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Quote from: Frys Girl on October 27, 2011, 07:11:57 PM
Avi,


Add to that the fact that a lot of women don't have enough self-worth to demand respect and unfortunately a lot of fathers don't teach their sons to be respectful. It's as if people have no idea how to relate to each other with basic caring and respect so they attempt to wing it and fail.


Not to get too technical, but when a woman has sex, she releases enzymes that are the same ones released during child birth and breast feeding. We bond when we do these things, and I can't think of a more stupid way of fighting nature than having multiple sex partners. It's devastating, no matter how much you've lost it.

Are you fing kidding? Really? EVERY scientist worth his salt KNOWS that the human race SURVIVED by having multiple sex partners. There is no debating this fact within the scientific community. None. ONLY in the religious community will you here people spout this drivel. There are tons of books on the subject, and those that AREN'T from a religious viewpoint ALL support the theory that humans are not meant to be monogamous. Just type into google Humans Are Not Made Monogamous and you'll see what i mean. Hell even typing into google "Humans are made to be Monogamous" brings up "humans are not made to be monogamous". Try it yourself. If you don't trust google, find some books on the subject.

Sorry avi,

we have a major difference of opinion. You must believe im violent, that i beat my daughter, and am misogynistic. I'm not. The fact is, women like sex. Women LOVE sex. If you talk to females, you will find that sex is something they love. So, why not get paid for it? All your points come from ONE viewpoint: Religious, which i don't agree with. If you were to think more realistically instead of theoretically, you would understand why "selling your body" really isn't something to get worked up about.
Lets address what you have said that i have said.
I did not say "all women are golddiggers". I do not believe this.

I did not say at ALL that violence against women is acceptable. Porn has nothing to do with violence. THAT is a mainstream religious viewpoint spouted by preachers in the southern US and has nothing to do with reality. CAN porn be violent? Hell yes. Can the porn lifestyle be voilent? Hell yes. Can driving a car in the street turn violent? Hell yes. Can driving a car period turn violent (crashing into things)? Hell yes. Am i still going to drive? Hell yes. Am i some violent person who beats my wife and daughter? No, and insinuating that i think that shows you dont know shit about me and if you're going to talk in such terms then you're really not worth debating with.

So, are you going to debate reasonably without resorting to ad hominems or defamation of character, or are you simply going to consider me a "vile scum bag" that "beats my kids and wife" and "thinks violent thoughts constantly" or are you going to consider that maybe i just have a different viewpoint and i like the shape of a female body in coitus? And oh, there are reasons i watch porn, other than me being violent. Just to put that out there. If you want to know why, you'll have to ask politely. Or hole up in your ivory tower thinking that your long winded rants make you "superior" to all other forms of life? Im ok with that.

Quote from: Avi on October 25, 2011, 02:29:56 AM
Er...why bother? But then, I have a real woman.

Of course, it seems as if many readers here do not have much exposure to the actual world of young people now. Sadly, the gross pornification seems to be influencing young women to an alarming degree. I first noticed it when my students held up Paris Hilton as an ideal. Her entree to fame was sex tapes posted online by so-called "boyfriends." No one asked, "How dare they do this?" but neither did they seem to realize how intoxicated and bored she was, even taking cell phone calls during sex (so I am told). Jenna Jameson is now held up as a mainstream "star," even though her response, when asked if she would allow her daughter to perform in the sex industry was an absolute no. Still, Dougie or her parents are pimping this Stodden girl along the phony 'sex-goddess' trajectory. Apparently, that's what young women are expected to do to gain "stardom," and increasingly, it's what all young women are expected to do (GGW? Jersey Shore?). It's difficult for me to take pleasure (or schadenfreude) in this girl's objectification. I still find it disgusting, especially because I see the effects on the young men, who come to despise women, while believing absolute untruths about them. The advantage to women is nil on both counts - be hated for refusing to comply or be hated for complying. Think of Pamela Anderson, a woman who had multiple plastic surgeries, who struggled to make and re-make her form, to remain acceptable. And what did she get? First Tommy Lee and then Kid Rock, an object lesson for sure.

Im still of the opinion that since paris and jersey shore can be held up as real "entertainment" than we might as well hail porn  as real "entertainment" as well. Hell, prostitution is one of THE OLDEST PROFESSIONS. BAR NONE. Eve probably said "you can only fuck me if you feed me". Done, prostitution  is born. Porn is another of those professions that just won't go away. Ever. People like to watch people have sex. Should they be having sex in public? No. But in the privacy of your own home, porn is a good substitute for sex if that option is not open. Seriously, im thinking that all the shootings that happen in the US and the constant rampages are because of our repressed yet very expressed desire (get that conundrum) for sex. On the one hand, we're told get sex as often as you can. On the other, you can't pay for it, so those who are socially awkward or just don't have the time to ferment a proper relationship are left in the dust. Society and its failings.

