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What happened to c crane for my 70 dollar tape recorder needs?

Aww sheettt he just busted out the pole shift

Pits safe unless you buy the bullshit hewasjust spewing..

How does this theory account for the shadow people?

The math is the math is the math....he's convinced me and anyone who would doubt that explanation is a fool!

Quote from: saucerlike on July 23, 2015, 10:41:17 PM
The worst thing Art could do is tell people to look this guy up.  I did and it's pretty much what expected.

That impressive huh?

A mini black hole in every proton?  That's a lot of black holes.

Quote from: Redwolf on November 12, 2013, 10:17:46 PM
Very happy to help in anyway possible and I have just asked my atty friend to weigh in on if he can help in 'reality' and he said that he can if it can be filed in California or if it is filed in federal district court. He would most likely look at it as a favor to me or he can pass along the numbers of other colleagues that can help it move along. The thought that it will cost 10's of thousands of dollars is not factual at all...a deal can be stuck that would be confidential between Mr. Bell and his atty (they will set the cost of the fees together). It can be arranged in many ways based on client atty privilege between Art and his atty.

I am glad that this info has it has helped perk up some of the spirits here as I am with all of you who would love nothing more than to see the TRUE King return to his throne!

The law is definitely on Art's side and just because sxm is a HUGE company doesn't mean it can ignore litigation or a court ruling...they have to play the game too...and their game is a bluff...6 months at best (in the words of my trusted friend).

Art most likely knows more people in the 'biz' than I do and has no doubt already been given this advice from his trusted circle...hence him saying he will try to get released from his NC.

I have faith in Art!

Sorry, but six months is nothing for any contested civil matter. And 10k is fairly conservative if litigation were involved.

Quote from: samdean on November 12, 2013, 10:10:52 PM
Maybe I completely misread Art's financial situation, but do you really think 10's of thousands of dollars is going to stand in his way.

You know this isn't a complicated matter, requiring months of discovery and thousands of hours.  It is a very simple matter.  Is the clause valid.  Did they give him extra compensation for it.  Is he likely to utilize trade secrets, etc.  It is a few weeks of filing and 1 day hearing and a few weeks waiting for the decision.  Then it is over.

I could see a top entertainment firm taking this for 25K.

I think we can agree that if money isn't an issue he ought to fight it. I'd want to look at tortious with contract against C2C...what exactly were Noory and C2C up to poaching guests and negotiating with Sirius for Art's slot? Pretty shady.

Quote from: shell88 on November 12, 2013, 09:57:43 PM
So what's the bad part about the above quote Stan? I read both positive and negatives into your whole quote.

It boils down to money, and I don't think it's fair to expect Art to risk 10k+ (minimum) to get out of the NC.

I think people are reading too much into his apparent unwillingness to fight it. I would advise him to have an attorney speak with Sirius and see if they are intent on enforcing the clause. If they were, I'd tell him it's probably not worth pursuing unless he either really needs to make money, or if there's an offer awaiting him that won't be there in two years.  Otherwise, it's just not worth fighting, imho.

It is fair to ask Art why the hell he was bent on moving all his assets to the Philippines if he was sooooo committed and serious about DM.

Quote from: tertiaryimam on November 12, 2013, 09:52:41 PM

What does everyone think Sirius's angel on this would be? As in, what benefit would it be to them to hold art to the non-compete so long as he doesn't go head to head with George Noory?

Depends if they're pissed at Art. It looks to me as if they are--not returning his calls, giving a substantially similar deal to Noory, signing up C2C so quickly, putting C2C on his channel during a portion of his slot...  And, it may be justified on their part. It looks to me like Art didn't have his heart in this and then blamed Sirius as a reason to back out of his contract. Why not just quit? Why the need to make Sirius look bad?

But, if they're pissed at Art, it doesn't have to get appealed to waste a year's time before they get to trial. Civil litigation is a slow process and easy to prolong if one side wants to. 

BTW, just because it's understandable that Art wouldn't fight the NC doesn't mean I don't think he's full of shit.

I don't know what the hell was really behind this whole clusterfuck, but a few things stand out:

A) A lot of this comeback was motivated by Art's desire to get back at Premiere and C2C.

B) Art wasn't terribly committed to this.

C) Art isn't too happy the way this has turned out.

D) Noory is full of shit

As an attorney, let me assure you that a competent entertainment lawyer(really a firm)...one that actually gives you a good chance of beating the non compete...is going to cost 10's of thousands of dollars. Of course, maybe Art has an agent (attorney) who's competent in litigation (doubtful but possible)...that might cut costs substantially. But, the point is, fighting a billion dollar + company with a fleet of attorneys on call is not just something you do to prove a point.

As others have mentioned, non compete clauses are not looked on favorably as they are a restraint on person's ability to make a living. They have to be very limited to really hold up, and I have serious doubts whether a court would enforce the clause.

So, don't be so down on Art for not fighting the NC.

