said "nutritive conditions", not nutritional defect.  Copper/zinc imbalances are very common, and life goes on, so by some standards, the nutrient might not be deficient, just a different balance.  Thats just my opinion, but i feel it is just as accurate while being a heck of a lot more inclusive.

Inversion can be done through a slant table, or even headstands.  It takes pressure off the spine and temporarily increases bloodflow to the spine and affected muscles.  Gravity takes a toll; the inversion allows the sore muscles to relax free of the normal strain and bhilding into a compensating strain.  Gentle swimming also takes a load of a scoliosis patient's back !uscles, too.

Don't you think he should have said "some" as well? Perhaps you should write Wallach and correct him of his mistake.

Have you ever been held upside down? it's uncomfortable as hell. And being suspended for 10-15 minute would be torture. Again, there is no evidence to be found that "upside down" therapy has any effect on patients, other than torturing them for a quarter hour 6 times a day.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 12:37:21 AM »
Dr. Wallach knows which subtances are harmful to fetuses and nursing children.  He asks women all the time if they are nursing.

Two of the high up administrators of the FDA have publically bemoaned that the agency is a hazard to citizens because it caters to Big Pharma.  Staff there has complained they are expected to alter study results, in favor of Big Pharma

One of the high up administrators insinuated he could be murdered for speaking out.

Hard to trust an agency that outlaws marijuana, but permits THC.  They just want Big Parma to be able to patent THC methods.

2 high up administrators? in an agency of how many administrators?

stop re-directing and answer if you think it is in fact true that most, if not all disease is caused by nutritional deficiency which "Doc" wallach claims.

If no answer, then it is pointless to continue any more discussion with you on this matter.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 12:26:26 AM »
Scoliolisis worsens over a lifetime in part because of gravity.  So, inversion would help.

If some people are gay because of nutritive conditions in the womb, that would explain why so many families have more than one gay child.  Same mom, same diet.

There is no evidence (that i can find) to support that inversion does anything for the patient, other than make them extremely uncomfortable. And, how would it help? Does Wallach claim the spine straigtens itself out while being hung upside down like some lab rat?

Wallach didn't say "some", he implied "all"  homosexuality by saying de facto that "homosexuality is caused by a nutritional deficiency..."

By the way, have you ever noted that quack Joel Wallach can tie just about every single condition to some "nutrient or mineral deficiency" caused in the womb? That point, correct me if I'm wrong from what I heard and recorded, is mirrored on the "Coast" program from one Ben Fuchs and one Joanne Conaway?

Ever read the labeling on products that "criticalhealthnews(dot)com" sells? What you never hear on the radio program? Take a look at the fine print. A number of products state: "This product is not to be taken by pregnant or nursing women." Huh? Which is it?

So, let's say some woman calls in that is pregnant, or maybe nursing, and is never warned that a number of products sold by that site may cause birth defects, or affect an infant adversely through breast feeding? But may be hearing these supplements, instead, will benefit an embryo or even an infant?

Excuse me, I read the labels of these products, and some state great a pregnant or nursing women should not take them. Odd how such "totally safe" supplements can cause birth defects? Not so "safe," huh? But you never hear that on the radio program. Great to set up the network, the program and all involved for bogus medical advice and perhaps for a major lawsuit. 

Hey, anything that alters your body chemistry carries risks. You never hear that on the program. Instead, you hear how these people want to become your "medical professional," yet seem to not want to take any of legal responsibility for being "under their care." And how if something is "all natural," it must be good for you. Rubbish.

The worst toxins, poisons, venoms, bacteria, viruses, diseases and plagues are "all natural." That's why we needed to create pharmaceutical drugs to save lives and advance lifespans, for reasons also attributed to things "made by nature." Petroleum oil, for example, is "all natural" and "made by nature." Does that means if we drink it, it's good for us?

The horrific "Black Plague" that killed off half of Europe centuries ago was "all natural." Does that mean we want to return to those days? I see. Do away with such drugs as penicillin from the evil "Big Pharma" and you'll be better off?  These hucksters would have fools think that, as the latter never question what that rubbish they hear the former advance as "medical truth."

Their day is coming, all, when they are called to task for trying to "dance around" wanting all the money people pay them for 'their care," yet want none of the responsibility for negligence or malpractice for any and all damages said "caretakers" may be inflicting on the gullible, ignorant or desperate suckers they prey on like the vultures they are.

All good points.

On Wallach's last program, on 11/8, he claimed homosexuality is "not a choice" and was caused by a "nutritional deficiency of the mother's womb during pregnancy."

How's that for outlandish?

I also looked up treatments for scoliosis, and none involve "hanging someone upside down on an inversion table 3-4 times a day for about 15 minutes each time." I was blown away when i heard him say that.. I can tell even George was somewhat shocked at first, but then quickly went into "whatever you say, Doc!" mode.

The main treatment, without surgery, is fitting a scoliosis patient with a special back brace to prevent further curvature of the spine.

I swear, Wallach will get into major trouble one day spewing this nonsense. And not just Wallach, but C2C as well.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 17, 2017, 11:57:55 PM »
But if i said i watched the video, that would be a false statement!  My eyes weren't even on that tab!

Maybe i just heard Wells when he was tired near the end of shows or something. I agree he has a relaxed style.

Ok i can agree with that.

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