I really wish i had the time to write a proper reply to some of the points made here. They mostly agree with personal points i have, unfortunately im having posting issues at the moment. It constantly keeps giving me errors when i try to post.

Quote from: Treading Water on October 08, 2011, 09:19:38 AM
Too, too true.  If she IS only 16 and has been subjected to the jeers and taunts of her peers and the obvious manipulations of her stage-mother, maybe deep down there's just a little girl who wants to have a tea party or be invited to a real birthday party. 
I can't imagine a life where my appearance would be the sole total of who I am.  I'll skip that whatever happened story, too.

What? No 16 year in their right mind would want to "act like a little girl again". Sorry, times have changed. 16 year olds don't want to appear younger or have "tea parties". They WANT the adult experience. If you haven't read the news, teenagers are having sex, smoking and drinking younger and younger. Hell, girls are getting their first periods younger and younger. I know a girl who had her first one at 10. TEN. WTF. And you're asking these girls NOT to grow up, when they have to deal with grown up issues? No, it's either allow your kids to grow up, or keep them as "children" their entire teenage existence and have them explode as soon as they hit adult-hood. I've seen hundreds of examples of "sheltered" kids losing it as soon as they get some freedom from mom and dad.

Quote from: b_dubb on October 03, 2011, 08:24:19 PM
disgusting. I knew actors were stupid but fuck! how dim do you have to be to want to marry 16 yr old Britney wanna be

At least bang a 16 year old that DOESN'T look like she's 40. The only reason TO bang someone considerably younger than you is for looks.

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In my early 40s, and most women in their m 20s seem like dizzy teenagers to me. I'd get lonely spending an hour with one.

Oh, im slowly getting there myself. Not going to tell you how old i am but i am younger than you by at least a decade But i can still relate to girls in my 20s, no matter how much i have to "think dizzy talk".

Quote from: Flaxen Hegemony on September 27, 2011, 06:46:47 AM
The slight difference you note is magnified to me because I work primarily with people in the 18-25 age range, gender split 80/20 female. Occasionally socializing, but never mixing it with work interactions.  If the range was wider, the slight differences may not seem so apparent to me, but they are quite obvious, and consistent.  I can see changes in the same person from year to year.  They aren't seismic shifts in personality, of course, but just subtle differences suggesting that the person has figured out a little bit more about how this "life" thing works.  I'm certainly not suggesting it would be true for ANY 17 and 20 year old we sampled.  Individual differences account for a great deal.

I see your point. And i suppose that the drinking age being what it is in the US, there might be a gap between 18 and 21 that i might see if i was there. But yes, 18 and 22 year olds socialize all the time up here in the same areas. They have the same friends, drink at the same locations and go to college or work in the same locations. Yes, they are individuals. Yes, they grow differently. But the similarities between the group is just too large for me to really see a huge difference. This could also lead to a discussion on how the drinking age in the states is so corrupted and how the cases (per capita) of alcohol abuse/substance abuse in the US compared to canada are so damn high. Drinking age of 21? You're telling kids they're adults and can go die in wars and yet can't drink? HA. Oh im on a role with destroying how north american society thinks.

Quote from: Flaxen Hegemony on September 25, 2011, 09:36:42 PM
Dating younger women (20-22ish, not 17) is like living the movies "Memento" and "Limitless" at the same time.  At any given moment, you have absolutely no idea what the fuck she will do, but at the same time, you know the likely RESULT of anything she will do.  From my experiences, if this adorable and endearing stage of the human female life cycle doesn't end by 24-25, it never will, and rapidly becomes much less adorable and endearing by age... (mumble).

That said, I can't imagine Dougie here "connecting" with this girl using anything other than his willy.  51 and 17?  He's too old to keep up with her, and she's too young to communicate with him in any meaningful way.  A 17-year old and a 20-year old may both try to act more "adult", but are worlds apart in the ways they do it, and its effectiveness.  (For the psychologically inclined, I think the difference may be the 20 year old being in Formal Operations with both feet on the ground and the dust more settled, but that's just a hunch.)

