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Jones Technique  #4

    Take a long paragraph, remove 4/5/s of the words and reassemble what is left into a sentence that you then attribute to the person who wrote the original paragraph, only now you have a sentence in which the person says the opposite of what they originally said and appears to be saying something you want to use against the person.

    Twice I looked up the original source and then emailed C2C to clarify for them how Jones had misrepresented something.   This was back when I was dumb enough to think they cared.

    Jones is not the only person to do this sort of thing, obviously.    But he so frequently selectively pieces together information that anyone who thinks about it will find him and his interpretations totally lacking in insight or value.

[quote author] -----but the critical thinking skills to weigh and balance these claims is missing and not to be a paranoid conspiracy theorist myself, but it seems as though they are being cynically and systematically manipulated into a dangerous mob mentality if only to make people like Jones and Wells and their stations rich.
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EXACTLY

I think at one point I believed they might care about misinformation or adding to the culture of  paranoia and fear, but now I think they know that is exactly what they are doing and they do not care because they've tapped a market and must be making money.

It is too bad.   There are some guests who are off the wall a bit or unusual but not extreme and they make for great shows.    But the kind of paranoia and hate and outright misinformation some of these people give should make any decent person shy away from giving them air time.    The irony, of course, is all the patriotism and such they prattle on about when in fact what they are doing is doing great harm to the country's psyche.

Thanks for the correction.    I have not read Communion.   I just heard him some time in the last year say he had recently remembered being raped and it had all just come back to him.    If he mentioned the probe earlier, then I am not sure what he was referring to about just recently remembering a rape.   Hmmm?

Doesn't it drive you nuts when a guest comes on and says he has researched something and then he simply says he read all the books by other guests!    I do not think that simply reading works by other guests counts as research in a meaningful way.      I have not really researched the UFO topic is I read Travis Walton, Whitley Streiber and Richard Dolan and then just repeat what they said.    I guess this is the same world in which Robin Falkov is a doctor.    Jeesh.......

Every system and every party and every event has possible downsides and problems.   So if you pick and issue and predict nothing but bad news and collapse and problems, then at some point you will be correct.

Everyone knows that economics has its ups and downs and rules that get broken and such.    It will always be that way, and so there will always be scandals and problems and mistakes made and arguments about doing things one way or another.     So if every time there is a hitch you predict the worst, you will be right two or three times over the years and wrong fifty times over the two or three years.   

If I put on a blindfold and throw enough darts at the dart board, one is bound eventually to finds the bullseye.   That does not mean I can purposefully hit the bullseye with a blind fold on.

Listen to what this guys says.    It is ALWAYS just a prediction that whatever is going on is bad and doom is around the corner.    This is why I find him useless.   He says nothing but the same thing over and over and over.

What I find most annoying about Streiber is that he is always  "remembering" something new from his experiences.   Usually these memories correspond with a new publication.

I remember recently on C2C he said he recently remembered that he was probed in the backside.    Raped was the term he used.    And so now his whole story supposedly takes on a whole new trauma.

I do not know what happened to this guy to push him over the edge, or whether this whole thing is a joke/fiction he maintains in order to sell his stuff.

Thanks.   I will light "the campfire" and give a listen to one of these gems.

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Now I do feel a little stupid for spending time writing them emails asking them to rethink encouraging such irrational and negative viewpoints.

The show is kind of like "rapid-grow" for paranoids, the irony being the number of shows they have on how negative thinking and such is harmful.

I have mainly heard the newer version of C2C.    Is there one classic Art Bell show that to many people captures the magic so many of his fans say was a part of his show?    Is it perhaps available on Youtube or some internet site?   I am interested primarily because some people have commented that these shows are worth listening to more than once.    I am curious.

I have heard a few of his shows but mainly the ones after the death of his first wife; some were good but some (like Strieber and EVP shows) really did not seem much different from the shows these days.


Thanks,  j

I too get scared about the number of people who believe this stuff whole heartedly.

I was talking with an acquaintance of mine from whom I bought my car.   We got talking about guns and he said he seriously thinks that the federal government is close to mandating a "take-away" program whereby police agencies would be tasked with going door to door and taking away firearms.   He really believes the local police will soon be walking around the county forcefully taking everyone's guns.

He is also convinced that the federal government is now planning to buy all the ammo produced each year so that if they can not control guns they can create a situation where no one has any bullets.    My neighbor believes this is likely.

I do not know what has happened that has caused so many people in society to gravitate to these extreme and unlikely points of view?   Maybe people just feel their world is so out of their control that anything is reasonable.

I've sent a lot of emails this last year to George and Lisa complaining about inaccuracies and what I fear is the harm from fear mongering.

Once, Lisa did write back to ask what I found that Alex Jones said that was not correct, and I told her what he had said and then what I had found when I went out and did some research.   She never responded.

I am curious if others have written and what the response has been.   

It does indeed seem like it is the same guests each week saying the exact same thing.

I just turn off when I hear Mish Shedlock or John Lott or Ed Dames or Katherine Albrecht or Richard Hoagland or Falkov etc.........

I swear they could just replay old clips of Shedlock and no one would notice any difference.    Embarassing.   

The Oates story brings up an interesting issue.    Some of these guests are not the ones you might want turning against you.   

I did hear the Steve Quayle show where he bailed out after Ian Punnet wanted to argue a little.    I thought it was too bad the network made (?) Ian Punnet apologize.   I do remember Ian Punnet also giving Jim Marrs some guff about the "transamerican highway" and Marrs got upset quickly and Punnet backed off.

Funny how some of these people can not take it when someone does not simply sit back and let them run on.

I thought the reason people liked Art Bell so much was because he did question the guests?

I have not heard very many old Art Bell shows.   Most of what I heard from him was after he lost his wife and remarried.

So on the old shows does he actually seem to doubt people like Strieber?

She is neither a physician (MD) nor a scholar (PhD).    Hence, she is no "doctor," unless she gave the honorific title to herself or got it from some magazine ad or weekend seminar. 

Anyone can call him or herself a doctor and type "DR." in front of a name.

But given her sale of health information/treatments she is clearly hoping people will think she is an actual physician.     That is the sick part of her work.

I know that not every story is totally nuts.   Do you think most people who listen to the show know that the more extreme guests (Strieber, Lear, Jones, Quayle, Dames) are either mentally ill or/and just selling a story/product?

It freaks me out to think that people may hear some of this stuff and be nodding their heads in agreement or thinking that the show is really attempting to put out real information.  I think a lot of people are pretty gullible and really do believe some of this paranoid stuff.

I have heard George's shows on and off for a few years, but have not heard very many of Art Bell's shows.    I can see even from the few shows I have heard that Art was willing to "question" or "disagree" with guests and I think that was good.     But honestly, his friendship and support for Strieber and Dame makes me wonder if he knows they are just sensationalists or if he honestly believes them, meaning he has his own mental issues?   Or do you think Art Bell just knows they are "good entertainment," sort of like a freak show at an old county fair?

I am not intending to insult anyone here, but just really wondering about all this.