So what's Art's move? I'm sure he's not happy going out as Noory's bitch (not to be misogynistic...this is more of the prison bitch sense of being completely dominated by someone else).

Quote from: WhiteCrow on November 12, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Reality check...
Question: So if SXM doesn't take Art back and lets him stream from his site, what his audience?
Answer:   A thousand loyal BellGab fans.

He isn't coming back. It's ova unless he can podcast without breaking his NC clause.

Quote from: Chad Jacobs on November 12, 2013, 02:41:11 PM
Well, going forward Art does have at least ONE powerful card to play.  In two years his non compete expires (even accepting that it is ironclad, something I dispute, and even if it IS that still leaves the possibility of off shore broadcasting). If Sirius, declines to offer something reasonable ie an Independent contract where he can broadcast on Sirius, and stream, then he can make it clear that he will be going with such a plan in two years, possibly head to head against C2C on a rival network such as Cumulus.  Granted Art will be two years older, but I would submit that the Art Bell "brand" has a power unto itself and that even if he only "oversaw" host and guest selection along with other input that it would provide powerful C2C competition that would eventually surpass C2C (unless quality on C2C significantly improves or the rival show(s) under Art couldn't deliver).  One thing is I believe essential if Art is going to stream. Offer an App both in Apple and Android to facilitate streaming of your shows, and back shows (via a free and premium version for the past shows).  Tech, idiots like myself have trouble figuring out how to listen to shows like Ground Zero because I don't want to download old MP3's, I want an App which makes it simple.  Now if he works out a deal with Sirius then he probably won't be able to offer the old shows outside of Sirius, but he can still have a streaming app for Smart Phones and Internet radio devices.

Art isn't going on Sirius again. He isn't going on Premiere. I think he's probably burned all his bridges at this point. ...The only thing to bear in mind is that these radio fights are completely personal and management moves on pretty frequently. So, nothing is totally set in stone.

All I know for sure is that this will go down in infamy as some gangsta-ass shit--old-school radio hardball.  I don't know who tried to fuck whom, but I know who got fucked in the end...Art and DM fans. Art is feeling some payback....who knows if it's deserved.

Also, Noory is full of shit and played Gabcast off like suckers. He pretended he didn't know what was going on, and he clearly is intimately involved with the whole thing. "We didn't poach any guests"...yeah right.

Noory plays the nice guy act pretty damn well.

Wow, I missed a lot while gone. Three theories:

Theory 1)  Art signed with SXM in an attempt to cock block C2C who were trying to resign with SXM, and ended up quitting because he just wasn't that into it.

Theory 2)  Art found out about C2C and SXM being in negotiations, this pissed him off and he used streaming as an excuse to move on.

Theory 3)  Art wasn't that into the new show, quit, regretted the backlash, tried to make SXM out as the bad guy...SXM didn't much care for this and went out and signed C2C, partly as an f-u move and also to fill the slot. Gnoory, obviously, hates Bell and the feeling's mutual.

Quote from: tertiaryimam on November 08, 2013, 09:51:24 PM
Yes. Look it up on youtube.

Really? That's awesome, I'll do it. Don't know how I missed that.

Did Art ever interview Robert Anton Wilson? That would have made for a great interview.

Quote from: MikeJ on November 08, 2013, 09:41:50 PM
I thought they were fine, it is just entertainment after all.  Also, the huuuing was the husband and wife team, not the ghost buster gals.

Oh, sorry, with the improper huuu citation. The husband and wife were kind of a snooze fest for me.

Quote from: PathoJen on November 08, 2013, 09:36:28 PM
I take it no one liked the ghostbuster gals.

They were ok. Podiatrist Leir was grumpy and beyond stupid with his secret frequencies...but even then I guess it kept my attention.  Greer I always find interesting, even if he's kind of a bs artist.

Quote from: urbie88 on November 08, 2013, 09:31:48 PM
Booking Macafee was great. Those ghost buster girls ... Not so much

The Ghostbuster Gals were surprisingly ok, I thought. Yes, the whole thing was ridiculous, but they kept my attention with their huuuu, and their ghost fighting space rock.

Quote from: Bigfoot on November 08, 2013, 07:05:55 PM
I don't think so, I think it was always meant to be a 4 hr show.  There were hopes that he would sometimes extend here and there, but he never did. 

My opinion is that he did it just to see if he still could.  After a few weeks, the novelty wore off. 

A very vocal minority complained about the streaming webapp.  Art took it and blew its severity up in order to use it as grounds for countersuit, should it be needed.  Apparently SXM, in their discretion, essentially gave him a free out of his contract so it wasn't needed after all. 

He could even pay off the NC most likely or even fight it, but he won't.  Face it, shit ain't happening

I'd love to be able to eat my words, however.

This is what I believe as well. Well said. I even agree with the contractual aspects with the streaming...I think he was shielding himself for breach of contract.

Quote from: maren on November 08, 2013, 07:00:40 PM
I believe Art is representing himself honestly -- it's how he views the situation.