I call BS on the 17-20 thing. That is something that has been pumped into our American society heads. I work with people as young 17 through to their 40s-50s. I see how a 17 year old acts and how a 20 year old acts. THEY ACT THE SAME WAY. One MIGHT have a LITTLE more maturity but you can't see it. It's not until 24-25 until you start seeing actual smart decision making going on. Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone. Trying to apply to a brush to everyone is, to me, fucking retarded. You need your head checked if you think applying a "law" to everyone will work. It doesn't. It won't. EVERYONE is different, something our government and our society has a REALLY hard time accepting. Yes, laws exist to protect us, but again, i think some of our laws relating to sexuality are fairly stupid and seem to apply only to the poor and not the super rich like this guy and girl. Why aren't they going to jail? This is illegal. If any of you tried this, you would be in jail. WHY isn't he? He's rich/wealthy. Only difference.

Quote from: Frys Girl on September 24, 2011, 11:16:15 AM
Aw, that implies that I have looks. Thanks


Honestly, this woman bothers me. She is on a dangerous path. I don't mean to judge or pretend like I know best, but coking and tanning like this is ridiculous.


It's fine to use your looks and body to get what you want. Lots of women and men do this, and they succeed immensely. However, she's not being smart about it. Also, the X-files Liver Eating guy is not the one to do with this, but I guess they got press and show for now.... so who knows.

The tanning and boob jobs annoy me as well. That fact is, what are parents always saying to their kids? "Grow up and act like an adult". The problem is, sex. We ask them to grow up and yet don't let them experience the entire adult spectrum of emotions. It's either grow up or keep our kids as kids. It's inherently hypocritical to ask our kids/teens to get jobs and help feed the family and yet not let them experience such things as sex. Anyways, end of rant i suppose.

Quote from: onan on September 18, 2011, 11:48:29 PM
Maybe it comes down to a paraphrase: I can't define an adult, but I know one when I see one.

I completely agree there is a major disconnect between the legality of drinking and the age one can enlist in the military.

I am also aware that we as parents get to decide when we teach our children about sex, but they decide when they will have sex.

I see a few patients a year that are in marriages where one spouse is significantly older. And as one may suspect sometimes it is an issue and other times it isn't an issue at all. But the younger the youngest one is in a relationship has a direct correlation to their lack of equality in that relationship. In some respects it is similar to a parent/child relationship. A person of 50 even if lacking maturity has a wealth of life experience that is missing from one of 16. Instead of having conversations there would more likely be teaching lessons. I do not see that as a healthy plan for a long term relationship.

Whether the legal age is 14, 16, or 18 it is still an age unprepared for an equal standing in a relationship with someone 3 times their age. Even so that doesn't make it illegal.

As to sex being sacred... that is a very complicated social value. You and I may not consider the christian aspect as important, but I promise you a vast majority of people in the USA do. And even in the supposed modern times we live in women are still held to a much higher standard of sexual behavior than their male counterparts. Yeah its a nuts world.

Totally agree with your statements. I'd even say it's now very hard to actually "protect" a child from sexual influences that are rife throughout our modern society. At every corner there are scantily clad girls and shirtless boys. Id say half of all commercials we see have some sort of sexual content, usually involving women. That includes radio and television. Even the movies have ads these days. And some parents don't seem to mind that a 6 year old is shaking her ass for the cameras. Some are even applauding it (toddlers and tiaras). That show seriously makes me want to vomit. I just feel so ashamed of those kids and very very angry at the parents who watch ( and thus fund ) and who participate in such things. You're making your daughter a sexual object, no matter if you try and deny or ignore it. At that age, that is disgusting to say the least. You're right about relationships in that the younger-older thing doesn't really work for half the people that try it. For the other half though, it does work, so why can't we let them be happy? I guess we can discourage but that is just being self-righteous and arrogant/ignorant in my opinion.

Quote from: onan on September 16, 2011, 07:53:40 PM
I am all for consenting adults doing pretty much anything that doesnt hurt another.

But we make people take a test to drive, we make them insure the vehicle they drive. We make them carry a license and also license the vehicle they drive.

We are a little more carefree with alcohol, but there are laws restricting public drinking, public intoxication, and god forbid one gets caught under the influence. And the legal age is 18 to 21 depending on your state.

But sex, not so much as a double take unless one is a minor, AND a parent gives a shit. I have seen a 14 year old after just giving birth fending off her amorous boy friend of 20. With the parent in the room.

I do not know everything but some things do need regulation. Doug has married a 16 year old by his report. If that 16 year old was my daughter, Dougie and I would be having a discussion... if you follow my intent.