So, we should be thanking Art for fighting against those ruthless corporate thugs at Sirius who made him his studio and gave him total creative control? Art bravely fighting the man on behalf of the oppressed underclass of Internet streamers? Art, the new Jesus of radio, martyring himself so that we don't have to listen to truckers call in on cell phones?

Again, I like the guy, he does a great show, but this is too much. I'd be on his side if this wasn't a subscription service where lots of people really have lost money on this.

Quote from: maren on November 08, 2013, 06:57:15 PM
I don't understand why so many feel Art was "looking for a way out".  Do you mean a way out of Sirius, or a way out of broadcasting all together?

I got the sense he was delighted to be back on the air.  And it was initially presented as a 3 hour show, but he had the option to add on another hour.  Every single show was 4 hours long -- I thought he was loving it.

I thought the early shows he was clearly excited, but then he started talking about moving all his assets back to the Philippines. ....and he didn't make any mention about a contingency plan for continuing the show--he just made it clear if there was a default he was outta here.  Considering that had nothing to do with streaming, I was worried he wasn't into the show.

As far as the extra hour--I have a feeling he bit off more than he can chew. It's been a LONG time since he's regularly been doing a show for the majority of the week. That's a completely different lifestyle than retirement. Someone else here mentioned that coming back just for the weekends would make more sense, and I have to agree (even though I'd like him on 7 days a week). Two awesome shows where he was content would be fine by me...certainly better than quitting over streaming.

Quote from: Suzeca on November 08, 2013, 06:48:01 PM
But so what if he was making demands. I wouldnt even call them demands. It was more requests and adjustments. And some of those "demands" were due to feedback he was getting from us.

After reading his posts i dont feel like in any way that he is just out for himself. He's even willing to work for nothing. How is that sellfish?

And ive never paid more than 20.00 for a brand new Xm radio. You can always get a deal especially if u are a new signup. I must have 4 or 5 radios now (yes im a truckdriver).

I also feel like everyone is projecting their own internal views and makeup onto this situation that has more to with them then him. He would be wise to be very care as to what he takes in.

Art can talk, but don't confuse his talk with truth or reality. I don't mean that as harshly as it may read, only that he's spinning it as best as he can. He set up this whole thing, got his fans to come over and buy the crappy satellite radios, sign up for the subscriptions,  and then he quit after 6 weeks.

I get that you like Art, but please don't let him twist this around to make it out as if he's doing us a favor.

Some of you continue to be so gullible.  Art isn't an idiot and he knows they'll never just let him stream. Maybe they'll agree to let him out of the NC clause, but even that's unlikely.

This is all done for your benefit...to appease you. He's used to being a popular guy...beloved at what he does...and he's had that for going on 20 years now. All of the sudden, he's without a show and pissed off the majority of his biggest fans. So, he's going through all stuff. Posting here with his updates. Doing test streams...yes Art you can stream...this has been established since the time when Prodigy and Compuserv ruled the net.

I don't wish Art anything but the best, but this is just nonsense. He should just swallow his pride, admit he messed up, and go back on Sirius if they'll have him. No, as many have pointed out, they won't let him give away the show...but so what, it's still a good show. Even with fewer callers and a smaller base...heck it might even be better.

Quote from: tomski on November 07, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
Mr Art Bell
Your show was swell
Until streaming went to hell

You had a fix
And took a risk
By throwing free shows in the mix

Now Sirius are mad
They think you're bad
And all of your fans are so sad

But I do not blame
Or want to shame
The guy with Art as a name

So just fix it now
Then get Linda Howe
To talk about more of those cows

Fucking cattle mutilations, goddamn you aliens! Stop fucking with our cattle you extraterrestrial dicks!

Quote from: Coz on November 07, 2013, 01:15:16 PM
It's over people... after considering this...

Sirius won't back off.

The only way to deal with it for them is to let Art go and paint him as a loon in quiet whispers. It's the only short term smart move... and corporate weenies are all about short term smart moves.

My conclusion: Stick a fork in.... it's done.

This is probably all about money. Art's original contract depended on splitting profits and the audience draw turned out to be much less than anticipated. He quit citing some nonsense about streaming.

His latest position seems to be that he wants to produce his own show which broadcasts at least over the net, and then contract with Sirius to simulcast and/or rebroadcast the show (presumably for a cut of the profits...however that is determined). This sounds like a syndication deal. If so, Art would then independently sell his show to over-the-air terrestrial broadcasters...essentially getting play on both Satellite and AM.

Why would Sirius go along? Their whole business model (which they created) was/is EXCLUSIVE content...not syndication.  If Art were to get away with this, all their talent would become independent broadcasters and they'd have to restructure their entire multi-billion dollar company. Not going to happen...and I assume Art is well aware of this.

So, the fallback is that Art will finance his own show. Ok, but when? The non-compete would be enforced...so no time soon.

TL;DR Art isn't coming back.