This brings up the very real and very dangerous discussion of what exactly is an "adult". Are we to assume one is adult enough to join the military at 16 (at least out here) and yet can't have sex with who they want? In europe, 16 is prettymuch the legal drinking age for most countries, if they even have one. Driving? Hell people can drive at 14 in some parts. Now don't get me wrong. I personally wouldn't condone my daughter having sex at 14. But 16? She can pretty well do everything else (but drink, and even then i wouldn't care if she did drink, just not too massive excess) and with all the divorces, screwed up marriages and other crap going on with ADULT relationships, i'd be happy if she found someone who she actually "loved" (albeit for a brief period), just as long as i knew she wasn't being taken advantage of. Even then id say go for it and get all the money you can from the old bugger A lot of people don't have as open a mind as i have though, and are still hung up on the christian view of sex as being "sacred" or something that can "hurt" someone.

Quote from: anagrammy on June 22, 2011, 12:39:29 PM
OK.  The interesting thing turns out to be where do we draw the line between minding-your-own-business and behavior we need to control?  We all get that a sixteen year old can say whether she's being exploited or not, but why do we set the age of consent higher in this country?

Do we object only when it adversely affects all of us, like littering or air pollution?  In that case, we are saying that the ability to stop conceiving children, or killing them before they are born, allows us to stop protecting sixteen year olds from decisions they don't recognize could harm them later in life.   Does it matter?

China's ability to control reproductive choice on gender has resulted in their population choosing widely that a boy was more desirable than a girl.  This is causing huge problems in China AND Japan where large numbers of mateless teenage males travel in packs loitering in train stations and committing crimes.

See, now it gets interesting.  It certainly would benefit their societies if these rootless hormonal males did something to contribute to society.  Oh, I know, they could care for the burgeoning elderly population--scratch that, they have designed robots for that.  And robots for their sexual needs as well.  Any of this create a problem for you?  For China or Japan?

Interesting world, eh?

Anagrammy

IMHO control over ANYTHING sexually consensual is BULLSHIT. And i say consensual because I know people have VERY weird tastes. And yet we let people drink and kill themselves, smoke and kill themselves, drive recklessly and kill themselves and yet we won't let people do what they want in the bedroom. Huh. Hypocrisy at it's best.

I also loved the crazies that got through. The witches, the demons, the UFO fanatics... they were interesting people to hear from. The news media likes to dilute everything down to one side or the other. We very rarely get to hear an "outside" opinion any more. It may seem crazy but there are a few crazy things that have been said that have come true in the past.

Id agree with this. Too many conservative commentators polluting the airwaves with hate-speech now. We need something to force both sides into the middle and actually have a conversation about green energy NOT global-warming/climate change. There are many people who feel that both "sides" of the green conversation have corrupted what being "green" actually means. Moderate Conservatives, in my experience, have a problem with "green" because it means an automatic tax increase and more government control which is not the case. Moderate Liberals have little problem with "green" being an individual choice, but their voices are always drowned out by the Extreme Liberals and their views of "global-warming green".  It would be an interesting perspective to get these two parties together talking about what they do.

I've been perusing the forums for a bit and have come to a conclusion:
I shouldn't start listening to Coast to Coast again. I was never a fan of Norey when he took over. I think there was only one other host of C2C that i liked (besides Art) and i can't even remember his name. Anyway, I was just curious about what you guys would consider the Golden/Glory days of Coast to Coast? I'd have to say sometime in the late 90s, when Art fully met his stride and was on Coast to Coast and Dreamland mostly fulltime. Open lines was mostly fun and the guests pretty good as well. I can't remember specifics but i do remember it being far better than it probably is now. 

I was reading through your forums and they seem to be active and the members concise and helpful. I was wondering if any of you old C2C Am'rs could help me out with a call that Art Bell had way back in the 90s. The timeline would have to be somewhere between 1996-1998. The timing would have to have been sometime in October/November/December. Starting to get colder outside, the days starting to get shorter and darker. I believe it was one of Arts open line segments and it may well have been Dreamland. It was maybe in the second/third hour when this guy called and had a "story" to tell. Pretty sure it wasn't a true story but the gist of it was something to do with a Sheriff and his son. The sheriff ends up getting involved in a bunch of murders and finds out it's his son or something to that effect. The way the caller was talking made the story SO much better than i could possibly describe here. If i could JUST find that call, my search would be complete and i would be happy. In advance, THANK you for your help, and sorry if you guys get bothered by having these types of requests all the time.